I am going to be doing an Ecotec swap in the future. I am looking in to what I can do to it. I have been investigating if a 2.2 Ecotec could be converted to a supercharged 2.0.
Since the block & bore size is exactly the same, my assessment is that it can be done. Of course it would not be cheap, but possible.
After some searching I come to find that it'll cost around $4500(dealer), and not to mention alot of work.
My question, would it be cheaper to get an aftermarket S.C.?
If so, would that S.C. be better performing than the GM one?
Why not buy an 2.0 Eco Short Block for less than that. The 2.0L has some stuff that your 2.2 does not have. Like stronger internals and oil jets.
Actually there is more differences...
The pistons and rods are different than ours. They can handle up to 400 HP.
It's better to just buy the package when it comes out for the 2.0 supercharged motor if you really want to convert it to a 2.0
I personally think that when the 2.2 Supercharger comes out it will push more power than the 2.0 supercharged motor...my opinion though.
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NJs Honda Killa wrote:Actually there is more differences...
The pistons and rods are different than ours. They can handle up to 400 HP.
It's better to just buy the package when it comes out for the 2.0 supercharged motor if you really want to convert it to a 2.0
I personally think that when the 2.2 Supercharger comes out it will push more power than the 2.0 supercharged motor...my opinion though.
until people start tweaking the hell out of the 2.0 engines
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Viper98912 wrote:NJs Honda Killa wrote:Actually there is more differences...
The pistons and rods are different than ours. They can handle up to 400 HP.
It's better to just buy the package when it comes out for the 2.0 supercharged motor if you really want to convert it to a 2.0
I personally think that when the 2.2 Supercharger comes out it will push more power than the 2.0 supercharged motor...my opinion though.
until people start tweaking the hell out of the 2.0 engines
isn't the 2.2l supercharger kit rated 40 hp less than the 2.0L
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isn't the 2.2l supercharger kit rated 40 hp less than the 2.0L
the 2.0 supercharged is rated about 210 HP, I'm sure that a supercharged 2.2 can do more than 170 HP crank. There really is no rating out and the ones that have been spoken about I don't think is true. I'm not worried cause I'm not stock
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First off, I love how a 5 sentence post can be totally misread. I never said anything about differences. I said the block and bore is the same nothing else. Meaning if you went to the dealership an ordered an LJS(SC2.0) block; the part # for it is the exact same as a L61(2.2Eco).
No joke the internals are different. I never said there were or weren't the same. Once again I will state that a little reading is nesecarry before posting.
I work for Saturn, I think I know that the engines are different. Besides the price I posted was for ALL the internals (down to the stupid oil baffler), ECM, IM, and supercharger, oil pan(which is different), & a few other things I don't feel like listing.
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Since the block & bore size is exactly the same
Excuse me...when you say that the BLOCK is exactly the same, I'm kind of going to assume you mean whats inside the block also.
and to answer you question, it would be cheaper to just supercharger your 2.2 ECO
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Sorry if I was sounding f'ed up. I should've elaborated on it a little more. Block to me is just that, an empty block.
Thanks for letting me know it would be cheaper.
What about building up the internals, but not doing the supercharger. Would that make any gains or would it be pointless, without the SC?
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What about building up the internals, but not doing the supercharger. Would that make any gains or would it be pointless, without the SC?
You mean like going all motor?
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Tearing the 2.2 block down. Then buying the crank, pistons, rods, head, intake manifold, & misc things(bearings, rings, etc). Then build up the motor as a N/A motor without supercharging. So, basically a 2.0 w/out SC. I would port head, get oversize valves & better roller followers(if possible).
I guess what I'm asking is, would that motor be a better performing motor than say just building it up as the 2.2?
If built as 2.0, later on get the supercharger and maybe newer mods that might come out by then.
Xian G wrote:Tearing the 2.2 block down. Then buying the crank, pistons, rods, head, intake manifold, & misc things(bearings, rings, etc). Then build up the motor as a N/A motor without supercharging. So, basically a 2.0 w/out SC. I would port head, get oversize valves & better roller followers(if possible).
I guess what I'm asking is, would that motor be a better performing motor than say just building it up as the 2.2?
If built as 2.0, later on get the supercharger and maybe newer mods that might come out by then.
Ok, I understand what your saying. I would think that the higher displacement would benefit you more if your going to go all motor. Like you said, it's the same block so why waste your money on buying the same block you have now?
If you really want to go all motor than keep your stock motor and upgrade it.
Honestly, you'll probably gain more power by supercharging your 2.2 and spend less money on parts and labor all together.
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Thanks for the input. I think I'll do just that. Build it up as a 2.2L.
except you forget the drag engine is 2.0 for a reason and not a 2.2
it handle high revs better
all they need to do is bump up the rev limiter and they will make more power
they were destroked to handle boost better. Hard to compare a turbo drag car to a car that is all motor.
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If you went all motor on a 2.0 then you would lose some of your torque off of the line . That is unless you go with a performance cam , but you could get better results using the same cam in a 2.2 .
If you were to S/C the 2.0 then you could do something with it . With the shorter stroke the engine would rev quicker compared to the 2.2 . But if you were going to be that far into the engine then blue print and balance the engine . Pick up forged internals and raise the boost on the S/C .
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Thanks for the input all.
I think I'll just build up the 2.2 internals, and not do the 2.0 SC.
if you want to build a na engine id go w/ the 2.4
Yea, but I have gotten a ecotec with under 1k miles for free. It just needs either a new head gasket or new head. The perks of working at a dealership. Either way i was going to port, polish, 3angle valve job, and oversize the valves.
I planned on getting new internals for it too.
I was thinking of boring it over, but I heard ecotecs are sleeved cylinders. So, now I'm not sure.
Also theres a chance that my ECM/PCM might only need to be reflashed. Since ecotecs were in late 2002s.
With a 2.4, I'm pretty sure I would need a new ECM/PCM. Also, I didn't think 2.4 was all aluminum, is it?
