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2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 8:52 AM














From GM...
The all-new 2012 Buick Verano compact luxury sedan, the brand’s third new model in the past two years and first in the compact luxury segment, will be revealed at the North American International Auto Show.

Verano goes on sale in the fourth quarter of 2011, the latest model in a product renaissance that began with the Enclave and continued with the LaCrosse and Regal. Like them, Verano is distinguished by luxury and technology, including 10 standard air bags, an available heated steering wheel and a next-generation radio system with OnStar-powered connectivity that enables seamless communication between the Verano and the driver’s smart phone.

An Ecotec 2.4L and six-speed automatic powertrain combination is standard and delivers an estimated 177 horsepower (132 kW) and 170 lb.-ft. torque (230 Nm), 0-60 mph performance of 8.0 seconds and an estimated 31 mpg on the highway. A 2.0L turbo engine will be offered in the future.

“Verano expands our lineup, continues Buick’s momentum and gives us a great opportunity to attract a new generation of customers with a product that delivers on their expectations for design, performance and technology,” said John Schwegman, vice president of Buick marketing. “It is a smart choice that delivers unexpected luxury in a compact sedan – and it will compete head-to-head with competitors from Audi and Lexus.”

Five elements infused in Verano that define its character:

-Sculpted design – Refined styling with a sporty profile, blending Buick’s signature cues – including a black chrome waterfall grille, blue translucent projector beam headlamps, portholes and chrome accents
-Luxurious interior – Premium seat comfort and support redefined for a compact sedan and matched with upscale, soft-touch materials and premium leather – all complemented by leading-edge infotainment and ambient lighting
-Quiet tuning – The quietest compact sedan on the road – quieter than many midsize and full-size cars – Verano’s quietness is supported by acoustical laminated glass, triple door seals, refined chassis dynamics and specially manufactured 17-inch standard forged alloy multi-spoke wheels, which minimize road noise
-Refined and responsive performance – Powerful and efficient Ecotec 2.4L/six-speed automatic powertrain matched with a refined, responsive suspension system, including a sophisticated Watts Z-link rear suspension and four-wheel disc brakes with standard anti-lock brakes, full-function traction control and StabiliTrak electronic stability control
-Purposeful technology – Convenience and safety features that enhance the driving experience and are rare for the segment, including 10 standard air bags, a next-generation radio, touch screen navigation and advanced connectivity technologies powered by OnStar.
Sculpted design

Verano carries the modern Buick design cues introduced on the Enclave and interpreted for the LaCrosse and Regal. They include a bold, detailed black chrome waterfall grille, prominent blue translucent projector beam headlamps, portholes, chrome accents, premium wheels and a tailored body-to-wheel relationship. An arching roofline connects a steeply raked windshield and fast-sloping rear pillars to give the car a sporty profile that’s complemented by large, 17-inch standard multi-spoke forged alloy sterling silver-finish wheels. Two premium 18-inch wheel designs are available.

“Verano translates Buick’s sculptural design language in a new size, with all the refinement and attention to detail pioneered by the Enclave and LaCrosse,” said Dave Lyon, design director. “Beyond all that, it’s simply a great-looking car. It has great proportions and sophisticated details that will look great for years to come.”

Unique to Verano are translucent blue projector-beam headlamps, which give the car a distinctive, upscale appearance. A palette of rich colors enhances the premium look, including Claret Red Tintcoat and White Diamond Tricoat. Other exterior color choices include Black, Olympic White, Switchblade Silver Metallic, Cyber Gray Metallic and Mocha Bronze Metallic.

Luxurious interior

Complementing Verano’s precisely crafted, premium-accented exterior is an interior marked by exceptional seat comfort and support, as well as premium soft-touch materials, including ambient lighting inspired by the LaCrosse. Metallic and wood trims and warm ambient lighting make the cabin an inviting environment.

Neutral and medium titanium colors are offered on interiors with leatherette/fabric seating surfaces, while ebony, cashmere and a unique Choccachino color are offered on the available leather-trimmed interiors. Verano uses the same premium leather material for the seats that is used on the LaCrosse.

The instrument panel blends with an integrated center stack that houses the infotainment display, climate controls and radio controls. Flush-mounted components within the center stack have a gap tolerance of less than 1 mm, while the instrument panel-to-door panel gaps are less than 5 mm. Those tolerances are among the best in class.

Verano’s headliner cover is made of a knit material that is one of five layers of an acoustically designed headliner to help quiet the passenger compartment. The interior pillar and other moldings are color- and grain-matched to the headliner.

