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Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 1:04 AM
raven wrote:

lmao...how did I know this was going to happen in this post. Tell you guys what, don't worry about it, I take myself out of the running. I really could care less about being on this list so don't worry about it. I will bow out and you guys can fight over who will be on this list. IMO if it is a j-body then it counts, doesn't matter what is under the hood. If it is an N body then go over to an N-body site and get on their list, you don't see me on any grand prix lists and I wouldn't expect to. Maybe you guys should just keep it to completely stock 2.2's, 2.4's and eco's just to keep it fair, I mean hell modding an engine is going to give you an advantage.

Spyhunter: Yes you made more torque than me, for now. My engine is good for a lot more, we were only babying it at 421wtq.

Adam: I was kind of surprised to read what you wrote, you never mentioned anything like this previous to me posting up numbers so whats the big deal now? Maybe yours shouldn't be counted because you have the full backing of a company who specializes in turbo creations. Regardless this is a pretty stupid thing to argue over, if you want the #1 spot that bad it's yours. Enjoy.


I'm am the top dog in the N-body websites, but it's too easy to be on top when all the N-body guys save for a miniscule couple are all intake header exhaust people.


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- (1) 2.4L on an engine stand (1) blown trans (2) good quad trans (1) eco trans = party


Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 10:22 AM
The way I see it is, you've got the 1/4 mile list for the people who need disclaimers. I'm so tired of hearing things like "fastest supercharged 2.4 on street tires and stock exhaust" or whatever other crap people can come up with to make their car seem more impressive than it is. If we're going to brag about hp, than you know what, it should be whoever has the most HP in a J and let that be that, regardless of mods or engine type. If someone like Raven does the work to put a 3800 into a car it doesn't belong in, and then goes the extra mile to turbo the ever-loving crap out of it, than why does he have to suddenly be in a separate category? How is it unfair to include him? He's shown that anyone with the drive to duplicate his setup can, just because most choose not to shouldn't exclude him from the list. What next? Are we going to break it down to people with stock bottom end vs. built bottom end? Stock head vs. worked head? Man up people! This should be a no-holds-barred, whoever makes the most power makes the most power, regardless of engine type or mod level. If you're pissed that that keeps you off the list, then work harder to make your car faster.

As for the Spyhunter debate, well hell, the beetle makes 221 so i guess I'd be on that list too at the moment, should I count? If its not a J it shouldn't be on the list. You deserve just as much respect as anyone else making that level of power, and I don't take that away from you, but this is a J-body specific forum, and if you want it based on having a 2.4, go to the quad4forum and start a list there.




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Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 12:34 PM
hehe.. i'm always around just to start contraversy, no big deal. Quad4forums is definitely a better place anyway.

waitaminute, YOU DRIVE A VW! do you have a flower in it?


-Trailblazer SS - not so custom 6.0L - custom intake - custom tune
- (1) 2.4L on an engine stand (1) blown trans (2) good quad trans (1) eco trans = party

Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 1:00 PM
What about categories like, ld9, ln2, l61, swap and sub categories like n/a, or boosted. Then a top 10 overall? This way who ever makes the most power in a j, no matter what kind of engine, 3400, 3800, tdc, ls7 what ever has the over all but people who arn't building boosted monsters or working with a limited motor, like the ln2 can still be recognized and people can look up what ever kind of build their doing.


- Paul

Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 1:14 PM
Over All
1. Raven - 451hp 421ft-lbs - Turbo 3800
2 Spyhunter - 432hp 424ft-lbs - Turbo LD9 (n-body)
3. Adam Hahn - 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
4. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
5. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
6. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
7. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
8. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi
9. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9
10. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno

Ecotec N/A
1. Ben Wenzel Jr - 181 - Mustang - Ecotec NA
2. Enthusiast - 161.73 - dynojet - Ecotec N/A
3. lostsol - 156.27- dynojet(us30) - Ecotec n/a
4. Jonathan Wehr - 147.34 - Dynojet - Ecotec N/A
5. Roy - 141 - dynojet - ecotec N/A

Ecotec F/I
1. Adam Hahn - 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
2. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
3. Chad Gillies - 224.- Dynapack- Turbo Ecotec @ 7psi
4. slvr05cav - 223 - Mustang - Turbo Ecotec @ 8psi

LD9 N/A
1. Brian aka SpeedRacerZ - 171hp - Dynojet- LD9 N/A
2. -MD-LD9 - 159.8 - Mustang - LD9 N/A
3. John Higgins - 151.46 - Dynojet - LD9 N/A
4. z yaaaa - 151.4 - Dynojet - LD9 n/a

LD9 F/I
1. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
2. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
3. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
4. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9
5. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno
6. Lafngas -214 - dynojet - gm s/c ld9
7. Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. - 178.6* - Dynojet - S/C LD9 @ 4.5psi
8. Bigtemps - 173.26 - Mustang - s/c LD9 @ 5psi

LN2 N/A
1. 96 Cav - 112.0 - Dynojet - Ln2 N/A

LN2 F/I
1. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi

Let me know what you guys think and if i missed anyone. Let's keep this going!


