John Lenko wrote:Speaking of fools 
Exactly HOW did you put more air in the engine?
an electric supercharger
2006 Black Cobalt SS Supercharged G85
13.91@102.77
What amazes me is...
2001 civic with a 1.8... never happened
No civic ever had a 1.8, and the only one that had dohc vtec was teh Si. The new Si's are 2.0L.
Your speaking of the GSR which is not tons faster then the 2.4
^^ good point, its funny how all of a sudden 1.8 L civics exists. Now in terms of the eco vs 2.4 both engines are relativly good, however in terms of technology the eco > then 2.4L first of all its an all aluminum block vs the 2.4 which is iron also eco has better internals and can take a bit more stock vs stock then the 2.4. Now the 2.4L is obviously a bigger engine but for that extrat .2L of displacement it only puts out 10 more hp then the eco which tells u there is a problem, if honda manages to make 20 more h.p when comparing their 1.8 L to their 1.6 L then why doesn't this engine do it? The answer is due to lack of technology. In short the eco is a much more technologically advanced engine and therefore is a better investment.
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'02 Z24
evilCavyz24 wrote:^^ good point, its funny how all of a sudden 1.8 L civics exists. Now in terms of the eco vs 2.4 both engines are relativly good, however in terms of technology the eco > then 2.4L first of all its an all aluminum block vs the 2.4 which is iron also eco has better internals and can take a bit more stock vs stock then the 2.4. Now the 2.4L is obviously a bigger engine but for that extrat .2L of displacement it only puts out 10 more hp then the eco which tells u there is a problem, if honda manages to make 20 more h.p when comparing their 1.8 L to their 1.6 L then why doesn't this engine do it? The answer is due to lack of technology. In short the eco is a much more technologically advanced engine and therefore is a better investment.
Eh?
That's a horrible argument. Comparing Chevy hp/L to Honduh hp/L is totally irrelevant. The 2.4L may be an older engine (obviously) but it's just as capable of power as the Ecotec is.
Sure, I'd go with the Eco now as well, given the parts that are (or hopefully are soon to be) available for it.. but there's nothing wrong with the 2.4L reliability wise, or power wise.
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heres somthing to think about,
2 months ago i was running my car with the GM reflash and SC injectors, with my N\A intake manafold,
the car was slow,
i raced a 02 LS sport, eco with a dynomax muffler,
i won, he said how my car jumped compared to his, i was thinking to my self, damn my car isent as quick as a stock Z,
just food for thought.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
I test both. My 02 4door Z24 and an 03 coupe. Both 4 speed. Sorry but the eco is not even near the 2.4 in performance. Granted some can be fast. I saw a stock 03 run 15.2 with a 5spd but auto VS auto, my 2.4 seem faster. Better response for sure.
Anyway, this is not a 2.4 Vs Eco thread.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
What parts are going to be available for the Eco that aren't for the 2.4? The 2.4 has plenty of bolt ons, and a GM supercharger kit available, so what more will the Eco have available? Base what car you get on which you like better as far as appearance goes. It's not like GM re-styled the interior too. I like the pre-03's best myself, but everyone has different opinions. And "add an intake to the Eco"... so then add one to the 2.4, still equal? No. Unless the Eco respnds better to mods, the 2.4 will always be ahead with the same mods.
Kyle Struble wrote:What parts are going to be available for the Eco that aren't for the 2.4? The 2.4 has plenty of bolt ons, and a GM supercharger kit available, so what more will the Eco have available? Base what car you get on which you like better as far as appearance goes. It's not like GM re-styled the interior too. I like the pre-03's best myself, but everyone has different opinions. And "add an intake to the Eco"... so then add one to the 2.4, still equal? No. Unless the Eco respnds better to mods, the 2.4 will always be ahead with the same mods.
It's not what's available, but how much is available. There is much more support by GM for the ECOTEC motor than there ever was for the 2.4. Yes, GM offered a Supercharger, but look at the charger they offered. It was about 6 psi (something around that area), non intercooled & a reflash (not sure if injectors were included). The new charger kit coming out for the ECOTEC will offer a 10 or 11 psi pulley, Intercooled Manifold, Reflash, Injectors...pretty much everything you need to have it running hard and strong. They might possibly offer a pulley upgrade too.
GM also offers EVERYTHING you need to run whatever amount of power you want to have. I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about a complete booklet, in detail, to run whatever horsepower you want. Also, for alot of the parts they are talking about, they offer.
With that alone support from GM, you really don't need much other companies help but the fact is there is more aftermarket support.
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There is much more support by GM for the ECOTEC motor than there ever was for the 2.4. Yes, GM offered a Supercharger, but look at the charger they offered. It was about 6 psi (something around that area), non intercooled & a reflash (not sure if injectors were included). The new charger kit coming out for the ECOTEC will offer a 10 or 11 psi pulley, Intercooled Manifold, Reflash, Injectors...pretty much everything you need to have it running hard and strong. They might possibly offer a pulley upgrade too.
