yeah induction dynamics jacks up prices cuz they want to get the money back asap that was spent on R&D on the product, but what they dont realize is if they sell the damn intake for 200 more will be sold and in the end of the year more money is made, and same goes for the intake manifold if they lower it to about 500 more will be sold alot more infact and in the end more money is made, look at venoms intake manifold how many of those have been sold probably 5 and how long has it been out 2 years. point is sell for low make tons of money at the end of the year. if plan on keeping it high stop producing it cuz you'll lose money cuz no one will buy it at that ridiculous price. <br>
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That thing is hideous..
For the price, I think I'd much rather get the HO manifold, and use the rest towards almost the cost of a turbo kit.
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i dunno, if it produces, considering some people spend 300$ for an intake, 1200$ isnt much.
it is in blatant terms, but if it produces, that would be key even at that price.
we want parts, places are gonna spend money in R&D, but for prices to go down a deman is needed.
decent product. but as it stands we have to pay for quality.
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Event wrote:i dunno, if it produces, considering some people spend 300$ for an intake, 1200$ isnt much.
it is in blatant terms, but if it produces, that would be key even at that price.
we want parts, places are gonna spend money in R&D, but for prices to go down a deman is needed.
decent product. but as it stands we have to pay for quality.
Finally... Someone who knows what he's talking about...
You all seem to want a 500 000 house for 85k... wtf? You want the true, tested, dynoed, movies, pics and goodlooking product(as he said, the other one WILL look better, this is the FIRST one built... not polished and all) and when its provided to you... a race enthusiast number yelding product, its too expensive? Don't create a demand if your not willing to pay for it... shut the @!#$ up is all I can say...
There's alot of R&D in this part... I particularly have no use for it... but never asked for anything similar or participated in a thread saying OH YEAH I WANT AN Intake Manifold either...
And who says 1200bucks is rediculous? It might be redicilous to YOU... or you may be rediculous to car enthusiasts who actually try to yeld power from their cars... you know, add the go to the show... That's my take on it...
Now step in line and STFU... you don't know what your talking about, you have not seen or spoken with these engineers... I can say I have... they are great people, do great deals of testing and bring out the best products! If you can't dish 1200$ for an Intake Manifold you definately won't be next person to come saying you created, assembled, R&D and tested and tuned a part and proved it performs and are now willing to dish out to start a business and pay all liscenses to do so to help the community...
THEY DID! Stop bitching about prices... you have accomplished NOTHING compared to them...
To the others... sorry... this is kinda ticking me off recently... <br>
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That's all well and good Nem.
But what about the battery?
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Got the raise. Was 11+ percent. But wait, STILL less than $50K gross before OT??? YOO!!!
nemises y2k, i can honestly say i am bitching about price, i did want to get this manifold, one cuz of all the R&D i have talked to them threw numerous amounts of e-mails, but in fact, if they want to make a good amount of sales and have an incredible amount of sales gain and respect amongst J enthusiasts then by all means lower the damn price to the 700 USD, you can not tell me it costs more than 200 dollars to create the damn thing, so 200 lets say 300 theyre making over 400 dollars in profit right there instead of wanting only 5 people to order it at that price the first 5 will swallow it up and brag about how good it is and make more people want it so 10 more purchase it so in the end it does take more transactions to break even but you'll end up having more money in the end cuz more people will buy at an affordable price. instead of trying to break even with only 5 transactions of the damn manifold why not spread it out so us people who've wanted one and been anxious for one can afford it and begin saying how awsome it is, theres not a doubt in my mind that it isnt quality, or it wont perform, i believe that thing will perform and is made of out standing quality. but you cant go out and saying it performs without any dyno testing to prove it yet. it is about supply and demand, but no one wil demand for it if the cost is going to be a rape in the wallet. damn 1200 you can create a junk yard turbo kit that can yield to 50+ whp. 1200 for a manifold is too much imo regardless who its from, i could care less if its from edelbroc or any one but 1200 is way to much for the damn manifold. and one allready theyre information is getting unreliable, i've contacted them and they told me that you can install up to a 75mm throttle body as long as stock bolt geometry is there. and in the post and on the website it states only 62mm. and for one the damn manifold isnt streetable. half of the jbody uses their j for street use and would like a manifold like that for street use. now if 1200 dollars included a 62mm t/b and the "special" cold air intake then thats a reasonable price but if not then i dont see j-body owners purchasing more than 5. within a year. just search the members registry and loook to see how many people own the $700 venom manifold not many its been out for 2 years. you think people will want a 1200 manifold. i think not.