Additional interior standard and available features include:

-Push-button engine start
-Dual-zone climate control with standard air conditioning (automatic climate control available)
-Heated steering wheel
-Heated leather-appointed seating
-Electronic parking brake
-Console armrest that slides and locks
-Power windows with express up/down in the front and express down in the rear
-Steering wheel radio controls
-Uplevel front and rear reading lamps.

Verano’s heated steering wheel and heated seats are linked with the remote start feature. In temperatures lower than 45 F (7 C), the steering wheel heater and seat heaters automatically activate.

Quiet tuning

Verano delivers the library-quiet driving experience for which Buicks have become known. Quiet-tuning systems, processes and components are built into every facet of the vehicle’s architecture. All are designed to block or absorb sound and dampen or eliminate vibrations.

Hydraulic ride bushings, for example, and an isolated engine cradle reduce or eliminate vibration pathways that could be transmitted to the passenger compartment. Similarly, a number of noise-reducing and noise-cancelling technologies are employed throughout the body structure, including:

-The steel front-of-dash panel is sandwiched between two damping mats
-Nylon baffles are used in various hollow portions of the body structure and filled with sound-absorbing foam that expands when the body enters the paint oven
-The headliner comprises five layers of thermal fiber acoustic material, including a premium woven fabric on the visible outer layer
-Patches of sound-damping material are applied strategically throughout the body structure and melt into place when the body passes through the paint oven, allowing the patches to follow the contours of the sheet metal below
-Sound insulation material between rear-body structural components that is made from recycled denim
-Triple-sealed doors that feature fiberglass “blankets” serve as water, airflow and noise barriers. The doors are also beta-braced, meaning they close with a solid, precise sound and no resonance
-Optimized windshield and side glass for quietness, with 5.4-mm-thick laminated windshield and 4.85-mm laminated side glass
-The engine’s intake and exhaust systems are tuned for quiet performance
-Isolated brake and fuel lines prevent vibrations.
Even the wheels and tires contribute to Verano’s quietness. The standard 17-inch aluminum wheels are manufactured in a unique way to enhance quietness, while the tires minimize road noise.

Refined and responsive performance

A power-dense Ecotec 2.4L four-cylinder, with dual-overhead camshafts, variable valve timing and E85 capability, is the standard engine in the Verano. It produces an estimated 177 horsepower (132 kW) and 170 lb.-ft. of torque (230 Nm). Direct injection technology helps it produce more power with less fuel and lower emissions – including up to 25-percent reduced hydrocarbon emissions when compared with a multi-point fuel injection engine. The engine is matched with a six-speed automatic transmission that helps the Verano deliver an estimated 31 mpg on the highway. Electric power steering and a more efficient transmission design help optimize fuel economy.

The front suspension uses decoupled MacPherson struts for better isolation, providing greater separation of extreme road conditions – large potholes, for example – from everyday driving conditions. At the rear, a technically advanced Watts Z-link design helps center the rear axle during cornering, which helps keep the Verano’s handling responses symmetrical on both left-hand and right-hand turns. The linkage’s capability to center the axle during cornering delivers a more-balanced driving experience because the rear suspension better follows the lead of the front suspension.

The Z-link design is also lighter and requires less space than a typical fully independent rear suspension. The lower weight contributes to Verano’s fuel economy, while the compact design enables more trunk space.

Steering inputs are executed by an electric power steering system, featuring a dual-pinion rack. Electric powering steering helps save fuel because it removes the conventional power steering pump from the engine’s driven accessories. Engineers tuned the speed-sensitive system to provide quick, direct reaction to steering actions and a strong on-center feel. The system has a ratio of 15.5:1 and requires only slightly more than two turns, lock to lock.

Stopping power is handled by a four-wheel disc brake system with standard anti-lock and electronic brake force distribution, as well as StabiliTrak electronic stability control with traction control.

Purposeful technology

Comprehensive connectivity is enabled by OnStar’s remote vehicle access, which makes keeping tabs on the vehicle a breeze from anywhere with a smart phone. Highlights include:

-Passive entry
-Heated steering wheel
-Touch screen navigation system
-Bluetooth connectivity (both phone and audio)
-XM Satellite Radio
-Bose sound system
-Next-generation radio.
Downloading an OnStar app enables the use of remote vehicle features from anywhere in the world. With a few taps, customers can check the:

-Fuel tank level and range
-Fuel mileage
-Remaining oil life
-Tire pressure
-Odometer reading.
Other remote-access features include remote vehicle locking/unlocking, remote vehicle start and a vehicle locator.

