judgez24 wrote:how is the parking brake engaged on the gm cars with rear disks? i know a couple of aftermarket kits iv seen for different cars there a shoe assembly that goes inside of the rotor and that is what used as the parking brake, im sure thats not the case for most vehcles but rather somthing built into the caliper that engages the brake pads. ill have to do some more research before i choose what caliper im gonna end up with.
anywyas, thanks for the info man, if you wanna add me to msn so we can brainstorm a little feel free to do so, turbocav@hotmail.com
I don't have MSN.
I'm 2706682 on ICQ if you've got it.
I think, actually, that for most cars with rear discs, the integrated drum IS the standard ebrake mechanism. While it's nothing to write home about from a performance perspective, the drum brake mechanism is perfectly suited for a mechanically operated parking brake due to it's ability to apply more and more braking force as the car tries to move. Having a cable pull closed a disc brake caliper has no such abilities and will actually work less and less if the car is forced to move.
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thanks guy, i actually meant 1/4 inch, used a period by mistake, the only way to do this is by trial and error after i have something setup, so ill see where this goes, i do know that 3/16's is way too thin though for a brake setup, unless i used some really heavy duty high speed steel for it, but that wont work, ill figure something out, no doubt about that, unless the car is completely slammed it wont rub a fender with an extra half inch or so.
im gonna look more into how some other cars have a parking brake setup and then see if i can copy the design, worst case scenario, and i dont want it to come to this, i make adrum brake setup inside of the rotor, id hate to do that because its just that much more work, or do what ford did on the escort cosworth, use a small secondary caliper for the parking brake only, but thats too much right there, ill get somehting
and i dont use icq, i switched over to msn and vowed never to be sucked in by icq again, lol
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hey kevin,you remember how thick the plate was for your rear brake setup? and also how is your parking brake controlled, the shoe and drum thing or is it integrated into the rotor?
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The bracket it pretty thick. Probably around 5/8ths or so, though that's just off the top of my head.
The caliper has a built-in parking brake mechanism so there's no integrated drum. The caliper is from a 3rd gen f-body I think, though there's a few others that use a similar design.
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ok sweet thanks man, ill see what i can track down at the wreckers next time im out, might go this week, , id really prefer to avoid having to use the drum setup.
5/8's is what i was thinking of using, its a hair under a half inch thicker than the stock bracket which is prefect and what i was hoping to get the back wheels to come out to aswell. oh man i love when things come together
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Fieros have a caliper e-brake. That was my plan- stock bearing, Saab plate, Fiero caliper, and whatever rotor will fit. I just need to find the right size rotor now.
A spot caliper from Wilwood (like the Escort) is under $100, so you may decide to go that route too. If you're not worried about adding another 1/2", you could always just use the entire Saab brake setup (of course you would need dual pattern wheels, the Saab is 5x110) and not have to build anything since it all bolts right up.
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if i remember the ION redline has the same lug pattern as the saab's , which means the ss cobalt will also
and if i remember correctly is a odd size
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James Cahill wrote:Fieros have a caliper e-brake. That was my plan- stock bearing, Saab plate, Fiero caliper, and whatever rotor will fit. I just need to find the right size rotor now.
A spot caliper from Wilwood (like the Escort) is under $100, so you may decide to go that route too. If you're not worried about adding another 1/2", you could always just use the entire Saab brake setup (of course you would need dual pattern wheels, the Saab is 5x110) and not have to build anything since it all bolts right up.
I don't think any dual pattern wheel would work for this. All the "universal" ones I've seen are 5x100 and 5x114.7. 5x110 is a pretty odd size.
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thanks for the info guys, i htink between all of us we can figure out a cheap setup thatll work for all of our cars.
im gonna be getting my hands on a rear axle from a 2nd gen as soon as my 3rd gen bracket is done and im gonna make a bracket for the 2nd gen to fit the same parts i used on my third gen.
im not really too worried about hwat rotor im gonna use, thats gonna be easy to find, my thing is i wanna find a caliper and then build around that, a rotor is last of my worries, the bracket is gonna be a joke to make aswell.
iim going to the wreckers today and im gonna "borrow" a bunch of stuff and see what fitts and what doesnt and what needs to be modified and how
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judgez24 wrote:im gonna be getting my hands on a rear axle from a 2nd gen as soon as my 3rd gen bracket is done and im gonna make a bracket for the 2nd gen to fit the same parts i used on my third gen.
The bearing is exactly the same from 92-04, so you won't even have to pick up a 2nd gen axle, the pattern is the same. But thats cool, at least someone is thinking of us 2nd genners!
WW- I was thinking the same thing.....5x110 is a weird size, but I have seen some dual pattern wheels for it. Nothing any of us would really ever want though, mostly stock looking stuff.
