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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:25 AM
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Cody Star wrote:

evilmonkitar wrote:

i guess ill start the guessing now, ~240ish whp/ ~260ish wtq


im pretty sure wade made 217 whp with m45 iirc
so only gain 23 whp from m62 with and extra 6-7 psi?


23whp is a good gain


Wade, i would dyno with your exhaust on first, then with it off, to see if you lose any power with it off



12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:46 PM

evilmonkitar wrote:

Cody Star wrote:

evilmonkitar wrote:

i guess ill start the guessing now, ~240ish whp/ ~260ish wtq


im pretty sure wade made 217 whp with m45 iirc
so only gain 23 whp from m62 with and extra 6-7 psi?


23whp is a good gain


Wade, i would dyno with your exhaust on first, then with it off, to see if you lose any power with it off



Wade Jarvis wrote:

I plan on dynoing the car as it sits with it's completly stock save for the header exhaust and then with the cat lopped off so the only exhaust is the header and downpipe. I am really curious what kind of power I can gain by changing the exhaust.






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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:21 PM
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ah misread that.

if i remember right someone posted up they lost power without exhaust. it was a while ago so i dont recall exactly



12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:48 PM
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videos



8 psi with m62 and IAT under 100
Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:23 PM
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Nukkinfuttz wrote:

7000 RPMs
Stock LD9 Crank pulley = 6.5"
M62 Pulley = 2.9"

Drive pulley ratio = 2.241 ( Good grief!)

7000 x 2.241= 15689 RPMs at the blower

15700 RPM = 500 CFM's

500 CFMs x .7 = 350HP at crank shaft Pre SC draw.
M62 Drive loss = 50HP'ish
Final Crank HP = 300
300 x .85 = 255 WHP

In a 2800lbs car, that will be good for 105.3 MPH 1/4mi pass.

I'll speculate a very low 13.xx with moderate traction.



WIth the older GenII... but the newer Gen IV is 15-20% more efficient.....

.....

Time will tell all with this, get it tuned, spin it around 17500, and have fun.

Chris




'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01 MAR 08
205FWHP, 210FWTQ, STOCK PULLY
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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:27 PM
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cool project for sure.

here are my thoughts.

No iat sensor placement. You payed how many thousand$ for this set up?

You have everything else modded but dont want to relocate the battery? come on, that looks like $hit hanging off there like that. All that extra work that went into that little elbow (good welding b.t.w).

phenolic spacer. Brian when he was exploited came up with this way back when (after i was showing him stuff about Hondas). So all that work and you are going to rip it off just to put that on? Chances are it is going to leak. Why not hook up the meth injection( 99% of it is there) .
You space that S/C off the head 3/8th- 1/2 inch more with that phenolic spacer and your t/b contraption is going to hit the battery. Might have enough clearence by the raditor support and not sure how much flex the i/c pipes have.


I dont think it will break 250whp.


Have you dont a boost leak test on the set up? (should have been done when it left the shop).


good luck and keep us updated!




Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:33 PM
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ok so they are efficent to 17500 then what pulley and spinning to 6750 rpms will i need i have a 2.8 and a 2.6



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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:42 PM
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.......................

Enter the over drive crank pulley...


Chris




'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01 MAR 08
205FWHP, 210FWTQ, STOCK PULLY
Team GREEN

Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:48 PM

Jake wrote:

cool project for sure.

here are my thoughts.

No iat sensor placement. You payed how many thousand$ for this set up?

You have everything else modded but dont want to relocate the battery? come on, that looks like $hit hanging off there like that. All that extra work that went into that little elbow (good welding b.t.w).

phenolic spacer. Brian when he was exploited came up with this way back when (after i was showing him stuff about Hondas). So all that work and you are going to rip it off just to put that on? Chances are it is going to leak. Why not hook up the meth injection( 99% of it is there) .
You space that S/C off the head 3/8th- 1/2 inch more with that phenolic spacer and your t/b contraption is going to hit the battery. Might have enough clearence by the raditor support and not sure how much flex the i/c pipes have.


I dont think it will break 250whp.


Have you dont a boost leak test on the set up? (should have been done when it left the shop).


good luck and keep us updated!


I apreciate you telling me exactly how you feel about it.

I payed $1,500 to Brian. No doubt it should have had a place for the IAT sensor. All kits from here on out will have it.

Mounting the battery in the trunk would have been a better idea. Hindsight is 20/20.

As for the phenolic spacer I let it be known from the git go that it was important to me that there be one between the head and manifold. With the design of this manifold there is not room for it between the manifold and head. I have to rip it all off anyway to replace the wire that goes from the starter to the alt. Go ahead and ask Chris and Tom about that. So I will be taking it apart to fix that not to install a spacer in that location.

If I do get a spacer it will likely go between the manifold and supercharger. I do plan on hooking up the meth injection although the port injects it after the supercharger so is does nothing for keeping the supercharger cool.

