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looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:47 AM
so im new here and im not sure what i should do to my cavalier first. go for performance or go for looks? i have a 2003 cavy with a 2.2L ecotec. and if i should go for performance first what should i do to it? thanks in advance for help



Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:03 AM
i would start with maintenance. full fluid swaps of everything, replacement of anything that has gone bad and or damaged. odds are the floor mats are probably trashed and the dash has a crack. rear strut mounts might be shot or on their way out. things like that.

then i would clean the absolute piss out of it. shampoo the carpet and various interior items. clay bar and polish the entire paint job, every square inch. clean undercarriage, fender wells, etc.

start off with as new and or nice of a car as you can THEN start the modding process.

imo a car should be well oriented if you are going to daily drive it. looks are just as important IMO as going fast. i cannot stand a car that has wires everywhere, dirty as hell, hacked together, etc.

most important advice i can give... anything worth doing is worth doing RIGHT. so take ur time!!!!



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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 10:11 AM
thank you for the reply. fortunately, all that wont be too hard to do. i got the car from my grandpa for christmas/birthday and he kept it pretty clean. it has low mileage too. im in auto tech right now so im going to start taking it and working on it as much as possible. i plan on changing the transmision fluid after break, then turning the rotors, and the replacing the spark plugs. oh, and another question. when i get up to speed(around 55 mph) the left front wheel starts squeaking, what cuases it? i know its not the suspension


Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:03 AM
squeaking? id say wheel bearing but it makes more of a roar sound versus squeak so i dont know...



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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:20 PM
don't bother turning the rotors. our rotors are fairly thin to start off with. add that to the fact you can get our rotors for $20 each, and it's not worth the time/effort.



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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:28 PM
Id be able able to turn them at school. Is it still not worth it? And another question(sorry if im getting annoying). Snow should be coming soon in michingan, and snow+parking lots=fun. How hard can i push the ecotec engine?


Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM
pvtmcmuffin wrote:Id be able able to turn them at school. Is it still not worth it? And another question(sorry if im getting annoying). Snow should be coming soon in michingan, and snow+parking lots=fun. How hard can i push the ecotec engine?



It's not the engine I'd be worried about, it would be the trans. I kinda miss the snowy parking lot fun. Since we salt the roads to death here, it's been years since I took my old cavalier wagon around the parking lot a few times....


Unless you're looking for a trailer queen, I'd just mod it for fun's sake. This area is just so darn hard on modded parts.. (ie, rims and stuff).....


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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:30 PM
Thanks. It wont be to hard in the trans will it? And when/if i do put new rims on, im just going with the stock alluminum rims(right now i have the steel rims) i dont plan on going hardcore modding for drag or anything.


Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:06 PM
pvtmcmuffin wrote:Id be able able to turn them at school. Is it still not worth it?


pretty much. turned rotors make them thinner. thinner rotors heat up faster. more heat in the brakes equates to much faster wear. just replace them.



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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:11 PM
ok thanks, i dont think they are that bad yet so im not going to replace them. but back to my original question. after i clean up the interior a bit, should i do stuff to the exterior or do some small performance mods, like an intake and exhaust and all that jazz?
oh, and i was looking through my car today and saw some rust on the seat bracket, what should i do about that? just sand it down and paint it?
once again, im sorry for so many question


Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:39 PM
Here is the way things are in my neck of the woods. If you go with exterior modifications to make your car look better than stock people tend to think that you can "backup" how your car looks with how it performs. Once they find out your car is just stock performance wise, the flaming begins about putting a body kit (or whatever your enhancements may be) on a car that is slow. People are quick to judge others as posers and what not because their cars may look the part but cannot act it and people with think oh he just threw a body kit on but its got no go. If you go with performance mods and leave your car looking stock then you are stuck with what may seem like a boring looking car, but, you will have some guts to back it up. The opposing argument to that is if you do proper beginning mods such as CAI, header, exhaust, people will not see that and think here is some kid with a fart can on his stock cavalier.

So ask yourself what you want out of the car.. If you want a nice dd with some pep start the performance mods and if you want to add to the exterior later then do so. if you want to go to car shows and dont really care about going fast then start exterior mods then when it looks the way you want tackle the engine. Finally ask yourself Do you like it enough to keep it for the long term? or is it just something to mess around with till you save up for something you really want. Cause if your doing it just cause you have it and your hearts not in it then whatever you do you will regret in the end anyways.

