I am just wondering. Does anyone know if the new 2006 2.4 liter engine with the variable valve timing from the new cobalt SS will fit in the 04 or 05 cavaliers? And what is the power on those engines?
yes and no...
yes you can get them in there... but since the TB is fly-by-wire you'll need the etire wire and ecm set up.. not to mention calibrating the fly-by-wire system. you could go stand alone for the engine but the calibration for the TB and other things are gonna mess you up.
i got this from other members here and from one of the GM reps that was at the JCO bash last month.
if you have the time and the money do it.... but the time and money that you spend to get it done you could have a fully built 2.4,2.3, or eco for the same price if not cheaper.
anyone feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
180 HP 177 Torque for the 2.4 Ecotec MMmmmm
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thats really not to impressive. why not spend the money on a turbo kit or blower MADE FOR YOUR CAR.
alot easer and nets more power.
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Chris D wrote:180 HP 177 Torque for the 2.4 Ecotec MMmmmm
wow the #'s keep going up
i thought it was 170 hp
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Taetsch Z24 wrote:^^ thats really not to impressive. why not spend the money on a turbo kit or blower MADE FOR YOUR CAR.
alot easer and nets more power.
Chris
Your correct, it would be much easier to just boost the car.
The only beneficial part for someone to swap a 2.4 motor into the car is if someone is DEADSET on running all motor. Thats the best motor they can run in their Jbody. Having VVT makes a world of a difference and you will start seeing all motor #s like you see with Hondas/Toyota VVT cars...what's even better than those motors is that we have a bigger displacement and more torque, not just horsepower.
Now the downfalls is that if your going to do it, your going to have to somehow find a Cobalt SS that's either wrecked with working motor or buy it from a dealer for a ridiculous price. Then you have to pretty much upgrade by experimenting because no one has worked on this motor before, so everything you do could either work for you or mess up and you have to fix it. For example: Camshaft swap. Say the cam grind doesn't agree with the computer (knowing GM you'll have issues with your VVT and computer), than your in for some time to figure things out.
All in all, the amount your spending on the motor, someone to swap the engine/tranny in, wire it up and get it to run properly...you can have way more power than 180 HP/177 lbs of torque.
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hey Killa aren't you close to that with the new head and cams swapped in?
Cinny wrote:hey Killa aren't you close to that with the new head and cams swapped in?
Probably crank but not to the wheels. My issue is my transmission taking power away from the wheels and also I'm still having slight fuel issues. My top end has gotten better in the top end but I still need to adjust it more.
Hopefully in a month or so that won't matter and I'll be boosted and running way more power than you guys normally see in an Auto...
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couldnt you just swap the TB from a 2.2 ecotec to a 2.4 ecotec?
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It would be easy. Just wait for take outs.
Still going to cost, but no where near a quote on a new crate motor.
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-JaysonZ24- wrote:couldnt you just swap the TB from a 2.2 ecotec to a 2.4 ecotec?
It depends if it is controlled electronically or mechanically. If it is mechanically, I don't see why it wouldn't fit but to be sure someone needs to test fit it.
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NJs Honda Killa wrote:Cinny wrote:hey Killa aren't you close to that with the new head and cams swapped in?
Probably crank but not to the wheels. My issue is my transmission taking power away from the wheels and also I'm still having slight fuel issues. My top end has gotten better in the top end but I still need to adjust it more.
Hopefully in a month or so that won't matter and I'll be boosted and running way more power than you guys normally see in an Auto...
Have you ran that thing at the track yet?
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180 hp and 177 tq is impressive in my book. I love engines that make even numbers in both horsepower and torque. Look at these numbers of a couple engines that honda guys go nuts over and i mean nuts:
GSR
170 hp @ 7600 rpm
Torque 128 ft-lbs @ 6200 rpm
RSX Type S
210 hp @ 7800 rpm
143 ft-lbs @ 7000 rpm
Type R
195 hp @ 8000 rpm
130 ft-lbs @ 7500 rpm
Wow so impresive! Not! But Dang jared the rsx has over 200 hp in a 4 banger. Sure it does, but it also doesnt have enough tq to spin a tooth brush (ok that was lame lol). And it also takes all the way up to 7800 rpm to even hit the 210 mark. I hate engines like those. So to me the 2.4 eco is very impressive. Its making 180 hp all engine when the damn 2.0 supercharged is making only 205/200. To me, not impressive. N E Whoo
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Fire Fighter wrote:NJs Honda Killa wrote:Cinny wrote:hey Killa aren't you close to that with the new head and cams swapped in?
Probably crank but not to the wheels. My issue is my transmission taking power away from the wheels and also I'm still having slight fuel issues. My top end has gotten better in the top end but I still need to adjust it more.