- Paul

Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 2:00 PM
I like Paul's list...Far less convoluted than just throwing the top 25 on one list (which when all is said and done will just end up being all boosted motors anyways).


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Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, July 30, 2007 6:17 PM
I'm going to have to go with Paul's list. It's got the Overall and the catagories, the best of both worlds.

Now, if we can get it laid out like the Best 1/4 Times Honour Roll , so people can look up who has what, it would bea good lay-out. WW might want to look into doing an overall quickest list on his sticky.






Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:24 AM
45 Minutes later.....I think that is all correct.


Over All
1. Raven - 451hp 421ft-lbs - Turbo 3800
2 Spyhunter - 432hp 424ft-lbs - Turbo LD9 (n-body)
3. Adam Hahn- 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
4. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
5. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
6. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
7. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
8. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi
9. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9
10. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno

Ecotec N/A
1. Ben Wenzel Jr - 181 - Mustang - Ecotec NA
2. Enthusiast - 161.73 - dynojet - Ecotec N/A
3. lostsol - 156.27- dynojet(us30) - Ecotec n/a
4. Jonathan Wehr - 147.34 - Dynojet - Ecotec N/A
5. Roy - 141 - dynojet - ecotec N/A

Ecotec F/I
1. Adam Hahn - 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
2. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
3. Chad Gillies - 224.- Dynapack- Turbo Ecotec @ 7psi
4. slvr05cav - 223 - Mustang - Turbo Ecotec @ 8psi

LD9 N/A
1. Brian aka SpeedRacerZ - 171hp - Dynojet- LD9 N/A
2. Mike, -MD-LD9 - 159.8 - Mustang - LD9 N/A
3. John Higgins - 151.46 - Dynojet - LD9 N/A
4. z yaaaa - 151.4 - Dynojet - LD9 n/a

LD9 F/I
1. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
2. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
3. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
4. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9
5. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno
6. Lafngas -214 - dynojet - gm s/c ld9
7. Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. - 178.6* - Dynojet - S/C LD9 @ 4.5psi
8. Bigtemps - 173.26 - Mustang - s/c LD9 @ 5psi

LN2 N/A
1. 96 Cav - 112.0 - Dynojet - Ln2 N/A

LN2 F/I
1. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi





Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:56 AM
Raven,
Hey man nice numbers, I've been wanting to see what that thing could muster. I know that that thing must be a handful to keep steady.

Spyhunter,
Nice! Good to see people are showing what the LD9 is capable of and showing to world the potential of the engine. Sad that GM never advertised the Quad family's potential in the 90's like what GM is doing today with Ecotec... different era. But you surely did.

All I want to know where Karo's Slowfire?

Ok continue with the drama.



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Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:49 PM
Over All
1. Raven - 451hp 421ft-lbs - Turbo 3800
2 Spyhunter - 432hp 424ft-lbs - Turbo LD9 (n-body)
3. Adam Hahn- 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
4. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
5. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
6. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
7. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
8. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi
9. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9 @ 9psi
10. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno

Ecotec N/A
1. Ben Wenzel Jr - 181 - Mustang - Ecotec NA
2. Enthusiast - 161.73 - dynojet - Ecotec N/A
3. lostsol - 156.27- dynojet(us30) - Ecotec n/a
4. Jonathan Wehr - 147.34 - Dynojet - Ecotec N/A
5. Roy - 141 - dynojet - ecotec N/A

Ecotec F/I
1. Adam Hahn - 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
2. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
3. Chad Gillies - 224.- Dynapack- Turbo Ecotec @ 7psi
4. slvr05cav - 223 - Mustang - Turbo Ecotec @ 8psi

LD9 N/A
1. Brian aka SpeedRacerZ - 171hp - Dynojet- LD9 N/A
2. Mike, -MD-LD9 - 159.8 - Mustang - LD9 N/A
3. John Higgins - 151.46 - Dynojet - LD9 N/A
4. z yaaaa - 151.4 - Dynojet - LD9 n/a