ITS ALL UP TO YOU!
so man up and make a decision instead of trying to get others to make it for you! (lol that is sarcasm not trying to be mean)

personally i would focus on the engine to start and for the exterior just lower it nice rims and make sure its clean with no rust.




Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:46 PM
thank you. that is what i was leaning torwards, so thanks for the final push. now if i get a new header and exhaust that is wider than the stock, would i have to change stuff in the computer due to a different back pressure? or is that only in new cars?


Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:56 PM
most people dont tune after adding header and exhaust and intake. But tuning is the only way to optimize the actual gains from doing said modifications. start searching my friend and all your questions will be answered



Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:10 PM
I'd hate to break it to you, but you own a Cavalier... You're not going to get looks OR performance out of it. Keep the maintenance up to date, keep it clean, tint the windows, put in some nice tunes, and be done with it. Maybe some nicer stock wheels (think Z24) if it has hubcaps on it. Keep it nice, enjoy the free ride and good mileage.


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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:25 PM
you can definatley get both looks and performance out of them. looks are all personal prefrences so im not even going to ask for suggestion on how to make it look. and the performance part is possible(just not practical) GM built a 800 hp cavalier, and it still had the ecotec engine in it


Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:25 PM
pvtmcmuffin wrote: GM built a 800 hp cavalier, and it still had the ecotec engine in it
with an ecotec and factory backing, (aka unlimited moneys) anything is possible. and actually, the factory build book can take the ecotec block OVER 1000 hp. how long it lasts depends on the tuner and supporting mods.



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Re: looks vs performance
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:50 PM
I saw articles about 1000+ ecotecs, but i knew for a fact that GM made a 800 hp one, so thats why i went with that. I hate when people say that they cant be fast just because its an economy car, or that it cant look nice without completely ricing it out. But thanks for your advice everyone. I think i decided on what im going to do


Re: looks vs performance
Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:51 PM
Zaairman wrote:I'd hate to break it to you, but you own a Cavalier... You're not going to get looks OR performance out of it. Keep the maintenance up to date, keep it clean, tint the windows, put in some nice tunes, and be done with it. Maybe some nicer stock wheels (think Z24) if it has hubcaps on it. Keep it nice, enjoy the free ride and good mileage.


Says the guy thats not in the quarter mile sticky, don't listen to people like that, you can get plenty of power/speed out of them, just look in racing/performance forums, there are lots of us actually getting REAL times on the track, but modding a J should be about the enjoyment and satisfaction you get out of doing it, everyone has their tastes, some of here have nice show cars, and some like PJ, Paul, me, etc.....care more about going fast (BUT we are n/a guys that are running 14s), there are guys like scott (look Canadien midwest forums and he built a monster(but selling). with these cars its about imagination, wallet, and time, as well as research. So what you want to get out of the car, is all up to you

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Re: looks vs performance
Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:04 PM
Zaairman wrote:I'd hate to break it to you, but you own a Cavalier... You're not going to get looks OR performance out of it.


LOL @ this retarded statement.



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Re: looks vs performance
Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:54 AM
Yeah, some people are runnin' 11s in the QTR mile and still drive on the street. I plan to be one of them at some point. The ZR1 Corvette runs 11.2, so I guess that car is slow, too, huh.



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Re: looks vs performance
Friday, January 13, 2012 2:44 PM
Zaairman wrote:I'd hate to break it to you, but you own a Cavalier... You're not going to get looks out of it.


Fixed. You can get all the performance you want, that only costs money. The only want to make one look good is the new car mod, or the blindness mod.


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Re: looks vs performance
Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:36 AM
Leafy (Club Jeffie FEA man) wrote:
Zaairman wrote:I'd hate to break it to you, but you own a Cavalier... You're not going to get looks out of it.


Fixed. You can get all the performance you want, that only costs money. The only want to make one look good is the new car mod, or the blindness mod.


Or dont let you touch it.


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Re: looks vs performance
Monday, February 27, 2012 10:46 AM
Zaairman wrote:I'd hate to break it to you, but you own a Cavalier... You're not going to get looks OR performance out of it. Keep the maintenance up to date, keep it clean, tint the windows, put in some nice tunes, and be done with it. Maybe some nicer stock wheels (think Z24) if it has hubcaps on it. Keep it nice, enjoy the free ride and good mileage.

i hate to break this to ya but hell anythings better than a ford! i have a 89 f150 and i have had to do nothing but replace a bunch of parts on it and it only has 106,000 original miles on it..and plus why r u on this site if all your going to do is say things that make you look stupid since theres proof that they can runn 11s
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