this is the initial conversation we had when i reconfronted him 2 years later, its a LONG read, but basically, he agrees to pay me 995$ i'm sorry not 955$, it's been a long time obviously, this is dated 11/13/03
TriadBst7: Hey scott
TriadBst7: its Howard
TriadBst7: You really don't remember me?
scottmac565: honestly, no
scottmac565: I do recall the email address tho, as I said in the email
TriadBst7: remember the Mbx4? remote control car?
scottmac565: the what?
TriadBst7: here i'll forward an e-mail to you to refresh your memory
scottmac565: ok, please do. Because your email scared the @!#$ out of me cause I have NO clue whats going on
TriadBst7: well is your brother home?
scottmac565: I havent talk to him in a LONG time
TriadBst7: why is that?
scottmac565: ever since I started to get better, supposdely they gave me more attention
scottmac565: so he ran away or something
scottmac565: that was like a month ago, he'll be back sometime, I hope
TriadBst7: i c...
TriadBst7: basically if you are telling the truth
TriadBst7: you ripped me off before your accident
scottmac565: I ripped you off?
scottmac565: or who
scottmac565: ripped what off
TriadBst7: you ripped me off
scottmac565: please explain, like I said I have lost a lot of memory from the past
TriadBst7: you know what remote control cars are?
TriadBst7: well you used to be really into them
scottmac565: I was
TriadBst7: i had a Mbx4 with sevos, motor, acessories, starter etc.
TriadBst7: it was for sale
TriadBst7: you contcted me and said that you would trade a laptop for it
TriadBst7: i sent it
scottmac565: yes, I remember my lappy
TriadBst7: u said it was uneven, and i offfered to send a 135& cell phonme to compensate
TriadBst7: then you said you had no money to sent it, so i sent 85 dollars
TriadBst7: and then you said u moved to california
TriadBst7: and basically you disapeared
TriadBst7: not a word
scottmac565: who said that
TriadBst7: you did, i have the e-mail to prove it
TriadBst7: you were definently not a good person as your former self
scottmac565: im sorry?
scottmac565: I dont recall any of these
scottmac565: not saying I dont beleive you
TriadBst7: i am forwarding e-mails as we speak
scottmac565: im very gullbile right now
TriadBst7: u can get teh basic jist of it
scottmac565: from what happened in the past
TriadBst7: none of what i'm saying is a lie
scottmac565: I only remember some things
TriadBst7: do you see the forwarded e-mails?
scottmac565: I got 3 of them
scottmac565: but only one showed typing
scottmac565: like one actully showed up
TriadBst7: which one?
scottmac565: the other were blank
TriadBst7: paste it here
scottmac565: the very first one
TriadBst7: paste it, and i will paste the other 2 in the im box
scottmac565: it as the one talkinga bout car payment and insurance
TriadBst7: please paste it
scottmac565: ok sorry
scottmac565: dude I cant get 775 bux that fast I have other expenses too I have to pay for my car insurance MY car gas ETC and I barely work
GO ON AOL now if u can
TriadBst7: basically the Mbx4? do u remember that model car?
TriadBst7: it is one of the best buggies ever made
TriadBst7: the kit itself consists of only the chassis is 600 dollars
scottmac565: thats a lot of money
TriadBst7: my mbx4 had a motor, a futaba pcm, servos, many many acessories
TriadBst7: i spent about 1500 on it
TriadBst7: scott if this is not one of your charades then i'm sorry for putting you through this
TriadBst7: the simple fact is
TriadBst7: you owe me about 995$
TriadBst7: if u r telling the truth then i may understand your predicament
scottmac565: right now?
