This isn't from direct experience, but my friend recently purchased and installed the HAAS stage 2 turbo kit on his cavy. From the first day, when haas sent him the wrong exhaust manifold, he had problems with it, including:

-Downpipe from turbo will not bolt on to exhaust- needs welding

-ecotec oil pressure is too high to work with this kit, he had to custom install a valve and gauge to lower it so it wouldn't leak

-haas sent wrong parts, including exhaust manifold and oil hose fitting.

-EIC box used for kit does not work with ecotec

-Intercooler piping did not fit; he had to custom make his own

-all piping began to rust within a few months

-haas failed to follow through on a refund for parts they promised.

Once again, this wasn't my problem, so I don't know every detail, but it sounds like haas sucks. I'm going for hahn kit or RSM supercharger for sure.

Sorry to hear your friend had so many problems. That really sucks Did he get any tech support from Haas?


Thats Him Officer The WICKED One.

The experience listed above was mine. Most of those details listed above are correct but I would like to clear up the specifics. As I know the topics listed above are general. I dont have time to get into it now. However, I express extreme caution when buying from HAAS. I personally will never do business with them again. EVER. I will gladly explain the issues in depth, so there is no misunderstanding or other rumors involved. I will do so as soon as I get a free moment.


Thanks Robert for looking out for me and others on the .org



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Yeah, don't buy HAAS kits.

How much longer until Mike Andrews sees this? .....And thanks for letting us know your experience. I know I was considering the HAAS kit for awhile.

^ Damnit I was just going to say that!





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04 Sunfire with a hole in the block
Hahn Stage II
350 H.P. to the ground coming very soon

i have yet to see a kit that is perfect.

it sucks when there are problems...
there is not much money in j-bodies...
so, there is not much support.

anyone remember PIC racing :lol
$4000 lesson on how to tweak a turbo "kit" (for me anyway) others had sucess




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just a note, im not calling mikey a liar. i just highly doubt that his claims are true.. i doubt that he bought both a hahn and a haas kit and experienced them both. Haas just sounds kind of incomplete and not at all well-planned.

what part of that EIC did not work?

was it the tach reading?

Its hard for the 'box' not to work when you buy injectors with the kit, however I can see the tach signal not working

Is that the SDS EIC?




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that sucks

dmanint I alwyas get beat to these posts When mike andrews sees this hes gona have to jump on HAAS nutz extra hard!!!


"Kick azz is my boost hero!!! "

stevefire wrote:what part of that EIC did not work?

was it the tach reading?

Its hard for the 'box' not to work when you buy injectors with the kit, however I can see the tach signal not working

Is that the SDS EIC?

you'll have to direct this question to TwistedSystem, it was him who had the problems with the kit... im just a friend of his who listened and did some of my own research as well. once again, im not directly accusing haas, im simply restating the problems my buddy had with their kit.

Don't see why the SDS box won't work, it does on my ecotec.

SDS sells two versions, one of them is made to accept half-tach signal. Maybe you have or had the wrong one, idk.

I was a VERY SUPPORTIVE Haas customer. I bought many misc. pieces off them for my turbo setup. Emails were always answered promptly, overall service was pretty good...UNTIL RECENTLY!

For some reason Haas has disconnected their phone. The one that they'd never pick up or return messages on. Now Dave also will return NO emails. At least any I've sent.

I've been more than patient, (I'm waiting on a manifold of mine to be duplicated) but now I'm starting to get pissed.

I've been told they are taking their time, ensuring I get a quality manifold not something that will be returned with a crack shorty. That was weeks ago. Then I was told it'd be made by the end of last week.

Now its a week later, and I'm recieving NO replies.

I FULLY UNDERSTAND I'm not their top priority, and that it may take some time, even months. What has me mad, is there are absolutely NO replies. I'd just like to know something/anything about the progress of my manifold.

I don't know what happened to HAAS lately, but their service has gone down hill. I sure hope they get their heads out of their asses, and SOON.

Dave when you read this, maybe you can shoot me an email.

-Travis

they still havent responded to my ?s either

Ok, Now to clarify. HAAS, if you ever read this, feel free to make up lies to try and save your name, but I have emails to back up 100% of what I'm about to say. All references to (Dave) are in reference to Dave that works for haas, NOT DAVE the creator of this site. I'm just going to vent now, so if you dont want to read about my troubles with HAAS, click back over to your porno because it's probably more exciting.

I have made posts on here before but never putting down a company, why did I wait so long to bring all of this out in the open is probably going to be the question on most minds.

