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2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 6:06 AM
First I would like to explain the entire situation.
I had these bearings installed by a professional engine machine shop.
This car has only been ran for about 6 months.
I was running 25psi on a big 16G ported 7cm exhaust and 34mm wastegate.
I have a custom valve train setup, consisting of LS1 and SBC components.
The cam is a custom grind from comp cams.
Still using hydraulic lifters.
Over summer the main engine mount, to head mount, the one that holds all the accessories, came loose while driving.
This caused massive vibration in the belt assembly.
Leading to the timing chain tensioner to fail, how ever it did not skip any teeth.
I have an oil sandwich which is running my pressure tranducer, and my -4AN oil feed line, which has an .030" restrictor at the turbo.
On the sandiwch I have a remote locator plate, which runs to the filter, then to the "steel" oil cooler, then back to the remote locator plate.
On hot days I would only be running 5psi at idle, using 0-50 synthetic Eneos oil.
While running it would be between 20-40psi.
Im also running the HV, HP oil pump swap.

You can see the damage in the pictures that has occured on all five bearings and cam lobes.

Upper portion of cam bearing.


Lower portion of cam bearing.


Cam lobes.


I have a few possible reasons, if anyone can verify or elaborate.

-Cam bearing werent installed correctly, blocking lubrication holes from block?
-Steel oil cooler not working properly, should I replace with aluminum with temp switch activated fan?
-Valve springs, too high pressure?
-Slop in timing chain?
-Starving bearings due to turbo feed / sandwich location?
-PSI too low?
-Blocked passageways in block?

Any other information would be greatly appreciated.
I have been also trying to find a oil flow diagram, does anyone have this?

THANKS!!!!!

Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 8:14 AM
Damn Dude.

Do the oil holes line up?? Also when you remove the bearings the rest of the story will be onthe other side, usually in the form of color. Could you take pictures of the other side?



Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 9:01 AM
I havent taken the bearings out yet, I just ran into this yesterday.
The machine shop will take them out, but I will have them be saved, so I can get some pictures.
Im going to take some pictures of where the oil galley holes are installed, then once removed,
compare them to where the actual oil gally's are in the block.
This wont be for a while though, im finishing up my boat first.
Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 9:44 AM
Sweet, let me know what happens.



Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 9:48 AM
Yikes, I'm also going with oil galley misalignment. I've seen the same thing on an LT1. Although your sandwich/cooler situation is definitely unique, I can't see it causing any problems unless something is clogged or defective.


"In Oldskool we trust"
Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 8:32 PM
Mine was not a high-performance application, but it looked exactly the same. I attributed it to low oil pressure.
dennis
Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Monday, February 18, 2013 8:58 PM
Im going with low oil pressure. Youre running 0W-50? Thats interesting. Running too thick of oil can cause starvation problems in the top end especially since from the sounds of it you have a lot length for the oil to travel and it may be taking the path of least resistance (somewhere other than your cam bearings). Ive never been a fan of running anything that thick in a modern 4 cyl. Bearing tolerances are too tight for it.

Was the block line bored before the bearings were installed?



Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:24 AM
Brian (TheSundownFire) wrote:Im going with low oil pressure. Youre running 0W-50? Thats interesting. Running too thick of oil can cause starvation problems in the top end especially since from the sounds of it you have a lot length for the oil to travel and it may be taking the path of least resistance (somewhere other than your cam bearings). Ive never been a fan of running anything that thick in a modern 4 cyl. Bearing tolerances are too tight for it.

Was the block line bored before the bearings were installed?


The block wasnt line bored, I just had the shop install the bearings.
Im thinking I need to run a better cooler setup.
I was seeing 250-280 temps while beating on it.
That is extreamly high.
I might also run a -3 AN fitting, only slightly smaller, but it should reduce the volume going to the turbo.
I looked at the block last night, and there are two ports on the oil gallies above the filter, is anyone using these? Or both?
Im a little frustrated with this car, so the next few weeks are crutial, they will dictate weather I fix it or part it.
I have been builing this since 2005 and it has been in the garage more than on the road.

Thanks
Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:02 AM
Bobby Higgins wrote:I looked at the block last night, and there are two ports on the oil gallies above the filter, is anyone using these? Or both?
Most people use one of those for the turbo feed.




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Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:20 AM
We t'd off the spot just above the oil filter for our pressure sending unit and -3turbo feed. No issues.




Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:55 PM
Bobby Higgins wrote:
Brian (TheSundownFire) wrote:Im going with low oil pressure. Youre running 0W-50? Thats interesting. Running too thick of oil can cause starvation problems in the top end especially since from the sounds of it you have a lot length for the oil to travel and it may be taking the path of least resistance (somewhere other than your cam bearings). Ive never been a fan of running anything that thick in a modern 4 cyl. Bearing tolerances are too tight for it.

Was the block line bored before the bearings were installed?


The block wasnt line bored, I just had the shop install the bearings.
Im thinking I need to run a better cooler setup.
I was seeing 250-280 temps while beating on it.
That is extreamly high.
I might also run a -3 AN fitting, only slightly smaller, but it should reduce the volume going to the turbo.
I looked at the block last night, and there are two ports on the oil gallies above the filter, is anyone using these? Or both?
Im a little frustrated with this car, so the next few weeks are crutial, they will dictate weather I fix it or part it.
I have been builing this since 2005 and it has been in the garage more than on the road.

Thanks


Still curious about the oil weight choice.




Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:14 AM
I wanted vicsous oil, being turbo, the oil gets hot much quicker, so the more viscous, the better lubricating it would be.
Numerous people I know are running 0-50.
My friend runs it in his Mazdaspeed 6, and his 350+hp turbo CRX.
Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:30 PM
Viscosity and lubricity are two different things, and they arent really directly related. So no a thicker oil wont necessarily be slipperier or lubricate better but being more viscous will help it remain on the parts at a higher temperature. That doesnt mean crap if you cant get the oil to where it needs to go though.

I guess if you trust it thats cool but I wouldnt run it.





Re: 2200 Cam And Bearing Carnage
Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:47 PM
Brian (TheSundownFire) wrote:Viscosity and lubricity are two different things, and they arent really directly related. So no a thicker oil wont necessarily be slipperier or lubricate better but being more viscous will help it remain on the parts at a higher temperature. That doesnt mean crap if you cant get the oil to where it needs to go though.

I guess if you trust it thats cool but I wouldnt run it.


I agree... It's awfully heavy. I'd think that would be rough for the pump to be pushing that around, I'd think you'd see it more at low RPM though.

I can't agree with using it because someone else uses it on their cars. I have a buddy that uses 15w-40 in his Turbodiesel pickup, but I wouldn't run that in my stuff.





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