TriadBst7: 775+ 135 cell phone+ 85
scottmac565: howard, I beleive what you are saying, you seem like a nice guy
scottmac565: but if you are pulling my leg please stop
scottmac565: cause I have no clue
scottmac565: what happened
TriadBst7: i am not pulling your legs
TriadBst7: i'm extremely serious
scottmac565: im no doubting you one bit, bu tlike I said, if this is a joke, then this is like stealing money from a 5 year old
TriadBst7: i am not stealing at all
TriadBst7: look at the forwarded e-mails
TriadBst7: it is YOUR address
scottmac565: I did
scottmac565: I know, thats why im getting skeptical
TriadBst7: at the bottom of everyone is Scott
scottmac565: cause yes I could have sent those ( no clue if I did or didnt )
scottmac565: or you could have put that in tehre
TriadBst7: they are dated
scottmac565: I know it sounds stupid, but it can be done
TriadBst7: if i put them in they would have been done 2 years ago
TriadBst7: i have witnesses/friends who know you
scottmac565: they know me
TriadBst7: yes they have spoken to you and know what you did to me
TriadBst7: is your girlfriend at home?
scottmac565: my g/f left me
TriadBst7: that is a lie
scottmac565: no its not
TriadBst7: from a very reliable source, your girlfriend paid off your last ripoff
TriadBst7: regarding a front bumper
scottmac565: that was my friend ben
scottmac565: his g/f
TriadBst7: ok well why did she pay it off?
TriadBst7: and why did you rip the guy off?
scottmac565: because I tried to get mony from paypal, it it was supposed to take 3-4 days to get money from the bank ( I didnt know that )
scottmac565: so I asked him to do it, but he didnt have enough in his account either, but anglea did
scottmac565: so they used her account
TriadBst7: why did you rip the guy off?
scottmac565: so I paid him cash
scottmac565: I didnt, you can even ask ben
TriadBst7: well the issue lasted around 4 weeks
scottmac565: he sent me the bumper, since I needed it, so I got it, took my bumper off
TriadBst7: 4 weeks is a long time
TriadBst7: 4 -6 weeks around there
scottmac565: yea, the fact taht my orginal bumper got broke
scottmac565: so I had to find another
scottmac565: which I did
scottmac565: but then I decided I would just send money
TriadBst7: also why would you have him send it to the incorrect address?
TriadBst7: u live at 617 do u not? not 648
TriadBst7: random lake wis.
TriadBst7: u had it sent to a scott and pam's house
TriadBst7: not your house under the name paul d. machin
scottmac565: paul machin is my uncle
scottmac565: pam is my mother
scottmac565: scott is my step dad
TriadBst7: Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:42:28 -0000
From: Scott Machin
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Subject: Re: hey
it has pIII 800 mhz 128 MB ram 15 gig 8X dvd windows 98 1 yr parts an
warrenty batt. charger and case thats all he sent me but he said there is
more so i really dont know anything else YET
>From: Howard Wu <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>To: Scott Machin
>Subject: Re: hey
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 05:52:32 -0800 (PST)
>Send a cool gift with your E-Card
scottmac565: scott jurgilanis
TriadBst7: is that ur laptop?
TriadBst7: i belive its a compaq
scottmac565: wow, huh what
TriadBst7: this was the laptop that was supposed to be mine
TriadBst7: the one u were supposed to send
scottmac565: yes I had a laptop
TriadBst7: are these the specifications?
scottmac565: I have no clue, howard please remember I dont remember somethings
scottmac565: a lot of things actully from what my old friends tell me
TriadBst7: TriadBst7: guess who i found
StR8UpLaya3: the mugen thief
TriadBst7: that is my friend
TriadBst7: u should consult him, he remmber u well
TriadBst7: ur old aim name was nitroscott16
TriadBst7: is that correct?
scottmac565: prolly? I dunno dude
TriadBst7: it is
TriadBst7: scott there is no lying in what i say
TriadBst7: basically what is going to happen is this
scottmac565: im not saying that you are
TriadBst7: good well
TriadBst7: i will give you 2 days to recollect yourself
TriadBst7: if i do not hear from you in 2 days
scottmac565: what do yo mean
TriadBst7: i will call your local sheriff's department
scottmac565: I added you to my list
TriadBst7: your list?
scottmac565: buddy list thing
scottmac565: if this all happened, im not out to screw you howard
scottmac565: if you ask any of my friends, im not like that
TriadBst7: well that is possible
TriadBst7: what happend was, ur brother austin or dustin i belive?
