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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:19 PM
If I had the money, I'd have OMG's turbo in my hands right now! But alas, I'm still saving for my T-body project!

Good luck with this project!


Btw, the vid of the red VW sounded like it had a bad powers steering pump, lol!


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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:23 PM
GT35 GT35 GT35 GT35 GT35 peer pressure peer pressure peer pressure

I demand updates, sir!



Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:51 PM
Well guys it's been a long time... been busy tuning 200+ whp M45 LD9's etc. lol (Don't worry Darren we will get yours tuned as soon as I'm available!)

So I finally got off my ass and got some bolts for the charger, as well as some 1/4" MDF and some metal brackets to start mocking up the brackets for this charger. I went to go get the metal too on Saturday but the Metal Supermarket was closed so that'll have to wait for another day.

Stupid me decided to go there on an empty tank of gas so ... of course... I burned out the stock fuel pump. I currently have a Racetronix pump & harness on its way already installed into a J-body sending unit, figured I needed to upgrade for boost anyhow. Big thanks to Brian (Boostedeco) for the prompt replies and getting it out of his car for me so quickly.

Ok so for now I just have these 2 pictures of the rough fitment of a rough bracket... In the images imagine the charger/bracket lifted up about another inch - I didn't have enough wood to hold it up 100% for the photo.

The progress from here will speed up a bit as I have cleared out some room and projects in my garage, I really want to have the brackets 100% complete with the charger lined up and the new idler and belt on at the end of the summer. My plan is to install this on the car next spring, once I can collect the rest of what I need to get the job done.

The pictures:







If you are wondering why the bracket is so "big" right now bear in mind I need room to add the new idler pulley as well as some places for the bracing I plan to add to support the weight of the charger. Also the bracket for now is cut where the chargers tiny belt runs but I realized that the charger will sit back about an inch from the bracket so I will be able to go 1 piece all around the pulley. There will be a secondary 2 piece bracket on the other side of the charger that I hope to have mocked by the end of the weekend. Actually my big hope is to have all the brackets mocked up in wood by the end of the weekend but we will see what kind of time I can spare... I've been working on this at 1am between working 2 jobs.


Comments and questions are always welcomed.

-Chris-



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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:57 PM
That thing really is huge dude. I will come by and check it out soon when we swap injectors and retune.



Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:39 AM
I was just wondering about this.





Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:49 AM
gtpsunfire wrote:

That thing really is huge dude. I will come by and check it out soon when we swap injectors and retune.


Lol, it's good to see darren is still thinking about himself first. Good to see you are still a douche bag as usual. Makes me miss Canadia all that much moar! Lololol



Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:50 AM
RaGiN Z (the fake 05) wrote:

gtpsunfire wrote:

That thing really is huge dude. I will come by and check it out soon when we swap injectors and retune.


Lol, it's good to see darren is still thinking about himself first. Good to see you are still a douche bag as usual. Makes me miss Canadia all that much moar! Lololol

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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:28 AM
Good to see you touching at least 1 of your cars again. Hope life is going well. I started P90x 4 months ago, dear lord dunno how you stuck with it, Tony Horton is suuuuuch a douche



Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:25 PM
Another update, as promised...

I managed to mock up the belt-side bracket in 1/4" MDF today, had to go to home depot for some bolts and managed 6 hours of work at the office AND a literal 15 km (9 mile) hike with the GF today too! Busy day, got a lot done in the late hours once the sun went down...

As promised at the beginning of this thread, below are the pictures as I make progress. Bear in mind that I have NEVER worked with metal in my life, or fabbed up something like this so I am documenting the process. If anybody who has done this before or has experience sees me making a mistake or has a tip to make my life easier, the advice is very welcome!

Onto the pictures:


Bracket traced out and improved onto 1/4" MDF:




Bolted to the lower alternator bolt for test fitment - I assume this will square me to the engine. Will check later.







Initial charger bolt up to check placement.






Charger bolted up - forgot to take a pic of the 2 other brackets I added at the tensoner and oil pan.






As mentioned earlier, checking for square/alignment. Need to subtract a shim or two to align pulley - bracket is square. Laser levels on a tripod rule.







Thats all I got done today - I hope to have the 2 piece bracket done in MDF this weekend. Then onto the metalwork which I've never done... time to learn to weld! Haha....

Comments and questions always welcomed.

