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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:12 AM
I think the Reatta and Allante shared a platform with each other but not with the Fiero. They were both bigger and had the engine in the front, didn't they? I could be wrong though.

And the J platform doesn't count just because it was held over for a year. hehe. It's only "pontiac exclusive" because they stopped making the Chevy a few months earlier.
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:22 AM
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The only platform used exclusively for Pontiac is the J-car platform.


Cavalier? Cimarron? Skyhawk?

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And the last Pontiac-specific latform wasn't the Fiero. The Buick Reatta and Cadillac Allante were on the same platform, if I remember correctly.


The Buick Reatta and Cadillac Allanté a two seater roadsters based losely off of the E-Body Platform.

The Fiero was a car made up from parts from the T-Body and the X-Body.

The Buick Reatta and Cadillac Allanté where both modified from existing platforms.

The Fiero was designed by Hulki Aldikacti

So, no they are not the same car.



R.I.P Sunfire

Good news is al lof use J-bodies will slowly become more and more rare as the everyday ones are crashed, smashed, and sold off for newer cars.


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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:41 AM
A.15 wrote:

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The only platform used exclusively for Pontiac is the J-car platform.


Cavalier? Cimarron? Skyhawk?



I think he's referring to right this moment. Right now, the J-Car platform is Pontiac specific. Technically. Since all the others are officially done with.
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:40 AM
A.15 wrote:


True, didn't think about that. I know that Pontiac will never have there own platforms but they should be the performance brand of GM

Chevy = Everyday
Pontiac = Performace
Buick = Up Scale
GMC = Work/Industrial
Caddy = Luxury
Saturn = Economy


This how GM is slotting them now:
From lowest to the top
Chevrolet: Basic every day car
Pontiac: Performance oriented line up from Chevy
Saturn: Took over Oldsmoble as mid grade
Buick: America's Lexus (according to Lutz)
Cadillac: Tops in GM's lineup

Also GM advertises as GMC as higher level then Chevy with "Professional Grade" and their Denali lineup.

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Good news is al lof use J-bodies will slowly become more and more rare as the everyday ones are crashed, smashed, and sold off for newer cars.

When I read that, damn I got . Even though it is true.

I love the Sunfire, hey I have 2. I loved the styling (mini T/A), performance, above average reliability. I never cared for the styling of the 2003-05 since that was one of many reason headed for a 02 GT.
Either or it is still a Sunfire, and it will be missed. Got to admit Sunfire was and is unique.

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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:49 AM
I think they're dreaming if they think Buick will compete directly with Lexus!

Buick is the poor man's Cadillac.

Lexus is positioned to compete directly with BMW and Mercedes, not with Buick. Toyota will target Cadillac with the Lexus. If GM is countering with a Buick, they've already lost. It just sounds like they're underestimating Lexus and underestimating anything from Toyota will be a very costly mistake.

Buick has it's place, but it's certainly not as the Lexus killer.
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:27 PM
^^^
Lutz and GM says "America's Lexus " on Buick. Because of the level of refinement ie "Queit tuning."
Also Lesabre is being killed and Luceme will brought in (watch NY Autoshow). Also GM wanted a little 2+2 convertible like the SC430 on the kappa platform.
But this week GM said they will slow down the expansion of the kappa platform. So we will have to wait and see how GM will go about Buick being America's Lexus.

Ya i think its far reached too.
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:42 PM
I think they should keep moving Cadillac in the direction they've been going... as a BMW killer... which will also take on Lexus and MB... and then use Buick to compete directly with Lincoln.

Not only would they be able to keep moving Cadillac more upscale... you can bet that Ford would really get a kick in the teeth having their top luxury brand reduced to Buick competition.

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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:33 PM
GM and Pontiac are in the perfect position now to unleash an import killing sport compact into the market. There are no plans right now for a new entry level car. And if Bob Lutz has any kind of sense in his head (and I think he's got alot actually) He'll take a year or so to plan something out.

I personally would like to see something that could blow an RSX-S out of the water. It won't be hard to do if Pontiac takes their time and plans accordingly.

I think they should take something the same size as a Sunfire. Throw the 2.4L ECOTEC supercharged motor in it. Only put an intercooler on it, and turn the boost up a little more. IRS, 4 wheel disc and a low, mean, aggresive profile.

And market the damn thing to 18-35 year olds. I bet it would sell like crazy.

That's it, i'm taking over Pontiac. <br>



Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:17 PM
Buick is an old persons car and GM would be smart to can them much like they did the worthless oldsmobile line

The supercharged motor is actually a 2.0, the 2.4 eco with the vvt would never be good for boosting due to it having a compression ratio way too high to begin with <br>


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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:04 PM
Buick wasn't always an old persons car though. They could revive it with enough effort.