I have no doubt it will break 250whp. I guess time will prove one of us right and one of us wrong.

A boost leak test was done by Brian before I picked the car up...not sure what made you think there were any issues related to boost leaks. I have also gone at it with a can of brake cleaner to check for vaccum leaks.




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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:00 PM

FAIL

I keep forgetting that you can't edit the post one you insert a photobucket link or it breaks the link. Videos will be up in a few minutes.




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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:24 PM

From a roll in 1st gear


From a roll in 2nd gear


3rd gear pull


On ramp (this video would have been great had it hooked up right away)


Another pull from second





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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:50 PM
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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:50 PM
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Nice. I see you are getting a misfire in the upper speeds. What is your plug gapping?



MD Motorsports



Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:01 PM
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8 psi with m62 and IAT under 100
Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:21 PM

She sure whines...can't want to see some dyno numbers



Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:00 PM
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hehe.

i am still on the fence if it really is louder than the good ole m45 though...

m62 is definitely louder at idle, no question. thing sounds like a damn jet at idle.



I must confess... I feel like a monster!
Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:07 PM

John Higgins wrote:

Nice. I see you are getting a misfire in the upper speeds. What is your plug gapping?


I can't remember if it is .045 or .050 either way I can close the gap a little. It does not really feel like it is blowing out spark though.



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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:15 PM
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Awesome!



Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:07 PM
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.030 is what should be ran. That is too high of a gap you currently have.

Not coming off as a hater, just stating my thoughts.

Boost leak test- was just curious if one was done to make sure it is 100% before you got it.

Now i have high speed internet i can watch these movies. Two thumbs up from me.

Keep us updated on the #'s. I still say not over 250. Hope you prove me wrong.


Why is the check engine light on?



anyways, keep us updated




Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:04 PM
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.045 is way too big of a gap, gap them to .030 like jake suggests. i gapped mine to .030 from .045 and i stopped getting upper RPM misfires like you have.

try this if it will fit:
http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=970&catid=174

i agree with jake, ~250ish whp. but like chris said, time will tell


sounds real nice, looks like it scoots along pretty well. all you need now is some nitrous ;P



12.33 @ 111.67 mph [Oct 2009]
Dyno'd on 08/02/09 - Mustang Dyno:
327.6 WHP 333.6 WTQ [10.1 AFR]
Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:29 AM
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there are 3 conditions that will warrant a blinking CEL. Rodimus and I found this out doing a lot of research years ago, before installing my msd

1. Obviously a misfire up top, most people would notice
2. Something to do with the amount of voltage your icm is seeing, like under hard wot your car obviously gains timing, well theres a certainamount of voltage required to do so, if you're using that much more voltage then required it will blink... (im pretty sure thats how it's explained, I couldn't find the link)
3. I cannot remember condition 3 but its extremely rare and and if it happens you'd know


but anyway sounds gorgeous, and I'd put money itd at 250whp+


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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:45 AM
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you boys do know that a built L61 put down over 3 with the MP62, Right?


Chris




'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01 MAR 08
205FWHP, 210FWTQ, STOCK PULLY
Team GREEN

Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:48 AM
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z yaaaa wrote:

hehe.

i am still on the fence if it really is louder than the good ole m45 though...

m62 is definitely louder at idle, no question. thing sounds like a damn jet at idle.


Ya, Its not as loud as I would have thought... But it is running spinning slower then a M45 did stock.....


Chris




'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01 MAR 08
205FWHP, 210FWTQ, STOCK PULLY
Team GREEN

Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:11 AM

I will gap the plugs at .030. I just had not got around to it yet. They are the regular NGK TR6 or TR7 whichever one it is that is one step colder than stock. Or in other words the same heat range as what comes with the M45 kit form GM.

Check engine light.
[PCM] P0300 - Engine Misfire Detected
[PCM] P0130 - HO2S Circuit Closed Loop (CL) Performance Bank 1 Sensor 1

Misfire is most likely the plug gap and the other code is because I used HP Tuners to set the enable coolant temp for closed loop operation to 255 degrees which it will never hit.




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Re: Continued: Vulcan Turbos MP62 Intake Manifold LD9
Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:53 AM
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Wade Jarvis wrote:

I will gap the plugs at .030. I just had not got around to it yet. They are the regular NGK TR6 or TR7 whichever one it is that is one step colder than stock. Or in other words the same heat range as what comes with the M45 kit form GM.

Check engine light.
[PCM] P0300 - Engine Misfire Detected
[PCM] P0130 - HO2S Circuit Closed Loop (CL) Performance Bank 1 Sensor 1

Misfire is most likely the plug gap and the other code is because I used HP Tuners to set the enable coolant temp for closed loop operation to 255 degrees which it will never hit.


You must be using the NGK stock number 4177's. They are same heat range that comes with GM charger.

I would agree on both your codes.



MD Motorsports



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