-Chris-



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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:48 PM
OH and I forgot to add... I built a kegerator 2 months ago since I've been making my own beer. Nothing like your own beer on draught at home.

I have 2 kegs in there with a co2 canister and dual regulators... 2 types of beer on tap at all times.




-Chris-



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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:28 PM
Looking good, what are you cutting the metal with? Liking the keggerator as well.








Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:36 PM
JUCNBST wrote:

Looking good, what are you cutting the metal with? Liking the keggerator as well.


Thanks, I LOVE the Kegerator - simply one of the single best investments I've made in a decade. Every time I pour beer I grin from ear to ear.... and I haven't bought beer at a store for months now. I can make 72 beers for roughly $25.

As for the charger setup - thanks for the compliment, esp coming from you! I was going to buy a 6-7amp jigsaw initially but I came upon an oxy/acetylene setup so I have decided to invest in that instead. I figured this would cut the bracket a LOT cleaner then I can clean it up with my grinder and drill the holes on my drill press with lots of WD40. I have a lincoln Mig Pak 140 to weld with so... I *think* I'm set for tools.

Do you have a suggestion of a better way to cut 1/4" plate steel possibly? Or is the oxy/acetylene setup going to suffice you feel? If it helps I have picked up a circle cutting attachment for the torch to assist in cutting the rounded areas of the bracket cleanly.

Thanks for any advice you can offer!

-Chris-



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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:49 AM
Eventually I plan on building a kegerator, that's something I've always wanted.

If I were you personally I'd avoid using an oxy setup because the amount of heat put into the base metal will cause it to distort. If I had to chose I'd consider a plasma with a very large cutting capacity because it would allow you to make fater cuts, keeping heat input down. I would even go as far as putting a bag of ice on the plate while I cut it with a plasma to help heek the heat down.


Now if I only had oxy or. Grinder with a cut off wheel I'd go the grinder route cutting a little at a time allowing it to stay somewhat cool, and having time to cool back down. You wouldn't have acess to a metal bandsaw would you? Or a buddy that could help you out for a case of tall boys if you needed to machine this thing flat again would you if it warped?

Sorry if this message is jumbled, I've been having isses with the internet on my cell, plus I've been drinking capt. N coke like water for th past few hours while the g/f plays Ratchet n clank on the ps3.





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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 6:41 AM
Even if you dont warp the @!#$ out of it unless you have perfect settings and perfect hand speed you will make slag on the whole edge and have to grind that off. Its a pain to grind off because due to the plasma cutting that slag is super duper hard.


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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:45 AM
I didn't even think of the heat warping the steel!

I used a jig saw, worked out fine.

you didn't tell me that you put the beast next to the tool chest! That is a match made in heaven. Paint it red and you are set!



Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:04 PM
Leafy wrote:

Even if you dont warp the @!#$ out of it unless you have perfect settings and perfect hand speed you will make slag on the whole edge and have to grind that off. Its a pain to grind off because due to the plasma cutting that slag is super duper hard.



He would have the same issue with slag on an oxy setup as well...plus it's not that hard to remove, most chips right off with just a little wack from a hammer. Then a quick pass with a grinder to take the edge off and he's done.







Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 1:04 PM
I could never get it to come off with the slag hammer, maybe I never hit it right.


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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:43 PM
Maybe send the template in to be cut on a water table...Then you can cut it out of aluminum
Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:49 PM
I would recommend a plasma cutter as well. The oxy setup will marr it too much and is much harder to control. Jig saw COULD work but man that will kill the motor in that thing working that hard. not to mention blades. Cutoff wheel will take forever even if its on an air tool.

Plasma cutting would be your quicker and better option id say.
Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 3:52 PM
Philly brings up a point, why do it in steel when your not welding anything to it?

If thats your biggest plate, that would not be anything to cut out on a band saw in 1/4" Even in steel.

If you set up an oxy torch correctly you should have minimal to no slag... If you are getting excessive slag buildup you are not moving the torch quick enough, or not using a high enough oxy pressure.

Sweetness, If I were making that plate, I would not enclose the snout of the charger in that round hole (the part with the four bolts mounting the charger to the plate)... make it easy on yourself and cut out an opening between two of the mounting holes so its only 3/4 of the way around... it will be much easier to clean up the inside diameter of the cut edge.

