I have a break down on my Talon of what everything in the car weights. From the tranny, engine, to the front and rear seats to rear view mirrors. I wish they had something like that for the cav. You'd be suprised how much a passanger seat weights. My back seat weights almost 100lbs.
You are so close if you remove the backseat and take a @!#$ before the race you'll hit 12's haha.
Good luck man. Keep us posted I wanna see a cav on stock internals hit 12's
Don't worry, you will. Other's have done it, and apparently I won't be the first on juice either. I still want to have the fastest time on stock internals though. So it looks like 12.8 is the number to beat on stock internals.
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I dunno what fastest talon on stock internals is, but I'm sure it'll be pretty hard to beat lol. I know if I wanna run the fastest time i've gotta beat 8.7.
Right now i'm just worried about breaking into the 13's no matter how I get thre. I'm pretty sure i'm there just gotta hit the track.
If I want to have the fastest J-body, I have to break into the 6's
And that's not counting the RWD conversion J-bods, let alone the RWD V8 conversions.
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Nitro wrote:If I want to have the fastest J-body, I have to break into the 6's And that's not counting the RWD conversion J-bods, let alone the RWD V8 conversions.
Well, I meant streetable. The drag cars dont count too much, lol.
Lol, I l know, just messing with you.
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Good Luck Dude, Hope you break into the 12s with out breaking anything!
its funny cause these are the same motors from years ago... and they are still stock.. yet they are getting faster and faster, as people get braver and braver.. hell if you would of said Im going to get into the 12s with the stock internals people would of said it was impossible.. and people today still have doubts!
Again Hope you get into the 12s and do it safely!! Good Luck
-DJ
Will do, DJ, thanks!
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DJ go hide under the CF trunk lid and cry after you get rained on. lol
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John Higgins wrote:I went to Rick kings house back in December to pick up his car (
), and he told me and my friend then he did hit 12's on the factory motor with a 125 shot. Like a 12.8. I think he said 105, or 106 mph. That motor had over 900 passes with nitrous. It later went and he then built it, and had his fire.
That guy is so full of @!#$ its not even funny. I used to talk to him a lot on AIM a long time ago when i was was running N2O. It seemed like every time i talked to him he'd change his story or forget what he had already told me and then tell me completely different details the next time we talked. All that BS on top of the fact he didn't seem like he knew what he was even talking about in the first place. The story i most consistantly got from him was that he ran a 12.8 with a 125 shot on a FULLY BUILT motor (which he blew up on its 2nd run) and full slicks that he borrowed from a friend but couldn't remember what size they were.
Nitro, i don't think you have to worry about beating Rick King's lies....
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I still remember when his best claim was 13.6 on the 100 shot. And he would challenge anyone to beat him on street tires. I learned alot of good info from him, but I got a similar impression from him the way he was always changing the details. Either way, I'm gonna try to beat 12.8 without a built bottom end. If I don't, I'll at least have a hell of a time trying.
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Nitro, not to be negative but you're pushing the limits and you know it. Have you thought about if you blow the motor?
Do you have any plans for a rebuild?
JuicedDSM(AKA RedAssassin) wrote:Nitro, not to be negative but you're pushing the limits and you know it. Have you thought about if you blow the motor?
Do you have any plans for a rebuild?
I do not think you run nitroous and not think that at some point the motor is going to go.
Nitro is a smart guy and study's what he does.
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John Higgins wrote:JuicedDSM(AKA RedAssassin) wrote:Nitro, not to be negative but you're pushing the limits and you know it. Have you thought about if you blow the motor?
Do you have any plans for a rebuild?
I do not think you run nitroous and not think that at some point the motor is going to go.
Nitro is a smart guy and study's what he does.
I don't remember saying he wasn't smart or anything else. I just simply asked what his plans may be if he does blow the motor. A stock rebuild, forged internals, a motor swap maybe?
Hmmmmm, motor swap, hmmmmmm. Actually, probably a run of the mill rebuild with a few changes here and there. I'm thinking about eagle rods, forged pistons, balance shaft removal, and maybe an 086 head, but I haven't decided on that yet because I hear they are prone to cracking. But If I can't ante up the dough for that, I'm probably gonna do a 3800 non SC'ed swap.
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I vote for the built 2.4.
I want to use Eagle rods in my motor when I rebuild it also.
I am thinking about doing the laughing gas on my eco and am getting closer to getting it everyday. The latest thing that is helping my decision is that I am seeing eco's with 10,00-30,000 miles on them going for less than $1000 on ebay and in junkyards in some states. That is not a huge price for a motor although it is more than I can spend right now.
I have 110% faith that you'll hit 12's no sweat at all on a stock bottom end. just keep things on the safe side and dont get cawky and you'll be good ta go homie!
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well just thought id add my nitrous stories, my actual best time on the juice is only a 14.3
However that was on a slipping clutch and and all stock engine besides a muffler and CAI. Over last winter i had the head completely ported and polished, larger valves, titanium valve springs etc, ported intake manifold. Also had custom cams ground, similar to that of the w41 camshafts, of course this also required modification of the cam carriers, but also added full 2.25 exhaust, header, high flow cat, 62mm tb, 2.3 crank pulley, and spec stage 3 clutch and flywheel. I am running stock internals, but does beefing it up with an ARP bottom end make me a cheater? I havent had a chance to get to the track yet but i'd like to see what the car will run on the 75 shot. Any ideas what it might run if i can hook up nitro? In abot a month im going to be running this same setup but with the GM s/c and most likely a 35 shot of juice. Chances are i'll never use the juice, but i figure seeing that its all installed in the car might as well keep it for visual effect, the kids love the bottle
It all depends on your driving, and whether or not the ECM accepts those cams. I'm thinking it'll run worse with those cams in, because it's too much cam for the stock ECM.
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sorry nitro i forgot to mention i had my ecm reflashed this spring. One of my good friends is the mechanic at a local gm dealership, it's nice to have connections. The reflash seemed to help the car out a ton, but im still sure it would be even better if it were tuned on the dyno, but that will be coming later this summer after the supercharger install.
just up the shot and pray for good luck
might be worth it.
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jimmyc99z24 wrote:sorry nitro i forgot to mention i had my ecm reflashed this spring. One of my good friends is the mechanic at a local gm dealership, it's nice to have connections. The reflash seemed to help the car out a ton, but im still sure it would be even better if it were tuned on the dyno, but that will be coming later this summer after the supercharger install.
lol....... I was also a mechanic at a GM dealership....... and while they can re-flash PCMs...... they cant make 'custom' re-flashes for you. All a GM tech can do is re-flash with STOCK programs....... the only exception being the 00+ S/C re-flash. Maybe your friend should enlighten us on how he came up with a custom re-flash for your application?
I'm just impressed to see my 12.8 times held up for so long....... going on a 1.5 years....... although it wasnt on N2O.....
I did run a few passes with a 100 shot....... the 02 quick 8....... Damn missed shift, rev limiter, and racing against Curtis Walker....... was good enough for 3rd (2nd best 1/4 time of the day).......
Mr. King used to feed me all kinds of BS also..... never the same story...... never the same ending. Any time you asked about some sort of technical ? about his car, he babbled on for 20mins about other sheit.
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