Bammax wrote:I'm starting to wonder just how horribly this car is going to handle corners in wet conditions. I think you just made a non-streetable Cav Raven. I might rethink this whole swap now since my car needs to get me through winters and such.
Not even close. I drove it a few kms before we played with it and it is very streetable at low rpm, you don't need much rpm at all to get up to speed. As far as winter driving goes, I wouldn't drive this setup in the winter thats for sure. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Wicked man. It's wicked. I heard a story about 3rd gear being a little smokey, but since you didn't meantion anything like that, guess it's a story. But traction must still be limited with it. lol. Either way, can't wait till you get this bending problem fixed.
That car is nothing but a powerhouse now. Can't wait for drag season!
Lovin it.
Good luck with the remaining work, and I hope there's another wicked update like this for when I'm back next weekend.
Just with less metal being bent out of shape
Actually we never got to 3rd gear, it was second that was really smokey
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
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raven wrote:Actually we never got to 3rd gear, it was second that was really smokey
Oh come on, stop saying stuff like that!! Now I wanna get mine done even more!!! Must work, MUST work NOW!!
LOL. 2nd instead of 3rd, oh well. . . Either way, I'm sure 3rd will do it when it's all tightened up
We got the new tranny mount done up and installed on the car. It is very solid and should keep the tranny from rocking back.
Here is a pic of the new mount...
We also noticed that the lower engine mount was bent as well. We are going to have to strengthen that up as well..
Here is a pic of the lower engine mount.
I will keep everyone updated on whats happening... <br>
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55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
The steel on the new mount looks heavier than the steel used for the tranny. If you bend that mount you should just quit and walk away
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What's a Z-24? It's like a Z-28, only 4 less.
I seen an other guy who did the swap :
http://z24sc.8m.com
its a good guy if you have question go visit his page.
and actualy its just costed him 5300Cdn$
lol...
yeah I don't think that is going to break.
Anyone have info about DNX Performance. The regional rep just letf the shop and they might make their new suspension system for the j-body. Just wondering what people have heard about them. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
Bastaz wrote:I seen an other guy who did the swap :
http://z24sc.8m.com
its a good guy if you have question go visit his page.
and actualy its just costed him 5300Cdn$
Yeah I have seen his page, It's what gave me the idea.
I have emailed him before, his is automatic though so that kind of changes the setup. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
I dunno..... I think an awefulmatic would ruin so much fun that could be had with a 5 speed. Manual is definately a nice plus to have
And in the end, everything will be worth the sweat, and blood.
WOW, this is amazing lol
i just spent the last half hour reading all of this! (I need hooked on phonics!)
this is amazing to me though... engine looks sooo beautiful in there and sounds like you have a crazy amount of power.
cant wait to read more updates
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Raven have you figured out what you are going to do about the radiator support . I would think using some good heavy gauge square tubing would do the trick .
The automatic in a car that wieghs as much as our J-body's could be fun . If you reflashed the PCM for better shift points and firmer shifts it could be just as good as the manuals . <br>
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We are going probably going to brace the rad support by running two steel tubes from the back side of the rad support to the back side of the rebar. Then run two steel tubes from the back side of the rebar to the sub-frame below making a triangle. This should keep it from moving or twisting.
You can get the PCM flashed to allow the automatic to bring the shift points up to 6000 rpm and increase the line pressure for firmer shifts. I could of went that route and it would of been cheaper in the long run but I love my 5-speed too much and didn't want to lose it.
If the manual doesn't hold up I might end up going that route anyway.
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
I am assuming the way you're now going to re-inforce it is the best for how the engine twisted the rad support. I noticed on the website of the auto'ed 3.8 that the guy used reinforcements from the strut towers up to the rad support (dog bone area) and then from one strut tower to the other.
My assumption is this would be futile due to the way the engine twisted the rad support, and that you just need support up front. Actually, now that I think of it, I never did like hacking anything on the strut towers
heh.
Glad to hear you're another step closer, and that tranny mount looks insane
lol. And the people who install the RK Sport mounts complain about how much vibration they get from the tranny to the car and the road noise affecting all that.... Holy. They should try the setup you're going with
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And the people who install the RK Sport mounts complain about how much vibration they get from the tranny to the car and the road noise affecting all that.... Holy. They should try the setup you're going with hehe
Yeah there is quite a bit of vibration inside the car but it really isn't all that bad. I am also having some rubber bushings made up for the front mounts for long trips (like the trip to the bash). But for everyday driving it really isn't too bad at all.
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
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My assumption is this would be futile due to the way the engine twisted the rad support, and that you just need support up front. Actually, now that I think of it, I never did like hacking anything on the strut towers heh.
Even if we would of went with the setup that he used from the strut bars it still would of twisted things. The engine squated down and back and took the rad support with it. Even if there would of been braces there it still would of bent it, just in a different way. I'm gald that it happened this way because it showed us just what was happening and how to fix it. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
RAVEN: If you don't mind me askin, how much did everything cost? I've been thinkin bout this, but figured it was probably way to much $$$. Did you have a metal fabricator do all the custom work or did you do it yourself? <br>
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yEllOw bLuR wrote:RAVEN: If you don't mind me askin, how much did everything cost? I've been thinkin bout this, but figured it was probably way to much $$$. Did you have a metal fabricator do all the custom work or did you do it yourself?
It was quite a bit of money. It really all depends on how cheap you can get all the parts and if you can get a good deal on labour or do it yourself. The main parts that you need for this setup are; engine, tranny, 2.4l harness, SC3800 harness (should be same year and model as PCM), custom tuned PCM, custom flywheel, clutch, shift cables, shifter, throtle cable, GTP fuel pump, shop supplies, lots of steel and someone who is good at fabrication. Plus some other small parts that you will need. It also took close to 100 hours to get everything installed and working properly.
I was sponsored by Double Z Automotive on the labour so that wasn't too bad and the mechanic who did the install is an awsome metal fabricator who did everything onsite.
We are doing another SC3800 swap into a sunfire later on this summer. Double Z is also able to make the sub-frame and mounts as well as make the custom harness that is needed for this swap. If anyone has any questions on this or would like to order any of these parts just let me know and I will see what I can do for you. I have no idea on prices for these parts but if you are interested I can find out. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
I just updated my cardomain site with over 70 pics of the install. Check it out at
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/526752 <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
Hey Raven... im just wondering if you have been able to test out the new mount?
if so how is it? if not then when do you think you will be able to test drive it again? <br>
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We haven't had it out for a test yet. THe shop has been pretty busy the last few days so we haven't had a chance to finnish up the reinforcements. We still have to build a new rear mount and reinforce the rad support. Hopefully we will have it out for another test drive by the end of the week. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
10.82@132
I'm debating what would run better in the 1/4. The SC3800 at 240hp (I think) or a turboed Eco at 240hp.
The eco is lighter and DOHC... <br>
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I would have to say if would be very close but I would give the edge to the sc3800. You will have the 240hp right off the line with no lag so your 60 foot times would be better and that is where the race is won (thats if both were launched properly). The reason I went with the 3800 and not the ecotec is because I wanted more than 240hp. It is much easier and cheaper to get the sc3800 into the 500hp range than it is with the ecotec. <br>
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Raven Autosports
55 McQuade Lake Cres,
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 850-3330
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