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Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 2:00 PM
So I have been working on a fuel rail for a fellow org member. I have talked to a few machine shops, and have a few ideas. I'm probably going to start to ramble....

So here are some of the basic design points:

    Solid Billet fuel rail made from T6-6061 Aluminum.
    Have both ends be -6an fittings....or one end -6AN and the other bolt directly into the stock feed-line.
    Have the port for the Fuel Pressure Regulator remain in the stock location or just use a -AN port for an external FPR. It would be quite a bit cheaper to not include the stock fuel rail port for the FPR and use the end for the FPR and return line......
    I was thinking of having the injector bosses removable. Have them screw into the main rail so people could order whatever length they need for what ever injectors they want. This would eliminate the need for spaces between the injectors and the fuel rail in certain applications. These would probably end up being -6AN ports / 9/16"-18 SAE ports with a small adapter for the injectors to fit into.
    Most of the machine shops want a two piece rail so the do not have to bore so deep. Two injectors per main rail part. This is differently a cheaper option, but I'm not to sure how I feel about it.


These are the main points. I'm open to ideas or suggestions.

Prices depending on design are ranging from $150-300 for about 20-25 rails.

If I get time I may upload some Soildworks or AutoCAD pics to help explain everything better.







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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 2:15 PM
in for images to see what you means! would def love a other the stock rail that would make adding SS braided lines easier and need less fittings.



Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 2:19 PM
I would be interested....just for the "bling" factor.

I would want some way to use the stock regulator.

Not into the 2-peice rail one bit, and not to sure on the removable bosses. The idea is great but I suppose I always worry about leaks when it comes to things like fuel.

A built in port for a fuel pressure gauge would be a great addition as well.

Have you thought about using:
http://rossmachineracing.com/dash10.html

To help with not having to bore it out?
Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 2:29 PM
This is more what I was thinking of...Click Me
Thanks for the link though.







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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 2:41 PM
YUP!



Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 3:29 PM
Yah..wasnt to sure on size just sharing the extrusion....quite economical.
Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 4:01 PM
you know im in







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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, December 02, 2011 4:32 PM
thats cuz its yours a hole!



Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:41 AM
What about getting a small run of them done in injection molded plastic? There are places that will do small runs of injection molded part. I'd much rather have a low-heat conductive plastic fuel rail than a highly conductive aluminum one.


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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 4:02 AM
BuiltNBoosted wrote:

thats cuz its yours a hole!



why the hate broz lol







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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 4:32 AM
Leafy (Club Jeffie FEA man) wrote:

What about getting a small run of them done in injection molded plastic? There are places that will do small runs of injection molded part. I'd much rather have a low-heat conductive plastic fuel rail than a highly conductive aluminum one.

Leafy, I assume you have never had a small run injection molded part done.........Yes piece price is nice, but the tooling would push prices well into the $750 or more range for the few I'll actually sell. Last time I had a batch of 50 parts made of similar volume of plastic for work, "nylon 6/12 with 43% glass and mineral fill", the part cost was $50 each, but the tooling was $7500.







Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 7:39 AM
No I havent had it done. I did look into it, though the part I looked at was significantly less intricate than a fuel rail, the tooling was going to be under 2 grand.


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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 10:29 AM
Anyone want to venture a guess what the stock one is made of? . ..........point made.

Nuff said



Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 10:36 AM
Ever touched yours after you've run? Its very hot, thats making your fuel very hot, which is taking a bit of power away.


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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 12:28 PM
I'd like to say that amount of heat is negligable. I like my parts made from metal.
Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 05, 2011 12:32 PM
bump for updates on the "billet" Rail







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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:31 AM
I would be interested, but for some reason my 03 sunfire has the 02 fuel rail and injectors :/



Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 1:41 PM
Philly D wrote:

I'd like to say that amount of heat is negligable. I like my parts made from metal.


agreed. Id like to think I have bigger issues with heat more than the fuel rail. Especially since the fuel is rarely in the rail long enough for the temp to be insane.



MD, if you come up with a poly extruded block and head, let me know!



Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 1:46 PM
BuiltNBoosted wrote:

Philly D wrote:



MD, if you come up with a poly extruded block and head, let me know!


You'll want it to be phenolic or some other thermosetting plastic so it doesnt melt on the first heat cycle. There have been plastic engines made before.


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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:03 PM
I have pondered the benefits of an upgraded rail. Obviously after a certain horsepower level is would be necessary.

Random tired thought......what would it cost to have the stock rail extrude honed and tapped on the end for the return line?
Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, December 12, 2011 3:59 AM
I should have more updates on this next week. When I actually have some time to work on it again.






Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, March 19, 2012 10:02 AM
I need to finish this! Sorry Jason.





Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Friday, June 29, 2012 1:16 PM
whatever happened with this


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Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, July 02, 2012 3:07 AM
I had two machine shops...look at it. Neither wanted to be bothered. I sent it to another local shop, and I'll be sending to a fellow J owner in New York to look at making it. The one machine shop that kinda looked at it said $600 a piece. I laughed and left.






Re: Ecotec L61 03-05 Fuel Rail Feeler of sorts...
Monday, July 02, 2012 8:59 AM
Didn't OEM make some rails for us at one point?
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