NOLOGY HOTWIRES!!!

Finally cured my random misfiring Issues. Bought the cheapest set of wires from my job tonight, slapped them on and went for a spin... NO MISFIRES WHAT SO EVER!

Here is the info i stumbled across which lead me to my cure, Figured i would throw it up so if anyone thinks about trying them, don't bother! I didn't even put 100 miles on the car with them, i've replaced just about everything trying to figure this problem. I am contacting Summit racing and Nology and complaining and see if they will compensate me with some MSD ones.

JimmyZ wrote:
I have two very big problems with Nology Hotwires that I've posted in the forums before, and maybe it's time I did again:

1. They advertise that they have a "capacitor" in the wires that makes the spark hotter. What they actually have is a wire braid that is wrapped around the wire itself, creating a capacitive effect. The problem is that by doing it that way, they are using the insulation of the wire as a capacitive dielectric which, at those voltage levels, will degrade the insulation. Internally, they are nothing but standard resistor core ignition wires that offer nothing to increase voltage delivered to the plugs.

2. They alter ignition timing. It's a simple fact that wires do not create sparks. Wires are simply the means of delivery for the voltage that is produced by the coils. A normal ignition system on a J, depending on engine RPM, will produce a spark that has a duration of 15-30 degrees of crankshaft rotation. That is a consistent, even spark that starts at the point the computer determines it needs to and fires as long as the coil's saturation level allows. That is through conventional wires (or contacts, in the case of IDI-style ignitions). Nology wires use their primitive little capacitive effect to store the voltage once it starts coming down the wire...charging the "capacitor" until the voltage stops coming...then releases it. Neat idea, except that the spark is now hitting the plug and your combustion chamber 15-30 degrees later than it was intended to. I guess a built in timing retard like that would be good for you boost and nitrous guys, but what about the NA crowd?

SO their advertising is 100% true...their wires deliver a hotter spark. What they fail to tell you is that the hotter spark is much shorter duration and is grossly mistimed.

So, the way I see it you have a wire that, by design, will slowly destroy itself. As an added bonus, you have a theory of operation that is potentially damaging to your motor and definitely isn't good for power production or fuel consumption.

My good buddy Chris from RDFABS has been having great success with them, so i figured over the winter i would order myself a set. Was I ever wrong....

glad to see you found out the problem. i wonder why your friend has success with it, while others have problems. is he sure he is not experiencing any problems? maybe he should check it out as well.

I've been rocking the cheapy yellow accel wires and they're great, I guess!


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Whats up people?

I've heard lots of bad things about Nology, so I went with some cheap 9.3mm APC wires off ebay for $20. Dog em' for the name if you must, but they have had tons of positive feedback on the Saturn forums and I've even run into a few guys with highly modded Eclipse GST's running them.

Still, anything was better than the worn out stockers that were on the car.


01' Saturn SL2
DOHC 'LLO' automatic
bolt on mods

I <3 my wires

I had the exact same problem. Did you replace the plugs too? Because I didn't diagnose the misfiring soon enough, my Denso Iridiums went down in the "misfire".

I was going to upgrade my spark plug wires but I couldn't find them

but in all seriousness I had magnecores on my 2200 when it was still in the car and I never had any problems at all

I bought some cheap AutoZone wires for my truck for about $15 or $20 and they even come with a lifetime warranty lol.

Rob





Sold 2/2/05

oldskool wrote:I had the exact same problem. Did you replace the plugs too? Because I didn't diagnose the misfiring soon enough, my Denso Iridiums went down in the "misfire".

First thing i replaced was the plugs, then O2 sensors, coil pacs, then i found the post JimmyZ put up and it all made sense. Pull the Hotwires and put in cheap set of wires.... Problems cured!

And Summit is going to refund me my $$$... Woot!

Those and my MSD Coils, in combo with NGK Iridiums, were the best bang for my buck mod i have done so far.

back in the day jimmy z posted atleast a 2-3 page, if you copied it to MS word, reasons not to use GIMMICK wires.....

hotwires are one of the many gimmick wires.... just FYI...easy fix though.

ina nutshell, if you arent running an upgraded ignition which would require a certain plug wire.... no real difference or gains as changing wires only restore efficiency lost through wear and use.


also fatter does not mean better. thicker wires are usually there for heat reflection. so you will see 10mm wires, 9 mm wires...

put it this way, the top ignitions run forever with 8-8.5 mm wires.... theres no need to get larger wires than that on a stock car, unless you just want the looks.

Nity9CavSedanCRJ wrote:

oldskool wrote:I had the exact same problem. Did you replace the plugs too? Because I didn't diagnose the misfiring soon enough, my Denso Iridiums went down in the "misfire".

First thing i replaced was the plugs, then O2 sensors, coil pacs, then i found the post JimmyZ put up and it all made sense. Pull the Hotwires and put in cheap set of wires.... Problems cured!

And Summit is going to refund me my $$$... Woot!

Yea my plugs were fine until the damned hotwires started arcing. These things may have some application somewhere, but I can attest that it sure as hell is not on a daily driven car.

duh



1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85

wires are so passe, direct coil is where its at .

a spark plug wire is a spark plug wire in my book. As long as you've got the proper guage to carry the current your good to go.

Just like Monster charging a premium for their speaker wire. RadioShacks brand is just as good and is 100ft for $20.00


-Chris

Well maybe it wasn't the hotwires... My misfiring came back 2 days later after putting some new wires on. So i pulled my MSD coil pacs, on the back of one of them were the prongs go in, there was a hair line fracture so i put my stock coil pacs back on, once again no more misfiring.... .. So back to completly stock ignition and been problem free for 3 days now... we'll see how long it lasts this time.

I installed HOTWIRES and it CURED my misfireing problem.. i found them to be excellent.... but i guess TIME will tell :-)

IamRascal wrote:wires are so passe, direct coil is where its at .

a spark plug wire is a spark plug wire in my book. As long as you've got the proper guage to carry the current your good to go.

Just like Monster charging a premium for their speaker wire. RadioShacks brand is just as good and is 100ft for $20.00

to a certain extent....

if your car is fully stock ignition wise....true.

if you have certain plugs, with a larger medium (stock or nickel) you can lose spark strength as opposed to iridium.

if it isnt, resistance can make a difference, some wires are 100ohm resistance where as others are half or only 40ohm resistance.


the avg person def wont know the difference, but if you are hard on the car and push it, you prob will notice little differences here and there.

Well I obtained an Accel Coil pac to borrow and test a few things out for when I am bored this weekend. Going to reinstall the MSD pac without the crack, and one accel and try the hotwires again. Because going back to stock ignition sucks, I can feel a difference.

Are not those wires made for boost?

dan

dubduce18s wrote:Are not those wires made for boost?

dan

wires arent boost or n/a specific.....

sparkplugs however can be...

I was thinking that because I thought you wanted a hoter spark, which in return ... would give you more heat ... which also in return ... would give you more HP ... in theory.

dan

Carefull with the accel and msd pack. The accel runs higher voltage, but isnt as steady for the charge.

dubduce18s wrote:I was thinking that because I thought you wanted a hoter spark, which in return ... would give you more heat ... which also in return ... would give you more HP ... in theory.

dan

sparkplug wires dont increase spark.... the coil packs will only throw out so much spark, plug wires are a medium of getting there.

stock ignition spark can hurt a human, but its nothing to write home about. aftermarket ignition can throw a spark up to 6 times longer.

on a stock ignition, plug wires really dont matter, and half of em out there today are gimmicks.