Hopefully in a month or so that won't matter and I'll be boosted and running way more power than you guys normally see in an Auto...
Have you ran that thing at the track yet?
Not since I fixed my fuel issue
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Jared wrote:So to me the 2.4 eco is very impressive. Its making 180 hp all engine when the damn 2.0 supercharged is making only 205/200. To me, not impressive. N E Whoo
Jared, you have to think why the SS has about 210 HP. The 2.0 motor is 9:1 compression, and much smaller displacement than the 2.4. The 2.4 motor is VVT and running a 10.5:1 compression. If the 2.0 motor was all motor, it would probably be at the level of an 2200 motor.
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IZN TRBL wrote:are you making fun of the 2200's?
j/k
Actually I'm not, just stating what the level of power it would be.
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You don't have to use a cobalt ss motor. The saturns have the 2.4vvt in them starting in 06 also. They mass produce the crap out of them, so they will be popping up in the junkyard. As much machining as people do these days, i don't see why someone couldn't machine an cavalier TB right onto the intake. That takes care of drive by wire. My concerns would be wiring harness hookups. It would be sweet if you could use most of the factory wiring, then buy a controller to do the cam swap-over, like the honda guys. Imagine having the 2.4 displacement, plus the VVT, then adding boost, MMMM.
A good friend of mine had a turbo type R. They are like 11:1. He ran 8 psi on it, and never had any problems. It didn't dyno alot more hp than stock, but it realy bumped up his trq. It was a very fast car.
Just my thoughts.
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Rob wrote:You don't have to use a cobalt ss motor. The saturns have the 2.4vvt in them starting in 06 also. They mass produce the crap out of them, so they will be popping up in the junkyard. As much machining as people do these days, i don't see why someone couldn't machine an cavalier TB right onto the intake. That takes care of drive by wire. My concerns would be wiring harness hookups. It would be sweet if you could use most of the factory wiring, then buy a controller to do the cam swap-over, like the honda guys. Imagine having the 2.4 displacement, plus the VVT, then adding boost, MMMM.
A good friend of mine had a turbo type R. They are like 11:1. He ran 8 psi on it, and never had any problems. It didn't dyno alot more hp than stock, but it realy bumped up his trq. It was a very fast car.
Just my thoughts.
The issue I would have with doing that type of swap is if the computer would work correctly with all the sensors as far as if there are more sensors on the saturn or not. By time the 06 Saturn comes out, there will be mass production of the SS's with 2.4 VVTs out and probably start ending up in junk yards but remember, they are fairly new motor and if you can get one not damaged from a wreck, your pretty lucky.
I agree with you on the wire harness issue. Right now it's a toss up. We pretty much have to wait and see if someone has the balls to attempt it (which my friend is seriously thinking about doing).
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I think there will be many more saturns than cobalt ss sedans though. As far as sensors, I am guessing it will be very close. They are both delta platform I believe. They are even moving the ION line to the same plant as the cobalts. I live near the saturn plant, and they had an article in the paper. I mostly mentioned usign the saturn engine beacuse I saw 20 ions last month on the car lot, and I would say I counted 14-16 of them with the 2.4 option. I even drove one. Pretty peppy, the cam swap is not as noticeable as the 2zz toyota cam swap, that thing feels like a nos shot. It was still nice though. They could not tell me if they would be optioned with a 5 speed or not. I am guessing it would be much easier to get the engine from a saturn donor car due to production numbers. More than likely, there are already a few thousand saturn 2.4's out.
I would like a good right-up on putting one of those in a cavy. It would be nice if it was a good straight forward swap for an eco-J. The mpg on the ion 2.2 and the 2.4 was the same also, not bad for gaining 30hp.
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its funny not 1 person has posted the right power rating on the 2.4
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan™)]its funny not 1 person has posted the right power rating on the 2.4
All I said is gaining 30hp. regular eco has 140hp+/- the sticker on the saturn said 170hp I believe. That is about 30hp in my book? I am not going to care if it is 167/170/175/ whatever, It is all going to depend on what day of the week it was made on anyhow. I have driven ecos and seen night and day differences. They were all stock and had about 6-20 miles on them. Have driven a few used ones, tey vary just as much.
Either way, you are goign into a whole new realm of performance just by having the cam swap over. This means a custom cam can have a decent grind for 100-4000 rpm, and then in lift it can have a very aggresive cam. Probably why the 2.4 doesn't require premium (pretty sure it doesn't), like most other vvt engines. WHen it goes into lift, it is a very small increase, at least it was in the ION. I could be wrong on the octane ratings, but I am pretty sure on the ION, there was no indication to use premium fuel.
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