And hell... they're big sellers in China.
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:42 PM
This is good news, time to start clean with a new car that will not be associated with the Sunfire name. <br>




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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:46 PM
I agree with Pontiac being the performance brand of GM, and i like the idea of having a pontiac exclusive car. Something small, mean and safe. Since when does a puni car need a 4 cyl. why not go bigger?? WHY not come out with a small platform that has a 6 spd and that 200hp 3500 V6 in the new malibus?? But yeah GM definately needs a 6 spd in their smaller cars...i love the gearing in my z24, but when i drive 130(km/h) i am running 3500pms...i think a 6th gear ontop of that would be incredible....


Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:51 PM
hey! i have one of those! <br>

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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:08 PM
good ridance
Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:28 PM
Ryan Magladry wrote:

I agree with Pontiac being the performance brand of GM, and i like the idea of having a pontiac exclusive car. Something small, mean and safe. Since when does a puni car need a 4 cyl. why not go bigger?? WHY not come out with a small platform that has a 6 spd and that 200hp 3500 V6 in the new malibus?? But yeah GM definately needs a 6 spd in their smaller cars...i love the gearing in my z24, but when i drive 130(km/h) i am running 3500pms...i think a 6th gear ontop of that would be incredible....


On most cars with a 6-speed gearbox, their 6th gear is roughly equivilent to our 5th. The 6th gear isn't to let them cruise at higher speeds. It's to allow them to have all their gears closer spaced to better keep them square in the power band.
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:44 PM
Did you join just to come in here and cause trouble Vincent?? Go take your neon somewhere else. <br>



Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:57 PM
hmm.... does that mean i should start hoarding them...... i have a 02 and a 03 now.. maybe go pick up a 04 real cheap.. then wait till next winter and buy some poor forgotten 05 thsts still hangin around?

i need a bigger driveway....

seriously though... i'll miss them.. but im kinda glad... this only means better things are comming ...

the org is still growing too... so that shows we will still be here long after gm kills the j off...

as long as the org is still here i'm happy <br>


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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:45 PM



Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:35 AM
Wild Wiesel...Don't you find that in 5th at higher speeds our cars are revving way to high?...Even my dads saturn at 120 revs at about 2700 compared to my 3500...i just find it kinda of high...but i love the gearing...so they couldn't keep all those gears and throw a much lower 6th gear in it...strictly for the purpose of cruising over 100km/h?....


Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:24 AM
damn i'm sad now <br>

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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:30 AM
I believe they set up the gearing to be most efficient at around 100 km/h or so. Maybe 110 km/h.

So as I said... if we had a 6-speed it would still be set to cruise at around the same rpm that they deem efficient for the engine.

They COULD keep the gears the same and throw another overdrive gear on... but they wouldn't. For most people it would be a waste and a 6-speed is made for better performance.

Note that when driving around the city between 60 and 80 km/h or so, you generally drive in 4th gear. If you were driving a 6-speed RSX, you'd be in 5th. See what I'm getting at?
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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:41 PM
So does this mean they will produce new ones from the factory through June? Because I am going to order an 05 that will have to be produced and shipped in mid-March. I can't wait to have it!!! The org will never go away, I will have that 'fire for at least 5 years....

Sad to see you go Sunfire...

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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Friday, January 28, 2005 2:35 AM
Wild Weasel wrote:


What's funny is that while Pontiac in the US is going in the right direction, GM Canada has thus far not announced a GTP version of the Pursuit. Hell, there's no coupe so far as I know as of yet. I'm really hoping they announce both at next month's Toronto Auto Show. It would seem like blasphemy when the platform is already built and just needs some Pontiac bumpers. hehe.



At least Canada has the Pursuit (which I hope the U.S. gets). GM is now saying the U.S. will have to wait 18-24 months for a Sunfire replacement.
Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Friday, January 28, 2005 6:00 AM
It is for this reason that car manufacturers pi$$ me off. IMO, the Sunfire has been a huuuge seller since it came out in late '94 as a '95 model. These guys get something good going, and when sales fall (like the did after the '03 re-design) they just decide to stop making it altogether. I admit, the Sunfire needs a few updates, 80% of the car has been the same for the past 11 years, appearance-wise. But, believe me, the Vibe does NOT appeal to everyone. I hate the ugly thing. I think the Cobalt coupe is a hot little car, but as far as the sedan and Pontiac Pursuit (I live in Canada) goes, UGLY UGLY UGLY. You guys are right, Pontiac IS the performance end of GM. The new G6 is a hot looking car. I have always owned North American-made cars for a reason. I don't like imports. And now it's come to American companies IMPORTING their cars from Europe and Japan. A sfar as badge-engineering goes, Vibe=Matrix; Cobalt Sedan=Pursuit Sedan, etc, etc, etc. Pontiac needs a 2 door, affordable, sporty car like the Sunfire was. Sorry for the long rant/post, but I just can't figure out what these so-called Big Wigs are thinking sometimes. <br>

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Re: Pontiac Sunfire says good-bye
Friday, January 28, 2005 1:01 PM
Sunfire has been a big seller in CANADA and that's pretty much it. It never oversold the Cavalier in the US, did it? I can't find the sales stats at the moment.

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