Answer: I will do whatever I can to help the j-body market and with a new company like HAAS I wanted to help them get off the ground as there was not a single car on the .org with their kit. I thought I would keep these issues to myself and save HAAS some negative feedback, but then HAAS decided to back out of a refund that was promised to me on the 2nd day of my install by Dave. Then, promised again 4 more times in emails (I have all these emails saved) after 2 months of waiting for this I started to realize this company was shady. Here are the last 4 or so emails I exchanged with haas trying to obtain my refund.


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Hi,

My name is James Klingbeil and I have been working with Dave on
installing my turbo kit. When I first got my kit I received the wrong
manifold, and I was told I would get a $100 refund for the
inconvenience. After talking with Dave he said I would get the refund
when my kit was on the car. My kit is now on my car and I was told to
send an email to the customer service email address to get the $100
refund. If there is anything else you need from me please let me know.
Thank you.
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I got no response, so after 4 days I sent yet another...



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I have not heard back about this? What happened to the Haas customer
support. It's horrible now? If your company is going to compete in
this market you NEED to maintain the excellent support that you once
had. Lately, and in multiple ocassions it's taken over 4 days to get
responses from you guys. When I purchased this kit I was told there
would be 24 hour support. I hope you guys can pull it together soon.
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Finally a response!



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James:

I thought you were joking?! We provided the service by immediately
shipping you the correct manifold and refunding you a little extra to
ship the wrong manifold back to us. I'm unaware of what Dave had told
you, he's the tech who makes the plans and modifications for kits,
not the one who handles the finances, billing, shipping, etc. I'm
sorry but I'm afraid what he told you is incorrect as far as getting a
refund. If for some reason we were not able to get you the correct part, then
perhaps a refund would be issued, but since we issued you the correct
part in return, we do not feel that we are responsible for giving a customer a refund.

Sorry for the confusion and the delay in getting back to you.

SALES
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WOW. I couldn't believe my eyes... So here is My response to that spineless bastard who couldn't even sign his name at the end of the email.



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Are you kidding me? I have multiple emails from dave and phone
conversations regarding the refund. I was told in multiple emails to
send the manifold back and I will receive the 100 refund for my
troubles and rental car. Instead all I got is lies.... This was no
misunderstanding, I still have all the emails and there are multiple
emails addressing the refund and when I will get it. I have been so
patient with your company and this is the kind of games you are going
to play? I am a well respected member on a few cavalier and sunfire
forums. Why would you want to treat me like that. Does Dave work for
you? Yes. Did he tell me that I would get a refund? Yes. Do I have it
in writing? Yes! There is no reason to make this harder then it has to
be. I have been repeatedly told I will get this refund and that HAAS
wanted to wait until my kit was installed before they issued the
refund incase any more issues arise that were HAAS's fault. THIS IS
ALL DOCUMENTED IN EMAILS. I tried calling your service line but all I
get is an answering machine. my # is ###########.

James
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Of course, I have not received a call or email back and probably never will.


To clarify, I was sent the wrong manifold and this caused my install to be delayed forcing me to get a rental car. Dave was apologetic and said he would kick $100 back for my troubles. Up to this point Dave had been super helpful and I had no reason to doubt him.

As you can see if you look through the pictures @ http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/twstedsystm/my_photos You will notice a picture of 2 manifolds. One is over an inch shorter then the other.

This part of my story is great. When I was trying to install the manifold I test fitted the turbo with it and it wouldn’t fit, it was hitting the back of the firewall. I sent pictures via email to Dave showing him it will not fit. He says there was a mix up and the shipped the wrong one. 2 days later I get a manifold. This new manifold...It's special and to my surprise NOT from HAAS and not ceramic coated like I was told. It comes in a box with the return label looking like this:



EXPLOITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT? is this a joke? On the bright side.. it only took 2 days. whatever..

I just wanted to get this @!#$ on the car and didn’t have the time to screw around with HAAS or EXPLOITED waiting for this new manifold to get coated. so on with the install!

-Only to run into more problems!!! I bought my Exhaust from HAAS, it was suppose to bolt right up to the down pipe. It wasn’t even close, I had to have a shop cut and weld the exhaust just so it would fit. Money out of my own pocket.

-My intercooler piping will not fit on the passenger side. I had to cut and fabricate my own piping. Not to my surprise.. Brian Irwin and Troy Guthrie, Also members of the .org have bought the HAAS kit and their IC piping didn’t fit either. Strange... They both were sent the wrong manifold too! Wow! But the fun didn’t stop there... Oh No!

-The MSM that HAAS includes in their kit is suppose to eliminate the check engine light that will come on once boosted. To install this part, I was sent the wrong directions! telling me to cut wires that didn’t need to be cut! Wait i think i have this email on hand. ahh yes here it is.

