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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, June 11, 2007 6:55 AM
Hmmm..

These part numbers below don't plug into gmpp, where are you guys getting these parts?

Windage Tray: 22536409
Baffle Bolt: 22540299 x2
Brace: 24570677
Nut For Brace: 22535081 x2












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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, June 11, 2007 7:36 AM
for the windage tray, just Call GM, and tell then you need a vintage GM part... cost me $20 plus 5 shipping or something.


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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, June 11, 2007 7:58 AM
Ok, just found the brace, and windage tray at gmpartscheap.com

Still cant locate the baffle bolt, and nut for brace..

Btw, the baffle is another name for the windage tray right?











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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, June 11, 2007 8:00 AM
yah, for those bolts, just got get some bolts from a local hardware store. It is a common thread ( I got threaded rod and red loctited it into the block) and just some generic nuts.


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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, June 11, 2007 8:07 AM
^^Ok,, thanks man.

I should of done this swap while I did the engine swap, but I didnt know any shops around here to try it for me.. I think I found one now that will hook me up..Im going to print off High Res pictures of the how to on the first page for the shop. Not to mention, I think the first machine shop put my bottom end together crappy causing low oil pressure, and I mean LOW, and some metal shavings ... Im collecting these 2.3 oil pump parts now for the late fallwinter to pull the engine.....







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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:42 AM
Fst Cavy wrote:

I think the reason for not being stickied is because this is only one mod, maybe if somebody wrote a full 2.4 build guide, with this included in it, it would get stickied. It would give a place for the 2.4 guys to add stuff as it goes along. Like the question that comes up almost as often as this one, the Crankcase Ventilation question when being turboed.


Read this here.
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=1&i=355480&t=355480
It would become a how to in the library not a sticky. It is too bad that the person or persons responsible for doing this sort of thing are not taking care of things like this in a timely mannor. As you can see I have already voiced my concern about it in that thread.

Also I wanted to thank all of you who have contributed to this. It has helped me alot. THANK YOU!


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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:57 PM
22531309. < crank gear.

Some one email me with what part numbers you want. I work for GM.

BTW, I got 3 oil baffle trays for 17 bucks, VPI should sell direct too, they have a web site.


Chris



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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, July 09, 2007 1:15 PM
WHITECAVY wrote:

Ok, just found the brace, and windage tray at gmpartscheap.com

Still cant locate the baffle bolt, and nut for brace..

Btw, the baffle is another name for the windage tray right?


Well I went to gmpartscheap.com and placed my order for the brace and windage tray. Two days later I got an email saying that the part is unavailable.



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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:08 PM
So about the oil pan. I have a friend who is a good welder and mentioned it would be easier to weld the 2.4l flange onto the 2.3L pan. Yes it's welding to cast aluminum but so is the extention to the 2.4L pan. What I'm wondering is, will the 2.3L pan be deep enough, why don't people do this and how would i figure out the proper amount of oil to put in?

BTW, STICKEY!!!!


- Paul

Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:23 PM
Paul Yannacopoulos wrote:

So about the oil pan. I have a friend who is a good welder and mentioned it would be easier to weld the 2.4l flange onto the 2.3L pan. Yes it's welding to cast aluminum but so is the extention to the 2.4L pan. What I'm wondering is, will the 2.3L pan be deep enough, why don't people do this and how would i figure out the proper amount of oil to put in?

BTW, STICKEY!!!!


I am not sure why the 2.3 pan is not used. I do not have one to compare to my 2.4 oil pan so I do not know where they diifer. I do not know why your friend says it would be harder to modify the 2.4 pan. The place that did mine only charged me $150.00 I have pictures of mine if you need them however the pictures of the pan on the first page seem good enough to get the job done.



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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Friday, August 03, 2007 8:52 AM
He just said it would be more difficult than cutting the flange from one pan and putting it on the other.


- Paul


Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Friday, August 03, 2007 10:53 AM
Wade Jarvis wrote:

WHITECAVY wrote:

Ok, just found the brace, and windage tray at gmpartscheap.com

Still cant locate the baffle bolt, and nut for brace..

Btw, the baffle is another name for the windage tray right?


Well I went to gmpartscheap.com and placed my order for the brace and windage tray. Two days later I got an email saying that the part is unavailable.


Oh great!!

Taetsch Z24- Can you still get this through GM?











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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 1:47 PM
Silly question, does this crank gear come with a gash in it? lol or is that something we have to do to it? Also, why is the windage trey marked with black marker?













