yea i know how its done.
again, the concept is sound, but to me its like half assing it. LOL now can we please drop it?
we have a difference in opinion, that is all. in the end all of our paint looks good so who cares
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no, never have had issues with clear sticking.. why? because we sand it. I will sand the entire panel with 600grit or 800 grit depending on color/metallic. then i know my paint and clear will stick.. to say blending it is wrong and the correct way is to paint the whole panel is wrong. we are to make it so that it cant be seen(without deep inspection anyway) that the car has been fixed. if we paint just the fender you will notice the color difference between the fender and door, and possible fender to hood.
the whole panel gets clear coated, not just the section of blending in the color.. Breaking clear is a whole other thing and me and the other painter at our shop hate doing it and rarely do. That may be what you are thinking of by half assing it or the clear not sticking. To do a proper blend you blend your color and clear the entire panel.
so tell me something... and be honest.
would you rather see a perfectly matched panel go out of you're shop without the need of blending, or would you rather blend it?
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that may take them 2-3 tries to get the exact same blend to match perfectly. couldn't stay in business that long if they could only do it that way. your talking about painting a panel, clearing it. hoping it matches perfectly, if not sanding and redoing it and hoping again that it matches. best way is to just blend it in once, be done with it and it looks good. i meran if you really want to talk best, you'd say spray the entire car. but thats not likely.
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its friggin near impossible to panel match. BLENDING FTW
now drop this stupid topic.....lol
i am too stubborn to drop it. you know me, guys.
but i am never going to convince you guys otherwise, nor you of me so yes, lets just drop it.
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If you want it to be perfect just PAY a shop, with Known quality work, to paint the Whole Thing. And make agreements for rework if there is noticeable defect beforehand. Otherwise quit trying to say "My new paint doesn't perfectly match my old paint. Whaa whaa whaa." Duh. There are going to be very few shops who can do perfect blending or perfect panel matching, especially if you don't research the quality of the shop, or if you don't set the expectations by telling them how anal you are, before you give them your car.
my .02
z yaaaa wrote:so tell me something... and be honest.
would you rather see a perfectly matched panel go out of you're shop without the need of blending, or would you rather blend it?
I was going to drop it but after seeing that question figured I'd need to answer
honestly i'd rather blend. it will guarantee a color match and come out as a better repair. I will no way ever really get a perfect match, this could cost me money in a customer not liking their color match if i haven' already tried repainting it 2-3 times like jason said. I rather blend the paint and clear it all and know its going to match. on my car I planned on replacing the pass fender and blending into the door and hood. then I had more damage happen and other stuff come up and decided to wait on doing anything and fix it all at once. but blending is more preference as i planned on doing it on my car as well..
welcome to answer any more questions you may have..
ok but if it already matches why blend?
i mean if you feel you can match perfectly as you said...
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I'd like to discuss powdercoating too, and whether it penetrates the metal.
i blend it because the color isnt 100% going to look the same.. like i explained earlier the spraying techniques alone can change the shade and flop of colors.. and the odds of me getting a perfect match by panel painting is rare. guess i don't see where your quoting from but i'm almost positive that is what i was saying about that. the perfect match is by blending.
LOL joe... go premium if wanna do that. you're going to need a lot more than 100 posts.
stephen, its whatever man. you do it you're way and make your money.
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but see that is just it.. its not MY way.. its standard practice in the collision repair field. find me a body shop that matches the color perfectly and panel paints all their cars.. i don't understand why you can't see that blending IS THE RIGHT WAY not just "my way" for making sure our job is done, meaning making it unnoticeable to tell the car was ever in a wreck in the first place. and your never going to get that by panel painting.. period. and its not logical to repaint a entire car for replacing or repairing a hood or fender... I guess i just don't understand where your trying to go with this either.. i don't know. if you care to try to explain your side of this please do. may help me understand what i am trying to argue here lol
One of the fenders on my 98 is a panel paint job. Looked good till I decided to give the car a good polish. Before the polish th efender looked to be the same color in all light conditions. When I was done it had a gray color to it and the door was obviously black.
take it exterior forum then noobs!
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blending is not for me.
ok?
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z yaaaa wrote:blending is not for me.
ok?
lol if you only knew the world of painting bud.
ive seen it done.
with perfectly matched panels no less. no blending required.
reason i say perfectly matched is because if you can get a panel past MY eye thats been painted and matches, you've done a hell of a feat.
just ask the guy who painted my door handles recently. tyler wichers on here.
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z yaaaa wrote:ive seen it done.
with perfectly matched panels no less. no blending required.
reason i say perfectly matched is because if you can get a panel past MY eye thats been painted and matches, you've done a hell of a feat.
just ask the guy who painted my door handles recently. tyler wichers on here.
then your painter is 1 in a million. for the other 999,999 painters out there the best way to achieve a perfectly matching finish is to blend. ask any painter and they will just tell you painting the panel and not blending is the half assed way.
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no. not matching the panel to the original paint in the first place is the half assing way. come on, listen to yourself. option a. paint one panel bolt on and matches. done. option b, paint panel, its off. blend surrounding panels, do a ton more work than necessary. done.
and my painter is a 19 year old college student. if he can match my color i am sure there are lots of places that can.
i WILL say... a lot of cars dont have nice paint so blending would be needed. but newer cars? should be no problem to match the color. if you know wtf you are doing i mean. and any body shop thats working on
my car had better know what they are doing. havent you guys ever heard of test panels or anything during the color matching process? it isnt a freaking guessing game for gods sakes! but like i said.. i will admit there are colors that are just retarded to match, so i will agree... blending would be the best option for those colors that would take way too much work to match, the metal flaked stuff and whatnot.
ive had body shops tell me that they dont want my business because i am too anal. so there you are.
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your @!#$s white.. it has no reflection to how good a painter is to panel paint white. its like you trying to compare jason's silver to anthonys black hood. worlds apart.
z yaaaa wrote:ive had body shops tell me that they dont want my business because i am too anal. so there you are.
we have had those customers too.. we like to refer to them as people who think they know wtf there talking about but dont.
Stephen (manta z) wrote:z yaaaa wrote:ive had body shops tell me that they dont want my business because i am too anal. so there you are.
we have had those customers too.. we like to refer to them as people who think they know wtf there talking about but dont.
you know what? @!#$ you. i was trying to keep this civil but you can kindly go to hell.
mr know it all? how bout you stop running you're mouth and show us some of you're so called expert blending jobs so i can see?
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sndsgood wrote:i wouldn't let a shop touch my car that just wants to paint the panel and be done. if they arn't panel blending i would walk away. simple as that.
paint is diffrent, every batch of paint is diffrent even when mixed by machines paint comes out diffrent.
oh yeah? do you really want me to go dig up the pictures of you're un-matching panels? because i can. you didnt have @!#$ blended you're first few paint tries. you're hypocrisy scares baby Jesus.
hey stephen, how bout you get some more of you're 'girls' together and come in to agree with you?
yeah paint is different jason, thats why you do test panels for matching. you dont spray, then say omg it doesnt match then go try again.
a computer can get you pretty close, thats why you have the human eye to help out afterwards.
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