TriadBst7: claimed that he would carry out sending the latop and such
TriadBst7: and he nver did either
TriadBst7: and he always eluded to the fact that you moved to california
TriadBst7: you (whole family)
scottmac565: and if I was like that back then, I dont recall taht I was, austin is a homo
TriadBst7: yes you could say that
TriadBst7: although austin may have commited the crime...
scottmac565: but I know for a fact that I am not like that now!
TriadBst7: you although are still the one who owes me the money
scottmac565: so please reassure yourself on that
scottmac565: im not saying that I dont, right?
TriadBst7: good but there is still 995$ that i am missing or 1500$ worht of goods
TriadBst7: u sound quite like urself when u said in the e-mail ur "not like that" meaning you wouldn't screw me
scottmac565: howard, I went through a life change thing. trust me
scottmac565: I have better things to do than dealing with this the rest of my life!
TriadBst7: ok fine
scottmac565: you there?
TriadBst7: but the fact is you OWE me 995$
scottmac565: yes I know
TriadBst7: not owe, more like to balance it
TriadBst7: i had to save up for 2 years when i was young to purchase the remot control car
TriadBst7: i wait half a year for u to send the laptop
TriadBst7: nothing happened
TriadBst7: i am holding my composure quite well
TriadBst7: now the issue of 995$ needs to be resolved this week
scottmac565: ah yes, I have a money tree in the backyard
TriadBst7: or this weeke i will contact ur sheriff's department
TriadBst7: i do not care where you get it
TriadBst7: i know you have money
scottmac565: well, I have one question
TriadBst7: i have seen your cavalier
scottmac565: I have money?
scottmac565: are u sure you seen MY cavy?
TriadBst7: enough to invest in a expensive hobby sucha s cars
RKsport cold air intake
2.3 H.0 cams
RKsport plug boots
Zex wet 75 shot w/ purge
RKsport upper and lower engine mounts
RKsport dual cat-back
catco highflow cat
Front Strut bar
Front sub frame brace
Rear Strut bar
rear sway bar
Eibach pro-kit lowering springs
vinyl wrapped dash
vinyl wrapped doors
vinyl wrapped consel
vinyl custom made shift boot
konig racing seats wrapped in leather
rear seat wrapped in leather
matrix silver 5 point harnesses
painted plastic peices
silver carpet ( next week ) silver headliner
red sun visors
red moonroof ventshade
Rksport import fighter front
wings west shark wing
red rip graphics
Red Streetglow under bodies
Sreetglow white head/tail light strobes
2 explod amps ( I know )
soon to be front and rear speakers replaced
painted mirrors 20% tint
scottmac565: hey bud, im sponsored
scottmac565: I bought the car
scottmac565: and maybe put about 400 in mods in it
scottmac565: the rest was free
TriadBst7: i really do not care right now
TriadBst7: all i know is
TriadBst7: 2 years ago you got away with 2 years of my hard-earned life
TriadBst7: i know u worked at a dealer ship
TriadBst7: i know u must have at least some money
TriadBst7: ur father owned a store
TriadBst7: i am offering you a life line
scottmac565: sounds like who wants to be a millionare
TriadBst7: internet fraud regarding merchandise over 500$ is a sever crime
scottmac565: sorry I had to break in some humor
TriadBst7: 995$ is not funny
TriadBst7: i'm not joking
scottmac565: no nono
scottmac565: I wasnt saying THIS is funny
scottmac565: I was just sayin the life line thing..sorry
TriadBst7: its alrite
TriadBst7: tell me
TriadBst7: what do you want to do
scottmac565: what do you mean
TriadBst7: your option is to pay me 995$ back, or to be confronted by the sheboygan police department
TriadBst7: i know u can sell something or pull something together
scottmac565: yea I can
scottmac565: put do that in what 4 days
scottmac565: kinda hard to sell something that fast
scottmac565: you know what I mean
TriadBst7: i understanf
TriadBst7: when do you think that you will have the amount of money by?
