matt boyd wrote:wow you guys over estimte the b18's way to much my buddy has a b18 swap in his and has dc sport header and exhaust and aem cai and on a good day runs 15.0 and its vtec..with a vtec controller they can control when it kicks in but if not it dont kick in till about 5k rpm and if they have the rediculous comp that dont rev till about 7900 rpm then it dont kick in until about 6k rpm me and my buddy's cav's beat all the civics in the city all day long if you can drive an eco and have a few bolt ons you can take them. and the honda's 180 hp is nothing..cause there tourqe is in the 120's..like the new civic si is 205 hp but 138 tourqe and it ran a 14.9 with car and driver come on now if our cavs had that much hp we would run in the 13's easy..just an input from expeirience..no bashing on ne one