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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 1:56 PM
No it does not.... this picture depicts how he got the 2.4 gear off the crank
Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:06 PM
I believe the windage tray and the brace are available through Vintage Parts . No, the crank gear does not have a cut in it. It is all one piece, which is pressed on. The windage tray has black marker on it because that end of the windage tray needs to be pounded down a bit with a hammer to fit in the modified 2.4L oil pan.



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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:08 PM
Paul Yannacopoulos wrote:

So about the oil pan. I have a friend who is a good welder and mentioned it would be easier to weld the 2.4l flange onto the 2.3L pan. Yes it's welding to cast aluminum but so is the extention to the 2.4L pan. What I'm wondering is, will the 2.3L pan be deep enough, why don't people do this and how would i figure out the proper amount of oil to put in?

BTW, STICKEY!!!!


The 2.3L has the dipstick in the front of the motor. You would most likely have to bore a new hole and do more welding to use your stock 2.4L dipstick.


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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:10 PM
BTW Whitecavy, if you have any questions feel free to e-mail me. I have all my photos saved from when I did the conversion. I also have a diagram that shows what needs to be plugged, tapped, etc. And on one post, I have all the sizes of taps, drill bits, everything listed and even shown in a picture.



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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:05 PM
Thanks for the info guys,.

Luke, Ill email ya asap. Im trying to get all my parts together before I pull the motor in October..











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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:55 PM
Paul Yannacopoulos wrote:

So about the oil pan. I have a friend who is a good welder and mentioned it would be easier to weld the 2.4l flange onto the 2.3L pan. Yes it's welding to cast aluminum but so is the extention to the 2.4L pan. What I'm wondering is, will the 2.3L pan be deep enough, why don't people do this and how would i figure out the proper amount of oil to put in?

BTW, STICKEY!!!!


I refute his opinion.

Welding a thin flange all the way around = much warpage.

Also you would still have to build in the areas that don't match up.

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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:38 PM
Brian Whalen wrote:

Paul Yannacopoulos wrote:

So about the oil pan. I have a friend who is a good welder and mentioned it would be easier to weld the 2.4l flange onto the 2.3L pan. Yes it's welding to cast aluminum but so is the extention to the 2.4L pan. What I'm wondering is, will the 2.3L pan be deep enough, why don't people do this and how would i figure out the proper amount of oil to put in?

BTW, STICKEY!!!!


The 2.3L has the dipstick in the front of the motor. You would most likely have to bore a new hole and do more welding to use your stock 2.4L dipstick.





SHHHHHHHHHH


i think i better tell Speed Racer that he cant use the dip stick that he is using.

The pan he got from Protomec works and LOOKS great!, he has truley masterd function and form.

but ya'al no best right?!


back to topic, yes i can still get everything... i have a box o parts wating for me to get time... messting with my GTZ and my wife's Z24.... but what ever anyone needs from GM let me know. i will give you cost + what ever it cost to ship.


Chris
Chris


'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08

Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:14 PM
I don't follow what you are saying Chris. If Brian has a modified pan from Todd, it will be a modified 2.4L pan. Paul asked why we don't just use the 2.3L pan and adapt it to work with a 2.4L block. That is what I was explaining. Unless he were to use a 2.3L dipstick (which I'm not entirely sure is possible without a Quad4 block), he would need to have the 2.3L pan altered to accomidate the 2.4L dipstick/black dipstick tube. Because from what I remember, the tube goes into the LD9 block itself. If the Quad 4 is the same way, and you wanted to use the 2.3L dipstick/tube you would need to find a good way to seal and support the tube, since there are no provisions to support it on the front of the LD9 block. That's all I was saying.


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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, August 06, 2007 5:15 AM
Taetsch- Ill take the following at cost if you wouldn't mind

22531309- crank gear
22536409- Windage Tray
24570677- Brace
And the 2.3 oil pump(not sure of the part#)

If you want to give me a total, and lemme know we'll work out payment details..

Thanks a ton man.











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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, August 06, 2007 1:13 PM
get the pump aftermarkit. GM wants like 250 for there's.

Chris


'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08

Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, August 06, 2007 1:16 PM
Oh crap, ok.. Thanks Ill do that then..











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Re: 2.3 Oil pump swap **sticky** with pictures
Monday, August 06, 2007 3:16 PM


Price List Trade
1639 22531309 F-GEAR-O/ 0 99.75 90.68 68.01 My cost 56.86

1430 22536409 F-BAFFLE 0 21.01 13.65 10.24 My cost 8.56

1656 24570677 F-BRACE A 0 21.03 13.67 10.25 My cost 8.56


Chris


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13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08

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