The next-generation radio system includes a navigation system, along with USB and auxiliary input jacks, and includes full Bluetooth with streaming audio, structural speech recognition, SMS texts and more. Additional connectivity features include text-to-speech conversion of SMS texts, smart phone app integration (Pandora, Stitcher, etc.) and Gracenote music organization for external devices (USB drives, etc.), including Playlist Plus and Album Art features.

Safety is another component in Verano’s technology story. Primary features include:

-Ten standard air bags, including frontal, head curtain side air bags, front and outboard rear-seat side-impact air bags and new knee air bags. The head-curtain side air bags deploy in a rollover crash
-StabiliTrak electronic stability control, traction control and anti-lock brakes
-Collapsible pedal system, which allows the pedals to detach during a crash to reduce the risk of leg or ankle injuries
-OnStar with Automatic Crash Response.

Verano has a strong, unitized body structure that incorporates 60-percent high-strength steel in key areas to enhance strength and crash protection. It is used to help prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment. Safety development included testing at GM’s rollover test facility.


2012 BUICK VERANO PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

Overview

Models:
2012 Buick Verano

Body style / driveline:
four-door, 5-passenger front engine transaxle; front-wheel-drive compact car

Construction:
steel body-frame integral with front and rear crumple zones; galvanized steel front fenders, hood, roof, door panels, one-piece bodyside outer panel, thermal plastic olefin (TPO) bumper fascias

Manufacturing location:
Orion Township, Mich.

Key competitors:
Lexus IS 250, Audi A3

Engines

Ecotec 2.4L DOHC I-4 (LEA)

Displacement (cu. in. / cc):
145 / 2384

Bore and stroke (in. / mm):
3.46 x 3.85 / 88 x 98

Block material:
precision sand cast aluminum

Cylinder head material:
SPM cast aluminum

Valvetrain:
overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, continuous variable valve timing for intake and exhaust

Ignition system:
individual coil-on-plug

Fuel delivery:
direct injection and electronic throttle control

Compression ratio:
11.2:1

Horsepower (hp / kW @ rpm):
177 / 132 @ 6200 rpm (estimated, SAE certification pending)

Torque (lb.-ft. / Nm @ rpm):
170 / 230 @ 4800 rpm (estimated, SAE certification pending)

Recommended fuel:
regular unleaded or E85

Emissions controls:
close-coupled, catalytic converter; variable valve timing; positive crankcase ventilation evaporative system

Estimated fuel economy
(city / hwy):
22 / 31

Transmissions

Hydra-Matic 6T45 6-speed automatic

Type:
six-speed transverse, electronically controlled, automatic overdrive transmission

Gear ratios (:1)
First:
4.58

Second:
2.96

Third:
1.91

Fourth:
1.45

Fifth:
1.00

Sixth:
0.75

Reverse:
2.84

Final drive:
3.23

Chassis/Suspension

Front:
independent, MacPherson strut-type with side-loaded strut modules, specifically tuned coil springs, direct-acting stabilizer bar (hollow); hydraulic ride bushings

Rear:
specifically adapted compound crank (torsion beam) with double-walled, U-shaped profile at the rear, Z-link (tunable control arm)

Traction control:
all-speed using engine torque reduction and brake intervention

Steering type:
rack-mounted electric power steering

Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
2.8

Turning circle, curb-to-curb (feet / meters):
36 / 11

Steering ratio:
15.5:1

Brakes

Type:
power-assisted four-wheel disc electronic brake force distribution and ABS

Brake rotor diameter – front (mm / in.):
300 / 11.8 vented; single-piston w/steel caliper

Brake rotor diameter – rear (mm / in.):
292 / 11.5 vented; single-piston w/steel caliper

Total swept area (cu cc; pad area):
TBD

Wheels/Tires

Wheel size and type:
17-inch forged alloy (std.)
18-inch alloy (opt. – two designs available)

Tires:
225/50R17 ALS
235/45R18 ALS

Dimensions
Exterior

Wheelbase (in. / mm):
105.7 / 2685

Overall length (in. / mm):
183.9 / 4671

Overall width (in. / mm):
71.4 / 1815

Overall height (in. / mm):
58.4 / 1484

Track width front (in. / mm):
60.7 / 1544

Track width rear (in. / mm):
61.3 / 1558

Curb weight (lb / kg):
3300 / 1497

Interior

Seating capacity (front / rear):
2 / 3

Headroom (in. / mm):
38.3 / 973 (front without sunroof)
37.2 / 945 (front with sunroof)
37.8 / 960 (rear without sunroof)
37.8 / 960 (rear with sunroof)