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I think 1200 is way too much. I'm sure it produce more HP but really not worth the 1200. I think if you were to add a couple more hundred dollars then you could get a turbo instead. Now if you have an engine rebuilt from scratch with all high end parts , then i'm sure 1200 would not be an issue but seeing how not many of us have the money to do that then a turbo or a supercharger will be better option. I cant see how the manifold is almost the same price as a turbo starter kit.
I Agree with Eddie. I think that if they lower the price then they would sell more which at the end would get them profit. I know they spent a lot of money on R&D but they are not going to get any profit of only a handful of people buy it. It would make sense to lower the price since there is a lot of "J" owners out there.
Highly specific investment (e.g. R&D) are usually sunk costs. These costs should be recovered within a reasonable period of operative activity (production). These costs can and usually drive prices of the initial product upwards of 35% for a specific amount of tme. As sales increase and the sunk costs are spread evenly, then a company can re-assess cost structure and shorten the margin needed (price cut) to offset the sunk costs.
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I wish everyone on this site would quit talking out of their @!#$. Tell you what, take your HO manifold and cut the flange off and take it to a CNC machine shop. For them to spec it and create a digital file will cost you hundreds of dollars. Now have them feed a chunk of aluminum in to the machine and make an actual flange for you. I have a really good idea what that cost ID and it is a LOT more than the cost of the manifold they are now selling. Will I buy this manifold? no way, but is it worth the money? I think so especially if you are serious about your car and want to run with the big boys. ID even said this is not for a street driven car. If you decide to make your car a track car, a custom manifold with proper length/width runners and plenum volume for your particular engine is going to cost big bucks. The HO manifold is a waste of time for the majority of people here. You CANNOT match the HO manifod to the 2.4L without porting your intake ports on the nead or adding material to the HO manifold and then porting it. If you haven't done what I just said and you say yours is properly matched, you're wrong.
Mark P.
C.T, what you are trying to say is 1st buyers WILL get SHAFTED!!!
Is this $1200 US $ or Canadian $??????
If it is Canadian how much is it in US $ and if it is in US, then how much does the damn thing cost in Canadian???????
I can get a Quaife LSD for $1200
Nice piece.
SunCavi
Why not just get the Venom manifold for less?
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The cost it 1200 US
1,200 US Dollar = 1,571.64 Canadian Dollar
Thats just a little roo pricey for us canadians
I guess it would be just a little.
SunCavi
Travis wrote:Why not just get the Venom manifold for less?
Because Venom has NOTHING on I-D when it comes to the J-Car...
And all of you are talking of the costs of building this manifold, now I'm not getting this info directly from I-D...
But consider one technician and one mechanical engineer... those are NORMALLY paid AT LEAST 60K a year... MINIMUM...
Consider over, AND WELL OVER 10 000$ worth of equipment(mostly computers and computer programs and liscensing
Consider business lisenses, taxes...
Consider that they are having a shop do all the benchflow testing, a shop build these... they do the computer part... must pay someone(maybe someone has a parent that works in a machine shop... they are feeding your mouth!!!) paying BIG BUCKS to have these built, shipped back to them in quantities so they can sell them to you...
And I personally know nothing... I'm sure there are MANY MORE costs that I'm missing here...
Consider that at least 2 others of those were built very similar for testing... and they found out there design had a flaw... oops, build yet ANOTHER...