scottmac565: I cant say EXACTLY
scottmac565: but I can say that I can get some!
scottmac565: if that helps any
TriadBst7: will it eventually be 995?
scottmac565: last week I just paid for my tuition
TriadBst7: that's good
scottmac565: I knew I should have waited a extra 2 weeks on paying that
TriadBst7: well paying for your education i can understand
TriadBst7: if you are truly being sincere...
scottmac565: you can check if you like
TriadBst7: i can tell you this
TriadBst7: its somewhat good you had a car crash, you would have hated your former self
scottmac565: I was that bad?
TriadBst7: you were able to procrastinate going to the post office to send something out for 6 months and eventually trick me to belive you moved to california
scottmac565: wow, I really was a peice of @!#$ wasnt I
TriadBst7: it doesn't matter what you were
scottmac565: thats what I get for being spoiled
TriadBst7: it only matters what you are now
scottmac565: I live up to my words, I dont like people hating me an such
TriadBst7: didn't your car crash involve a trans am?
TriadBst7: isn't that what you crashed?
scottmac565: I dunno, I can check tho
scottmac565: we have tons of pictures
scottmac565: but im to affriad to look at them
TriadBst7: well that's what your brother told me at least
scottmac565: oh, then it prolly was
scottmac565: but hes still a homo
TriadBst7: i have no doubt that he is, he is partially responsible for your predicament
scottmac565: that lil @!#$, now I hope he doesnt come back
TriadBst7: i understand how you feel, but i have a brother of my own, and you can't hate family
TriadBst7: family is forever
scottmac565: unfortuently yes I guess
TriadBst7: so basically what is your plan to pay me back?
scottmac565: well my question to you is, what can I do!
TriadBst7: just pay me back, you owe it to your former self, prove that that was your original intention
scottmac565: well yes I will pay you back NO doubt!
scottmac565: but I cant just whip out a wad of cash I dont have
TriadBst7: pull it together, borrow some, sell some things... make a plan
TriadBst7: and give me a reasonable date
scottmac565: yes that is what I am going to try to do
scottmac565: my friend does owe be 500 for my kcikers
TriadBst7: well that is a very good start
scottmac565: so thats some right there
TriadBst7: now all you need is 455 more
scottmac565: I cant get really give you a date, casue what happens if u dont have it in full by taht date?
scottmac565: then I will be in @!#$ again
TriadBst7: well think right now of how long you think it would take for your friend to pay you back and in turn get 455 $
scottmac565: he said he gets his paycheck next week
scottmac565: and I get half of that
scottmac565: so tahts 250 right there
scottmac565: then I can sell some stuff
scottmac565: to get like 455
scottmac565: then he can give me the other 250
TriadBst7: so that is about 2-3 weeks?
scottmac565: depends on how long it takes me to sell my stuff
scottmac565: tahts one major factor
TriadBst7: that is true
scottmac565: my friend he has money
scottmac565: he lives off every paycheck
scottmac565: and he has bought stuff off of me before
scottmac565: so he pays me on time
TriadBst7: that is good
TriadBst7: do you wish to pay it all at once
TriadBst7: or do you want to make payments?
scottmac565: is payments ok?
