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2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 11:25 AM
I am making one of these for my self either way. I just want to see if there is a market for them, in case I make some extras.
I dont have a price yet, but it will be made for sure before April!

Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 11:32 AM
whats your purpose for one? are you having clearance issues?


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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 11:49 AM
for the rockers so that you don't have to shave down the valve cover.
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 12:00 PM
exactly adam .....
Im doing a full SBC valve train, and the installed height is taller.
All new springs, new valves with 5/16 stems, new guides, new locks, new retainers, new pushrods, ect ect
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 12:01 PM
that what i was hoping.


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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 12:26 PM
hmmm, my valvetrain fit except for about 1/16" on the one baffle. I know the oil baffles arent a huge deal, but you need to conviser any adverse affects that might occur from spacing them as well. How thick of a spacer are you making? I have crane gold rockers on ARP studs, LS1 valve springs, the works.....I really didnt have fitment problems at all.





Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 3:04 PM
John, How did you fit the LS1 valve spring in the head?

The stock installed height on the 2200 valve springs is 1.6", the installed height on the LS1 spring is 1.8". You could install the LS1 springs, but you would cut .200" lift from the total list available from the spring. OHV notec cut a 2200 head and there was definitely not enough room for cutting down the seats, without risking breaking through the water jacket. (The '97 & earlier head has enough material to machine down to fit the 1.8" installed height spring, which is 0.090" longer than the 2.2 spring.)

The only solution was to go up. Using longer stem valves and equally longer push rods. This will put the height of the rocker arm up higher in the head. If you had to grind to get the rockers to fit with the stock heights, you will definitely need to space if you go + 0.100" or +0.200".






Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 3:35 PM


This is the exhaust seat of a 98 2200 head. Note that since the valves are canted, one side is much lower to the water jacket than the other. The intake valves have more than enough meat to machine out for even the tallest SBC springs, however, the exhausts have almost no meat whatsoever. The red line depicts taking out 0.100" to fit 1.7" installed height springs. That MIGHT be doable but in my mind, its pushing it. The green line depicts a 0.200" cut, which clearly goes into the waterjacket wall and would be really bad juju combined with high pressure springs and a higher-revving engine. Thus, IMO, using longer valves instead of machining the seats is the way to go.




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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 3:51 PM
Phil when you get yours made PM me id like to get one too.
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 4:41 PM
i would be interested in this as well.
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 7:18 PM
Jason, my bad on who gets the credit for cutting up the head!!
Critical information was found with that!!!







Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Monday, February 09, 2009 11:28 PM
I would be interested in one, how tall are you making it? Also what is pricing going to be like?





Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:55 AM
Im thinking about making it .250 thick so that it would accomodate for a majority of spings.

Mad Jack I went with +.100 5/16 stem stainless valves, conventional chrome-moly SBC 7* locks (std height), 7* chrome-moly retainers (std height), new custom bronze valve guides with 2200 std OD and 5/16 ID, manley springs 357 lbs/in 110 @ 1.700, 285 @ 1.210, Bind @ 1.180, custom chrome-moly +.100 pushrods, new viton valve seals, and hardened steel spring centering seats.

Should be sick, and will post pics asap! Im just waiting for my taxes.
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:07 AM
MadJack wrote:Jason, my bad on who gets the credit for cutting up the head!!
Critical information was found with that!!!


No problem man, I wasn't sure if Notec had cut one up too or not--- I think the one he sliced up was a 2.2 head. One of these days I'll get around to posting all the pics I took of my dissected head.




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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:13 AM
i would be interested in one as well
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:36 AM
Heres some crappy pics with my valve cover off.

They are Crane cams LS1 springs. I do not know what was done to make them fit as they are. It was handled by the head shop that did the work, along with the p&p.





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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:46 AM
ok john, i have the exact roller rocker as you, just different valvetrain components .....

where did you get your head p&p done, how much and were you pleased?
was it gasket matched?
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:10 AM
If you guys need them made let me know, I can knock them out at a pretty good price/


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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:31 AM
place down in Florida did it. They did the head to match the entire valvetrain, custom cam and everything to customer spec. They worked with Crane for everything, which is why I have a Crane cam, rockers, valve springs, etc.

The work to the head including everything but the can was around $650.

It is not ported all the way out to gasket match, and has been an absolute powerhouse thus far.

But everything was designed together, for optimal flow, and a huge powerband starting around 2500 to 6000, which is where it redlines. Everything is built for tons of low end torque.

...and thanks again Richardo





Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:52 AM
OEM wrote:If you guys need them made let me know, I can knock them out at a pretty good price/


remember that i mentioned that there would be a slight market for this? I would still be down for one and i currently have one being drawn up by a buddy of mine. Phil before you spend that time drawing let me know and i can send you the file. Phil what do you plan to make it out of? I was also thinking 1/4" or maybe 3/8" steel plate if i could get my hands on a plate pretty cheap.





Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:15 AM
JerseyJayLN2 (Scarab) wrote:No problem man, I wasn't sure if Notec had cut one up too or not--- I think the one he sliced up was a 2.2 head. One of these days I'll get around to posting all the pics I took of my dissected head.
Yeah, mine was a 2.2
Luis Marroquin wrote:Phil what do you plan to make it out of? I was also thinking 1/4" or maybe 3/8" steel plate if i could get my hands on a plate pretty cheap.
Definitely aluminum. I'd start with a 5/16 plate.




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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:59 PM
I work at a fabrication shop and im a mechanical designer .....

I was thinking water jet cut out of .250 304/316 stainless.
Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:19 PM
I'd like one too, please!


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Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:43 PM
Phil Lindsay wrote:I work at a fabrication shop and im a mechanical designer .....

I was thinking water jet cut out of .250 304/316 stainless.


let me know pricing and if your gonna go through with it and i would be down for one. Why stainless and not aluminum?





Re: 2200 Valve Cover Spacer
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:24 PM
why metal? id use like a water cut plastic or something like some of the intake spacers made for cars
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