The email with the instruction....
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Wirring harness:
**Gray wire in the factory harness is the 5v source> connect to the MSM red wire (splice into, do not cut gray wire)
**Green wire in factory harness is the PCM signal wire CUT THIS WIRE> connect to factory green side that goes to factory wiring harness (towards the PCM) to the Green wire of the MSM.
**Green wire in factory harness towards the MAP sensor> connect to blue wire of MSM.
**Pink wire in factory harness (do not cut)> connect to black wire fo MSM.
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Hey they even sent me a diagram with the wrong directions. How thoughtful.



These instructions caused my car to go into limp mode and the car started freaking out. Eventually stalling out. What a mess. But finally, after talking with Dave, we were able to figure it out by trying some other wiring ideas. Not even close to the directions originally sent. Did they even test this device? Oh yeah one more thing. The check engine light... it still came on, so what is this device doing on my car? Anything? hell who knows?



-Oil pressure was too high, I made other posts on the .org about this, search for it. I'm trying to end this bloody post.


-And finally, the last issue I had was the EIC. I didn’t even know there was a problem until I got the car on the dyno. The EIC controls the 2 extra injectors. It needs a tach source and vacuum source. When the car gets to about 4300 RPMS. The EIC immediately goes to 100%. which means it is dumping fuel like a fat kid with the poops. I got extremely RICH because of all this fuel. I still don’t have a fix for this problem yet. When I emailed the manufacturer about the EIC problem they had this to say about HAAS.


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Hi,
The EIC has no adjustability with RPM, so there is not much you can do other than find the best compromise.
If this is not good enough you may have to buy a different brand of Injector controller. Also I guess you could check with Haas and see what settings they use. I wonder how much testing they did... You have done more than Haas.

Sorry for the slow reply.
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Can you believe it!!!!! this was suppose to be tested? If you look on HAAS's website they do not even have a dyno sheet posted with this EIC setup. They have a dyno sheet posted but it's not with the EIC. Again… did they test this stuff? Or was I the one testing it for them?

If you read this much, I'm sorry, but now you know most of my headaches with this company.

IF you like headaches and like being lied to… By all means, order from HAAS you will be in for a trip. Maybe after reading all this, someone will take the warning and save themselves the trouble.

I WILL NEVER BUY FROM HAAS AGAIN!

Dave, if your reading this, thanks for lying to me. I'm glad you had fun playing games at my expense.




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thats horrible man........I remember Mike A calling the HAHN kit a piece of @!#$.......karma's a bitch i guess....

dman I don't even know what to say to that honstley this is the first time I don't have a witey response. not sure what to say other than why does it seem to be with only the turbo companys?


"Kick azz is my boost hero!!! "

sorry you have to go through with all that. A turbo kit is supposed to be just that a kit. Kit's bolt on with little to no modification.

WOW , thats crazy


i just hope the experence doesnt cost you a motor like it caused me with another company


good luck man

Geeze you say EXPLOITED!!!! like its a bad thing!!!!!!! You should be glad you have my turbo manifold. Its lifetime warranty, all stainless, and u know itll last... since they always do.

HAAS first started building there own manifolds but instead turned to me for them.. i suggested using the lower profile design to save room behind the engine explaining the two different manifolds.




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well i guess the moral of the story is build your own turbo system because every turbo comapny in the j-body market has in some way pissed a lot of people off. sorry to hear about your troubles. good luck.

THIS is @!#$ hilarious!

NOW I SEE WHY Haas wanted my manifold to duplicate, They needed a copy of a version that FITS!!! Unless Exploited makes all of their manifolds?!?

If thats the case, do you remember me asking you to clone a manifold for me Brian? No offense, but I went with HAAS thinking I'd get it quicker. Turns out you are the one making their manifolds, LOL.

So Brian, have they gotten ahold of you asking to duplicate my manifold or are they trying to do it themselves??? Maybe you can shed some light on this, its just too @!#$ unbelievable.

McNulty wrote:THIS is @!#$ hilarious!

NOW I SEE WHY Haas wanted my manifold to duplicate, They needed a copy of a version that FITS!!! Unless Exploited makes all of their manifolds?!?

If thats the case, do you remember me asking you to clone a manifold for me Brian? No offense, but I went with HAAS thinking I'd get it quicker. Turns out you are the one making their manifolds, LOL.

So Brian, have they gotten ahold of you asking to duplicate my manifold or are they trying to do it themselves??? Maybe you can shed some light on this, its just too @!#$ unbelievable.

Yea i remember them asking me to do it.



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