TriadBst7: yes within a reasonable amount each time
TriadBst7: is it possible for 250 every week for 4 weeks and letting the last payment be 205?
scottmac565: thats very hard to do
scottmac565: I get 300 bux a week for work
scottmac565: about 1/2 that goes towards bills
TriadBst7: thats' almost 1500 a month
scottmac565: and jason does owe me that 500
TriadBst7: that's 2000 this month
scottmac565: like I said
scottmac565: get like 1/4 of that check
TriadBst7: fine but you are still selling stugg
scottmac565: yea I am
scottmac565: or going to try too
TriadBst7: so 955- 500, 455 is possible in one month
scottmac565: I have my body kit on there right now
scottmac565: which is 550
scottmac565: I jut need someone to snatch that
scottmac565: you know what I mean
TriadBst7: and you could be done in even less than a month if that goes through
scottmac565: I just need someone to but it
TriadBst7: as long as you are accumulating the amount of money
TriadBst7: i will trust you
TriadBst7: keep me informed
scottmac565: yea, I will give you my cell # if you like
TriadBst7: keep me up to date on how much money you have accumulated
scottmac565: just if you call, dont thin I am cutting you short, its just the fact that IL is long distance and I get like MAJOR charge for that
scottmac565: 920 946 2047
TriadBst7: again you know my e-mail?
TriadBst7: i guess that would be an easier way
scottmac565: killerangel one?
scottmac565: or the other
TriadBst7: so when do you think the first payment can be sent?
TriadBst7: the other
scottmac565: once I get the money I will definitly tell you
scottmac565: and im sure I will see you on here a lot ? correct?
scottmac565: so I could always keep you posted on here?
TriadBst7: yes that is possible too
TriadBst7: so when do you think the first payment can be made?
scottmac565: not exactly sure
scottmac565: but not THAT long
TriadBst7: by next weekend?
scottmac565: I could try my hardest
TriadBst7: ok that sounds good
TriadBst7: you truly sound sincere about this
scottmac565: yes, I live up to my words
TriadBst7: 429 anjou dr.northbrook, IL 60062
TriadBst7: that i s my address
TriadBst7: i'll fix it one second
scottmac565: can you please send it to me in an email
TriadBst7: scott are you telling me the sincere truth?
TriadBst7: so if lie about any of this i can use it against you
TriadBst7: so if i find out that you are lying about any of this then i can use it against you?
scottmac565: you wont have too
TriadBst7: but if you are, can i?
scottmac565: why do u have to ask?
TriadBst7: do you know who Gary Sounder is?
TriadBst7: oops i mean Gary fielder
TriadBst7: he works for the Sounder
scottmac565: the sounder as in my local paper the sounder
TriadBst7: i talked to him and he told me that there was no such accident ever recorded
scottmac565: what about his
scottmac565: I dunno
TriadBst7: so there was no accident and hence no memory loss?
scottmac565: actully there was
scottmac565: sorry to put you down?
TriadBst7: your positive, absolutley sure?
TriadBst7: i could call your father and ask him and he would say yes?
scottmac565: I know that I was in a accdent
scottmac565: lol, your going to bring him into it
scottmac565: I was in an accident
TriadBst7: an automobile accident that rendered memory loss?
scottmac565: call a hospital any hospital
scottmac565: if you hit yor head hard enough it can happen
TriadBst7: no i'm asking is that what happened to you
scottmac565: yes, I dont remeber much about my past
TriadBst7: ok scott
TriadBst7: i will trust you once more
TriadBst7: although i have been told that you are quite teh con-artist
TriadBst7: and that u have not been in a car accident
scottmac565: I havnt
TriadBst7: i think i may be making a mistake by trusting you once more
scottmac565: wow, shows how much people know
TriadBst7: but if 250 is not sent to me by the next weekend then i will contact the sheboygan police department
scottmac565: howard whats up with the all of a sudden turn?
