bump any further info?
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He's been a busy man.......... but if he doesn't see this post I will remind him.
good deal, i talked to my machinest today about it and he said we could get something figured out, and ive seen some new g6 trans on ebay pretty cheap, just been curious if the deminsions are the same for the final drive, not really worried about the bolt pattern to the diff.
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Gotcha, if he doesnt see it I will tell him to stop by this post and give an update, he has recently moved to a different house, did garage stuff, changed his engine, etc....... busy......... but I am sure he will post here very soon.
thanks isaak sorry no new info at the moment i just moved to my new house in march and i'm in the process of drywalling the garage so all my car stuff is still packed up its all insulated and drywalled just have to finish the mudding then paint it and build my bench.
i have so much on the go right now i probably wont dig to far into this untill near the end of summer i wanna enjoy my car this summer
JBO since July 30, 2001
do you have all the transmission parts?
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What about the 3.83 FDR used in the F35 LNF Cobalts??
Jason
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190hp/170tq @ 6psi
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i rather have the lower f40 fdr, but if the f35 bolt pattern is the same so could do a direct swap ill go that route for now, but would still like to get the f40 fdr.
so who knows the math or round about speed you would get with the f23 f35 and f40 in 4th at 7, 7.5, and 8k rpm??
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If you swap the ring gear on the diff carrier you still need to swap the gear in the tranny that connects to the ring gear. The total number of teeth between the ring gear and the gear in the tranny need to be equal to the original setup, and that number of teeth might be different on the setup you're getting from the f40. That's kind of a crappy explination.
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did some digging and found a cool gear calculator
with the stock f23 3.94 fdr 24.5" tire
7k 7.5k 8k
1st 37 39 41
2nd 65 70 73
3rd 97 104 110
4th 134 142 151
f40 3.55 fdr
1st 40 43 46
2nd 71 76 81
3rd 107 114 122
4th 147 147 168
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Boosted2point4 wrote:i rather have the lower f40 fdr, but if the f35 bolt pattern is the same so could do a direct swap ill go that route for now, but would still like to get the f40 fdr.
so who knows the math or round about speed you would get with the f23 f35 and f40 in 4th at 7, 7.5, and 8k rpm??
Here is the gear ratio calculator I have been using.....
F body Gear Ratio calculator
I have a couple of spreadsheets made out for my Isuzu using this calculator
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
190hp/170tq @ 6psi
LG0/LD9 for Life
sorry i haven't even thought of looking at this project in months i bought a house in march with a garage and i have been insulating and drywalling installing my natural gas heater i have to get this done so i can get all my stuff out of boxes and get my car inside. i think since i have moved i put 2000km on my car and most of that was just cause the car sat for weeks and thought i would move it
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ok so i was doing some reseach tonight and then got some help from old board member mike karas, and looks as he found the jack pot. 09-10 cobalt economy have a f23 with a 3.63 fdr...... so i think ill be ordering one with a cracked bell housing tomorrow, or i mean later today for 150 and see if we cant just make this work
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very cool, watching this, please post up with results when done.
Boosted2point4 wrote:ok so i was doing some reseach tonight and then got some help from old board member mike karas, and looks as he found the jack pot. 09-10 cobalt economy have a f23 with a 3.63 fdr...... so i think ill be ordering one with a cracked bell housing tomorrow, or i mean later today for 150 and see if we cant just make this work
that seems like it should fit a little better and possibly be swapable. even though 3.94 would be even better. but any taller is better than nothing.
3.94 is the stock ratio. Lower the ratio the higher mph you will see.
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yeah i meant the 3.55. i looked at the wrong chart above.
3.55,3.63,3.94.... 3.63 feels like middle ground to me. so its kind of a decent compromise. Do you need an empty F23 case? I have 1 empty and a complete one as well.
I'm happy with the 3.63 fdr since I don't see why its not direct swap, everything is the same other than the fdr. Should have a trans ordered when I get a call back. I have 3 transmissions so I think I have that's undercontrol
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yeah id say 0.80 is a better option than the 0.31 difference of the two.
are you talking to separate it and just swap the FDR? or just get the right bell housing on it and bolt it up as it is? Are the rest of their gears better to expand the mph per gear or is it JUST the FDR thats different?
only thing different is the fdr, im going to pull both trans apart and use the better stuff of the 2. then i might send it all to be heat treated before putting it all together.
Getrag F23 Cavalier/Sunfire 2.4/2.2
1st - 3.58
2nd - 2.02
3rd - 1.35
4th - 0.98
5th - 0.69
Rev - 3.31
FDR - 3.94
Getrag F23 Cobalt/Ion (Base)
1st - 3.58
2nd - 2.02
3rd - 1.35
4th - 0.98
5th - 0.69
Rev - 3.31
FDR - 3.84 or 3.63 on 09-10 economy with option FY1
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1st - 3.58
2nd - 2.02
3rd - 1.35
4th - 0.98
5th - 0.81
Rev - 3.31
FDR - 4.41
Getrag F23 Chevy HHR
1st - 3.58
2nd - 2.02
3rd - 1.35
4th - 0.98
5th - 0.69
Rev - 3.31
FDR - 4.1
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I just know talking to the shops I took my one trans to, that its impossible to find parts for these things and when you do its retardedly expensive.
Any idea what you are going to do for the shift fork tips? Anything that can be done?
I am definitely interested though.
BuiltNBoosted wrote:I just know talking to the shops I took my one trans to, that its impossible to find parts for these things and when you do its retardedly expensive.
Any idea what you are going to do for the shift fork tips? Anything that can be done?
I am definitely interested though.
I had a thought on the shift fork tips...
What about brazing bronze onto the area that the nylon normally covers? If you do it right, you should be able to build up enough material then chuck that baby in a mill and mill it to tolerance and lubrication retention Ra.
For really bulletproof forks I'd say TIG more material on and then mill it... but then you would be wearing the snychronizers rather than the forks... and those be expensive...At least the bronze is replaceable.. could in theory make a shift fork that been reinforced last forever and be rebuild-able...
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