As for welding, Miller and Lincoln both have good information on their website on MIG welding... The biggest thing I can tell you is prep the surfaces as well as you possibly can... the better the prep, the better the weld.

Do not use brake clean as a final degreaser before welding, especially if you grind the weld area before you weld. It will produce a toxic gas and you will die and we will never see this project finished... :-(

Also, I would spend at least a solid 5-6 hours of time UNDER THE HELMET (this excludes prep, cleaning, fixing settings etc.) but 5-6 hours actually welding before you attempt anything, don't want to get those nice pieces cut only to ruin them with a bad or inferior weld. Ask for some scraps of various sizes (cutoffs are common around metal distributors and they usually cannot sell them very easy so usually they can make you a deal on some useful pieces to practice on.) up to the thickest metal you will be welding and experiment and try different things/settings once you get the hang of torch technique.

If your wondering, a 80/20 or 75/25 Argon/Co2 mix is standard purge gas on mild steel... stay away from flux core wire, get a good ER70S-6 alloy wire and get to work!

If you have any fabrication/welding questions feel free to email or pm me... I can give you my cell if you need quick answers.



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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Sunday, July 01, 2012 5:11 PM
non-chlorinated brake clean is fine. Make sure its non-chlorinated and you'll be ok. If its chlorinated you'll smell rotten tomatos and then fall to the floor unable to move in the most pain you've ever been in in your life and pray that someone comes along and gets some ventilation going. Yay WWI chemical weapons.


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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Monday, July 02, 2012 4:37 PM
Leafy wrote:

non-chlorinated brake clean is fine. Make sure its non-chlorinated and you'll be ok. If its chlorinated you'll smell rotten tomatos and then fall to the floor unable to move in the most pain you've ever been in in your life and pray that someone comes along and gets some ventilation going. Yay WWI chemical weapons.


While this is true, I tend to the safe bet... Acetone or Lacquer thinner for me! Carb cleaner is another no-no for me...



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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Monday, July 02, 2012 5:02 PM
Good point on informing him on the brake clean issue. I forget to mention it assuming it's common knowledge for some reason....I use rubbing alcohol or acetone at home. If you have access to a waterjet, I'd try that route as well.






Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Monday, July 02, 2012 6:29 PM
Acetone works the best, get it in one of those squeeze bottles.


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Re: Sickness - Supercharger Retrofit (G-Lader)
Monday, July 02, 2012 7:47 PM
Guys, thanks so much so far for your tips and help. I thought maybe the oxy setup would be a tough go... but easier than my other options. I honstly didn't consider the heat warping that plate and frankly thats a huge concern with a project like this requiring the tolerance it needs.

As much as I wish I had a bandsaw or a plasma torch, I don't. Yes, I can draw this up to scale in cad and have it machined or jetted, or could take the metal tracing to a shop and have somebody I know cut it out for me, but that destroys the purpose of me wanting to do it all myself in my garage and learn from the experience. Perhaps some things are better left being done by the pros... so I will definitely use the bandsaw option as my backup plan. Based on your info my best bet is a 6-7amp jigsaw and a very very good blade and some patience. I've looked online and seen plenty of videos of people cutting 1/4" steel plate with a jigsaw and just going slow, so I will try that route first and if its an epic failure I'll go to a pro.

Thank you so much also for the welding tips. I can say 100% you saved my life as I clean everything with brake clean, so that would have def been the end of me.

I'm going to head to the metal supermarket in the next 2 weeks and get a stockpile of scrap metal as well as a plate to make a table and sit and put in 5-10 hours of practice welding. While I have a migpak 140 I have converted it back to flux core due to not having a tank for the mig gas... I think it will still do the job it'll just be a bit harder to learn due to the heat... at least that's from what I understand?

I have just completed the second 2 piece bracket for the passenger side... I squared everything up 100% so the charger is 100% lined up to the alternator and engine... I literally spent hours aligning things in the wee hours of the morning making sure I had the charger square to the engine. I KNOW with a properly flat metal plate for the final that the charger will already sit plumb to the engine but I wanted the pass side brackets to be at least as accurate as possible so I squared it up myself, shimmed it, laser leveled it, measured it and checked it with multiple levels. It doesn't help that the engine isn't sitting level/square on the stand, sadly.

I will update in a few minutes with more photos but I wanted to thank you guys first for the info you have given me already, its literally been a life saver.

-Chris-



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