THAT is the careful and presice testing you have all been begging for and they have done it!!!
I personally haven't seen anything on the Venom manifold from anyone NOR Venom...
This is a NEW product from ID... details will be out soon... just as they were for all their other products!
Yes, the price IS high... I never said it wasn't... I also said it may be too much FOR YOU(speaking in general) but *you* don't seem to have a track car either... so why complain?
This was just an explanation from MY knowledge of what you are overlooking in the price...
these people have to eat... this is a business... they can't starve for 5 years to give you a product at your price... they have business loans and the government to respond to. <br>
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Venom is garbage. They are like APC of the performance world. Their 2.4L manifold is identical to the stock one but it is made of shiny metal instead. It is heavier and prone to heat soak and does not flow any better than the stock one. Companies have gone to composite intake manifolds because they are lighter and flow better than metal ones. A properly finished metal one may flow better, but your typical intake manifod has casting flash and too rough of a surface on the inside which is disruptive to flow.
Mark P.
but hey, look at the bright side all, when they release it, it might be like the rksport full cpro street coils, when i got em. they might have a reduced intro price.
remember the rksport coils were 1,395.00 on first showing. the intro price was 1050.00, now on avg they are around 1100-1200$, it seems that way when KW joined the race as well. either way its not the 1400$ that was predicted before sale.
and think of it. remember the 2.2L that was pretty badass from about 2 months ago. the hogan intake manifold, i believe that was 1200$ as well. it was custom though. doubt many people have it.
but wait a while their might be an intro price.
but always keep in mind, unlike other cars, we dont have alot of ready buyers like integras and focus and neons
http://www.speedyperformanceparts.com/skunk-2_ac_integra_intake-manifold_z.html
their manifolds are lower, yes, but they also have alot made and alot of people buyin em. we are a smaller group and for the same parts atleast for now, we gotta pay. sucks in a way, but atleast we have the option. <br>
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!!!! Nice intake manni though.
SunCavi
true that Event!
think about how many intakes are made for us... tons. that is all most of us j-body people do. an intake..fart can and we stop their. very few ever turbo, and even fewer go further to warrant this product. those who do got cash. they knew not very many people would buy this. hense the price. all im saying is most of the posters here would never need this mod so they are targetting a dif croud. i give mad props to ID for standing behind j-body and you guys are ripping on them.
most of you will never need this so dont whine about the price.
and about the slightly business major in the group. you are right when anticipated demand is high. they covered their a$$ by not putting faith in the all talk j-body community and made a smart move. i garantee you if the demand is there the price will decrease drasticly, but some of us have to take it on the chin first.
just my thoughts. thaks again ID. if i get to that point, i will buy this. <br>
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
I'm not doubting the product....the manifold looks good and i'm sure it will perform well...i'm just saying that if they want to sell a lot of intake manifolds then the price will have to drop a little... But if their goal is to target "race track" cars then i can understand that. I just cant see how they will sell that many with that price if they are targetting the whole J community..thats just my opinion. The demand is there i would say but the price is up there as well ;(
I guess we'll have to wait for the final price .
like i said that is under the asumption that people will buy an expensive manifold. i think they are doing it right. wait a year and see what happens to the price. <br>
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
Dustin, no not shafted, because even if they drop the price you cannot expect it to drop in 1/2..
that is just the way it goes. the cost is covering as much of their sunk costs as possible. <br>
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I'd be glad to test it under autocross and track conditions.
For $1200, it'd better pull like a SOB on speed. <br>
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I'll take my nice shiney HO manifold for less than $100, thank you very much. It is dyno tested on W41 quads up to 190 hp. Hmm, what to do with the extra $1100???????
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Nice, isn't it.
Dyno tested on a completely different engine with different valve sizes, compression, bore, stroke, RPM capabilities, etc. Plus it doesn't fit worth a @!#$ without the above mentioned work. I'll keep my stock plastic one thanks.
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