LD9 F/I
1. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
2. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
3. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
4. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9 @ 9psi
5. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno
6. Lafngas -214 - dynojet - gm s/c ld9
7. Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. - 178.6* - Dynojet - S/C LD9 @ 4.5psi
8. Bigtemps - 173.26 - Mustang - s/c LD9 @ 5psi

LN2 N/A
1. 96 Cav - 112.0 - Dynojet - Ln2 N/A

LN2 F/I
1. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi

had to put in my psi number



Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:13 PM
Adam Hahn wrote:

I don't want to create problems cause that's not why I'm here, but does the 3800 V6 even come in a J-Body? I think that if there is a debate over whether or not spyhunter can be on the list and he uses a J-body motor in another car, then how can Raven's 3800 V6 cavy be considered? Couldn't someone just drop an LS2 in a J-Body and take reign over this list? But I do like the uniqueness of Raven's car, and as we can see it is done very well. Nice Numbers Raven.


I'm going to quote myself because I do not have a problem with who is number one or who is on the list. All I mentioned was that, IN MY OPINION, if Spyhunter's car wasn't allowed (who puts down more HP than my car), than Raven's shouldn't be and in either case, I still wouldn't be number one. To further my point of not discluding you Raven, I said, "But I do like the uniqueness of Raven's car, and as we can see it is done very well. Nice Numbers Raven."

Raven wrote:

Adam: I was kind of surprised to read what you wrote, you never mentioned anything like this previous to me posting up numbers so whats the big deal now? Maybe yours shouldn't be counted because you have the full backing of a company who specializes in turbo creations. Regardless this is a pretty stupid thing to argue over, if you want the #1 spot that bad it's yours. Enjoy.


The reason I never mentioned anything before is because it didn't matter to me how much you put down, even if it was an unbelievably high number. I mentioned something because I just thought that because its an HP thread, Spyhunter should be in if you were in, that's it.



Street-Legal 2003 Sunfire 10.58 @ 139 MPH

Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:32 PM
1982 TOYOTA STARLET 26HP STOCK


Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:46 PM
justin wilverding wrote:

1982 TOYOTA STARLET 26HP STOCK


The award for dumbest post of the month, yes its being award already, goes to you. Good job moron.



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10K PB: 54:26
Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Thursday, August 02, 2007 4:23 AM
Like I said earlier, I didn't mean to offend you Adam. I knew someone was going to say something I just wasen't expecting it to be you thats all. It caught me a little off guard so no hard feelings man. We are all doing this for ourselves (well I hope at least) and it's great to see people making good power and pushing the limits further. I am hopeing to get back to the Dyno next Wednesday as long as my new MAF scaler comes in in time. Once that is hear I can scale the MAF table and add the needed fuel for more boost and timing.



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Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:44 AM
Need to add this member under LN2 Chad
He put down 99whp and 117wtq.



FU Tuning



Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:47 PM
Over All
1. Raven - 451hp 421ft-lbs - Turbo 3800
2 Spyhunter - 432hp 424ft-lbs - Turbo LD9 (n-body)
3. Adam Hahn- 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
4. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
5. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
6. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
7. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
8. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi
9. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9 @ 9psi
10. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno

Ecotec N/A
1. Ben Wenzel Jr - 181 - Mustang - Ecotec NA
2. Enthusiast - 161.73 - dynojet - Ecotec N/A
3. lostsol - 156.27- dynojet(us30) - Ecotec n/a
4. Jonathan Wehr - 147.34 - Dynojet - Ecotec N/A
5. Roy - 141 - dynojet - ecotec N/A

Ecotec F/I
1. Adam Hahn - 407.44 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
2. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
3. Chad Gillies - 224.- Dynapack- Turbo Ecotec @ 7psi
4. slvr05cav - 223 - Mustang - Turbo Ecotec @ 8psi

LD9 N/A
1. Brian aka SpeedRacerZ - 171hp - Dynojet- LD9 N/A
2. Mike, -MD-LD9 - 159.8 - Mustang - LD9 N/A
3. John Higgins - 151.46 - Dynojet - LD9 N/A
4. z yaaaa - 151.4 - Dynojet - LD9 n/a

LD9 F/I
1. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
2. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
3. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
4. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9 @ 9psi
5. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno
6. Lafngas -214 - dynojet - gm s/c ld9
7. Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. - 178.6* - Dynojet - S/C LD9 @ 4.5psi
8. Bigtemps - 173.26 - Mustang - s/c LD9 @ 5psi

LN2 N/A
1. 96 Cav - 112.0 - Dynojet - LN2 N/A
2. Chad - 99whp 117wtq - LN2 N/A

LN2 F/I
1. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi




- Paul

Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:10 PM
Dynoed the Sunfire today and made some fun numbers



With this power some quick times are sure to come.