Don't hold your breath. What us 2.4L owners were first told we'd get in a supercharger kit was a bit better than what we got.. and it took 5 years to get the kit out... I first heard of it in 97.. didn't see one til 2002.
So.. until that Ecotec supercharger is actually available... and moreso than just a part number... wait to see what we actually get before you have us all dreaming
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Lenko, John Lenko wrote:Quote:
There is much more support by GM for the ECOTEC motor than there ever was for the 2.4. Yes, GM offered a Supercharger, but look at the charger they offered. It was about 6 psi (something around that area), non intercooled & a reflash (not sure if injectors were included). The new charger kit coming out for the ECOTEC will offer a 10 or 11 psi pulley, Intercooled Manifold, Reflash, Injectors...pretty much everything you need to have it running hard and strong. They might possibly offer a pulley upgrade too.
Don't hold your breath. What us 2.4L owners were first told we'd get in a supercharger kit was a bit better than what we got.. and it took 5 years to get the kit out... I first heard of it in 97.. didn't see one til 2002.
So.. until that Ecotec supercharger is actually available... and moreso than just a part number... wait to see what we actually get before you have us all dreaming
Your absolutely right Lenko. It did take a long time for that charger to come out but I have a good feeling about it coming out soon because of the fact that I've seen it advertised in magazine (the Pontiac magazine that GM sends out to Pontiac owners), news from the GM workers at the bash & local & also cause because GM actually "cares" about the ECOTEC motor and they know that there is a market behind it being out.
I don't know...that's my gut feeling. I'm giving it end of September...
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I didn't know that, I haven't been reading up on the Eco stuff. Sounds wonderful, if it comes available maybe I'll get an Eco too. So, the Eco must have quite a bit stronger internals than the 2.4 to handle 11+psi (more with a pulley upgrade) stock. I agree the GM SC kit for the 2.4 is very... limiting. I'd like to SC but it makes more sense to turbo if you really want to go somewhere. I'd like to see this new kit for the Eco sometime soon.
Kyle Struble wrote:I didn't know that, I haven't been reading up on the Eco stuff. Sounds wonderful, if it comes available maybe I'll get an Eco too. So, the Eco must have quite a bit stronger internals than the 2.4 to handle 11+psi (more with a pulley upgrade) stock. I agree the GM SC kit for the 2.4 is very... limiting. I'd like to SC but it makes more sense to turbo if you really want to go somewhere. I'd like to see this new kit for the Eco sometime soon.
I'll check my GM Handbook again for the #s it says that our pistons and rods can handle. I know the Crank is good for well over 400 HP...
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Kyle Struble, I just got my GM Handbook out of my car...I'll quote everything it says:
Connecting Rods:
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We recommend that the connecting rods be upgraded because stock rods are not designed for power levels over 250 HP
Pistons:
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The stock 2.2L ECOTEC pistons have been tested to power levels approaching 300 HP. However these pistons should be replaced with a stock forged-type piston for applications over the 300 HP level. JE, Wiseco and Diamond offer pistons in various compression ratios that work for most applications.
Hope this helps you out.
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Also Kyle, this is what it says about the Crankshaft:
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The production 2.2L Crankshaft has been run in drag race applications to over 550 HP with no durability issues
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2.4L ...there is no replacement for displacement. Torque is better on the LD9 2.4L.
I drove an eco...its good but the power band is better onthe 2.4. the eco test drive did not impress me that much.
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2002 Pontiac Sunfire GT 2.4L A4 Silver
Scott wrote:2.4L ...there is no replacement for displacement. Torque is better on the LD9 2.4L.
I drove an eco...its good but the power band is better onthe 2.4. the eco test drive did not impress me that much.
You might not have been impressed but I bet if you took a manual ECO & a manual 2.4 to the track they will run almost the same times.
The only reason I say the ECOTEC is better is because of aftermarket support and will probably be a more durable motor on high mileage than the 2.4
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ok,cool. Yea I drove a M5 eco at a dealer,to see what I may have been missing.
I hear you and I know youre right about the track.
I like almost stock . I drive V8's alot and like LOW END TOUQUE ....thats where the 2.4 is great.
thanks!
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2002 Pontiac Sunfire GT 2.4L A4 Silver
Hey, thanks NJHK. Do you know where I could find this info on the 2.4L? I'm curious to compare the figures. It sounds like the Eco could easily be built for a realiable 300whp d.d.
Kyle Struble wrote:Hey, thanks NJHK. Do you know where I could find this info on the 2.4L? I'm curious to compare the figures. It sounds like the Eco could easily be built for a realiable 300whp d.d.
That's the problem, GM never made any type of official test numbers. Unless you can find someone who personally did tests, your not going to find any info.
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um maybe i over looked it but i notice you guys are talking about just aftermarket parts from GM...but what about from other companies??