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well i used to own a 2nd gen, some guys showed some interest and no one has anything for them so i figured if i cna get my kit to work why not make something for the second gen guys
anyways, here are todays findings, maybe you guys can throw in some input to this.
unless things change im gonna stick witht he fiero real caliper and rotor. now i went scavanging today and it was the best i could find, basically what i like is the fact its got sht eparking brake built into it which makes everything alot easier and its a gm car. now heres the first problem, the rear bearing assembly is too big, so i was thinking of throwing a bearing fron the front onto the back, the only visible difference is the diameter of the wheel the studs sit in, i need to go back and grab that rotor from the fiero aswell so i can get some more comparison and get somethign started.
now heres the second problem, if i do run the fiero caliper, ill have to run a fiero rotor, which looks to be almost exactly the same size as the front of the 3rd gens, buts it a good bit thinner, meaning no ribbing between the 2 sides. now seeing as msot of the brakjing and weight is over the front wheels i dont think this will afect the brakes as in heating up or anything, if a fiero with an engine mounted infrono fht eback wheels can use this setup i dont see why a car with less weight cant. now im gonna swap over the front hub onto the rear and hope that the rotor fits over it, if not, then oh well, @!#$ happens and ill start again with something else. also one other thing, the way this is looking, once the front bearing goes onto the back theres gonna be n more abs in the back. which to me doesnt matter, i dont run abs i nmy car anways an itll give me an excuse to remove the thing entirely.
anyways, let me know what your thoughts are on this, hopefully by the end of the week ill have something going together, a prototype so to speak, and the bracket will be 5/8's inch steel. jsut need to find a good grade of it and il lbe all set, for the time being itll be a sheetmetal bracket jsut for the mockup. ill get some pictures up once i get things all apart
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been doing some more reading, im really thinking of making the rear brakes bigger than what i originally want ed to, im gonna se ehow the rear hub assembly fromthe fiero will work and take things from there, even the front hub since theres no chance of it seperating, also if that doesnt work then definatly gonna grab an f body caliper and work it out from there. the bracket is gonna be simple to make, i have access to alot of machines and anything i cant do ill get one o the other guys to help me with or do for me.
right now the big thing is fitting a rotor over the hub overself, after that i can start making the bracket
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judgez24 wrote:now heres the second problem, if i do run the fiero caliper, ill have to run a fiero rotor, which looks to be almost exactly the same size as the front of the 3rd gens, buts it a good bit thinner, meaning no ribbing between the 2 sides. now seeing as msot of the brakjing and weight is over the front wheels i dont think this will afect the brakes as in heating up or anything, if a fiero with an engine mounted infrono fht eback wheels can use this setup i dont see why a car with less weight cant.
I think 89 (not sure of the year) Fiero GTs had vented rotors from the factory. Check out www.fierostore.com, they have some aftermarket rotors available.
judgez24 wrote:now im gonna swap over the front hub onto the rear and hope that the rotor fits over it, if not, then oh well, @!#$ happens and ill start again with something else. also one other thing, the way this is looking, once the front bearing goes onto the back theres gonna be n more abs in the back. which to me doesnt matter, i dont run abs i nmy car anways an itll give me an excuse to remove the thing entirely.
I toyed around with the idea of the Fiero front hub with the Fiero rear calipers and rotors, since the Fiero front hubs are the same style (non-driven) as our rears. I'm guessing since the rotor is the same front/rear on the Fiero, that you can use a front hub with a rear caliper with no issues.
judgez24 wrote:anyways, let me know what your thoughts are on this, hopefully by the end of the week ill have something going together, a prototype so to speak, and the bracket will be 5/8's inch steel. jsut need to find a good grade of it and il lbe all set, for the time being itll be a sheetmetal bracket jsut for the mockup. ill get some pictures up once i get things all apart
I would love to see pics! I'm gonna tell juicedz4 to get in on this thread. Both of us have been tossing around ideas for a few months now, but neither of us have had a chance to really get anything done. He knows the Fiero specs, so he'll have some good input.
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thats awsome james, im gonna grab the hub assembly form the wreckers hopefully tihs week and see what itll take to bolt onto the rear axle i have. if it bolts righ up thits thing is gonna be a joke to make.
and knowing that the front and rear are identical just made things so much easier, unless i turned the hub assembly theres no way i could have fit a rotor overtop of it, nothing i was looking at anyways.
man i love when things come together
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one more thing, if i can get to the scrapyard before the end of the week, hopefully hes sitll gonna be open, ill have pics up for the weekend, wont be anything special, thin metal bracket for now to get anidea of how everything will sit and itll let me perfect the bracket without trial and error on a piece of steel
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so today we got somewhere beteween 8 and 10 inches of snow, and now its raining, i really doubt ill even be able to find the same fiero let alone work on it in this weather, lol, gonna have to wait unti lthe new year before i can get anything done for sure. unless its nice tomorrow and the guys there of course, which knowing him is a possibility
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James Cahill wrote:Fieros have a caliper e-brake. That was my plan- stock bearing, Saab plate, Fiero caliper, and whatever rotor will fit. I just need to find the right size rotor now.
A spot caliper from Wilwood (like the Escort) is under $100, so you may decide to go that route too. If you're not worried about adding another 1/2", you could always just use the entire Saab brake setup (of course you would need dual pattern wheels, the Saab is 5x110) and not have to build anything since it all bolts right up.
i may still go with the caliper from wilwood or visit bicknell since theyre only 5 minutes away from me, it all comes down to if the fiero hub fits or not, if it doesnt ill visit bicknell and see what they have thats the size i want and maybe even the same bolt pattern <br>
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