Street-Legal 2003 Sunfire 10.58 @ 139 MPH
Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:11 PM
Try this one?





Street-Legal 2003 Sunfire 10.58 @ 139 MPH
Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:33 PM
AND THE TORQUE CHAMPION!

spy... *peep* :*(


-Trailblazer SS - not so custom 6.0L - custom intake - custom tune
- (1) 2.4L on an engine stand (1) blown trans (2) good quad trans (1) eco trans = party

Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:49 PM
Haha, I'll never have high TQ numbers with the size turbo im using haha.



Street-Legal 2003 Sunfire 10.58 @ 139 MPH
Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, August 06, 2007 11:29 AM
Well I just got back from the Dyno. 20G/PortFueler, crappy tuned by me @ 10.5psi











Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, August 06, 2007 12:26 PM
Looking good, I do hope you will be running 20+ PSI with that tasty PortFueler and 20G



Street-Legal 2003 Sunfire 10.58 @ 139 MPH
Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Monday, August 06, 2007 12:38 PM
Hopefully one of these days I can afford the internals to make it happen.







Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:41 AM
Over All
1. Adam Hahn- 515.54hp 357.46ft-lbs - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
2. Raven - 451hp 421ft-lbs - Turbo 3800
3 Spyhunter - 432hp 424ft-lbs - Turbo LD9 (n-body)
4. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
5. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
6. FstCavZ24 - 284.41hp 262.82ft-lbs - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 10.5psi on 20G/PortFueler
7. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
8. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
9. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi
10. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9 @ 9psi

Ecotec N/A
1. Ben Wenzel Jr - 181 - Mustang - Ecotec NA
2. Enthusiast - 161.73 - dynojet - Ecotec N/A
3. lostsol - 156.27- dynojet(us30) - Ecotec n/a
4. Jonathan Wehr - 147.34 - Dynojet - Ecotec N/A
5. Roy - 141 - dynojet - ecotec N/A

Ecotec F/I
1. Adam Hahn- 515.54hp 357.46ft-lbs - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec
2. Ryne Hoover - 301.2 - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 16PSI on 16G
3. FstCavZ24 - 284.41hp 262.82ft-lbs - DynoJet - Turbo Ecotec @ 10.5psi on 20G/PortFueler
4. Chad Gillies - 224.- Dynapack- Turbo Ecotec @ 7psi
5. slvr05cav - 223 - Mustang - Turbo Ecotec @ 8psi

LD9 N/A
1. Brian aka SpeedRacerZ - 171hp - Dynojet- LD9 N/A
2. Mike, -MD-LD9 - 159.8 - Mustang - LD9 N/A
3. John Higgins - 151.46 - Dynojet - LD9 N/A
4. z yaaaa - 151.4 - Dynojet - LD9 n/a

LD9 F/I
1. Brandon Fetter - 362- Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @13psi
2. Mr. Pute - 269.9-Dynapack - Remote Mount Turbo LD9 @ 11.5psi
3. 98redcavz24 - 246.02 - Dynojet - Turbo LD9 @11psi
4. PhilioZ24 - 241.00 - Mustang - Turbo LD9 @ 9psi
5. Cheeze~whiz - 231whp, Nitrous Ld9, dynojet chassis dyno
6. Lafngas -214 - dynojet - gm s/c ld9
7. Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. - 178.6* - Dynojet - S/C LD9 @ 4.5psi
8. Bigtemps - 173.26 - Mustang - s/c LD9 @ 5psi

LN2 N/A
1. 96 Cav - 112.0 - Dynojet - LN2 N/A
2. Chad - 99whp 117wtq - LN2 N/A

LN2 F/I
1. Ryan Egleston- 244.07 Dynojet - Turbo 2200 @10psi





Re: Top 25 WHP list :)
Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:47 AM
FstCavZ24, i just checked your profile and it sais you are s/c'd are you still? I figured you were using a turbo setup running 10.5psi and aiming for much higher, if i'm wrong let me know and i'll correct it. Although it sucks i can't edit.



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