TriadBst7: do i have your solemn word that you have spoken the whole truth throughout this conversation?
scottmac565: now your acting werid
TriadBst7: 995$ wasn't easy money when i was a kid, i saved up every week
scottmac565: if you dont trust me, so be it
TriadBst7: i am not about to screwed again
scottmac565: there is nothing I can do
scottmac565: if you want to take me to court
scottmac565: so be it
scottmac565: I was trying to work this out by myself
TriadBst7: you just said that you will pay me back
scottmac565: even tho I dont rememeber it
TriadBst7: so i will let you
TriadBst7: that's all i am saying
scottmac565: well now your talking all retarded
TriadBst7: i'm jsut making sure
scottmac565: 250 by next weekend
scottmac565: I just told you before
scottmac565: I would get it asap
scottmac565: and u said that was fine
scottmac565: now your saying next weekend and threatening me
scottmac565: if you want to take me to court, go for it
TriadBst7: alrite, i'm sorry its just 2 years of rage
scottmac565: I have the best lawyer in WI
scottmac565: skip langley
TriadBst7: scott just pay me back like we discussed
TriadBst7: now your talking wierd
scottmac565: well your the one that started to get all pushy
scottmac565: and saying @!#$
TriadBst7: i am sorry for that
scottmac565: like asking me aobut the sounder guy
TriadBst7: u msut understand i've been waiting 2 years
scottmac565: and accusing me of lying!
TriadBst7: sorry but the man i asked about ur memeory loss told me he checked up on that and he found nothing
TriadBst7: so i thought u were playing into your old self
scottmac565: ah yes, I just make up something like that out of no where
TriadBst7: are you angry?
scottmac565: well yea, you accuse me of lying about my memory lose
scottmac565: its like you are kinda making fun of me
scottmac565: u know how good that makes me feel
TriadBst7: i'm sorry about your accident scott
TriadBst7: i knew it was tragic
TriadBst7: but the truth is, this is exactly what your old self would tell me
scottmac565: well you certainly dont act like it
TriadBst7: that's how bad you were
TriadBst7: u told me you moved to california for god's sake
scottmac565: you ask some gary guy taht prolly doesnt even know who I am
scottmac565: or what happened to me
TriadBst7: fine i'm sorry i jumped the gun
TriadBst7: i can see that you are a much greater person now
scottmac565: well u must not think so if you are asking me if I am lying?
scottmac565: or if I know a gary fighter or whatever you said
TriadBst7: like i said, that is exactly what you would say before the crash
scottmac565: what do you mean
TriadBst7: you were a pretty bad guy
scottmac565: im sorry,
scottmac565: and I have changed I know that from people tell me
TriadBst7: its ok, the past doesn't matter, its what you do with your life now
scottmac565: but now you are just accusing me
scottmac565: and threating me with the sounder guy and whoever else
TriadBst7: i am truly sorry then
TriadBst7: keep me posted and talk to me
TriadBst7: i have to go to sleep now
scottmac565: wekk gesh
scottmac565: what is it now
scottmac565: next weekend or what
TriadBst7: next weekend would be good
scottmac565: well are you goin to threat'n me with it?
TriadBst7: nope, i don't have to, you really seem to be the great guy that you say you are
TriadBst7: I trust you
TriadBst7: are we ok now?
scottmac565: but just 3 min ago you said
scottmac565: I dont know if I should trust you again
scottmac565: you are quite the con-artist
scottmac565: that makes me feel SOO good about myself!
TriadBst7: you WERE scott, not now
scottmac565: but why did u you have to bring it up?
scottmac565: just curious
TriadBst7: once you make the first payment i can truly see that you are a great guy
TriadBst7: because, you screwed me so bad
TriadBst7: you know 995$ is a lot of money
scottmac565: your telling me
TriadBst7: not even 995$
scottmac565: I gotta come up with it
TriadBst7: 1500$ worth of stuff
scottmac565: and its from a past I dont remember
scottmac565: think about that one!
scottmac565: step in my shoes for 2 seconds
TriadBst7: i know, but the fact that you have agreed to paying it back is proof enough
TriadBst7: well i'm going to go to sleep
TriadBst7: so just keep in touch
scottmac565: ok, talk to you tomorrow
TriadBst7: thank you for paying me back i guess
TriadBst7: you really are a great guy
TriadBst7: e-mail me when you have a plan or when your friend has paid you back
TriadBst7: good night
scottmac565: I will just talk to you on here
scottmac565: u puttz
scottmac565: means dork
TriadBst7: o ok