Legroom (in. / mm):
42 / 1068 (front)
33.9 / 861 (rear)

Shoulder room (in. / mm):
55.1 / 1399 (front)
53.8 / 1343 (rear)

Hip room (in. / mm):
53.7 / 1364 (front)
51.9 / 1320 (rear)

Passenger volume (cu. ft. / L) :
95 / 2690

Cargo volume (cu. ft. / L):
15.2 / 430 (maximum with tire inflator kit and without Bose Premium Audio)

14.3 / 405 (with spare tire/jack kit and without Bose Premium Audio)

14 / 396 (with spare tire/jack kit and Bose Premium Audio)

Capacities

Trailer towing maximum (lb. / kg):
1000 / 454

Fuel tank (gal. / L):
15 / 57

Cooling system (qt. / L):
TBD

Note: Information shown is current at time of publication




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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:33 AM
A buick cruze? At least they had the good sense to put a contemporary eco in it rather than that euro junk in the actual cruze.
Like the car and the idea, fear the sticker price and HATE the lack of real manual transmissions these days in domestic cars.



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:50 AM
i like it. i don't like that little window past the side mirrors tho.



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:51 AM
Interesting. not worth the money in my opinion. But then again, what from GM is.



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:15 AM
Take note that there will be a 2.0L Turbo. Now on the Regal, it is 220HP & 255HP(GS), will GM raise the Regal's output or do something stupid and let little brother have more power than big brother?
Also take note on the curb weight. OUCH!

Also take note on the parking brake handle.
Our version has a button, while the rest has a mechanical handle.
Pics found here
This is the pricing GM was throwing to the dealers.
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=6&i=224104&t=207706&p=2&r=2#REPLY
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:

Update from GM... .

December 2010

Subject: All-New 2012 Buick Compact Car - Order Study

We would like to invite you to participate in an online order study of a potential new addition to the Buick portfolio.

Please note that this potential new entry would be a compact car available in four models. As a result, it is important for us to gauge how you would order this vehicle and in what quantities. In addition, each model builds off of the previous model. Proposed models are as follows:

1.) 1SB Cloth Base
• 2.4L 4-cylinder engine
• 180 hp @ 6700 rpm
• 172 lb-ft of torque @ 4900 rpm
• 6-Speed automatic transmission
Estimated MSRP range: $20,900 - $21,500 *

2.) 1SD Cloth Mid-Level
Adds to 1SB
• Remote Start
• Auto Dual HVAC
• Connected Color Radio with Bluetooth Connectivity
Estimated MSRP range: $22,100 - $22,700*

3.) 1SG Cloth Mid-Level
Adds to 1SB & 1SD
• 6-way power driver
• Heated ORVMs
• Rear Park Assist
• EC ISRVM
Estimated MSRP range: $23,300 - 23,900*

4.) 1SL Leather Up-Level
Adds to 1SB, 1SD & 1SG
• Heated Seats/Steering Wheel
• Passive Entry & Push Button Start
• Bose Premium Audio
• 18” Wheels
Estimated MSRP range: $25,600 – 26,200*

*Note: Total vehicle pricing will NOT be shown in the order study




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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:29 AM
Looks good.



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:07 AM
oldskool (eco meatcake) wrote:

A buick cruze? At least they had the good sense to put a contemporary eco in it rather than that euro junk in the actual cruze.
Like the car and the idea, fear the sticker price and HATE the lack of real manual transmissions these days in domestic cars.

Agreed.
Even on the Korean cars are lowering the numbers of manual cars. Although I'm not to giddy on the Euro Ecotecs, I gotta admit there is sizable drop in fuel efficiency, especially on the ECO Cruze. Ironically the Eco Cruze is about 500lbs lighter, carries a proper manual trasmission and results in 42MPG hwy compared with 31MPG here.

And how come this engine doesn't have 190-200HP already?



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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:21 PM
Boring.


Josh
SLK 32



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:47 PM
oldskool (eco meatcake) wrote:

At least they had the good sense to put a contemporary eco in it rather than that euro junk in the actual cruze.



LOL man... hate to point it out but all eco's are 'euro junk'.

i get what you mean though... and agree.






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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:58 PM
z yaaaa wrote:

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hate to point it out but all eco's are 'euro junk'.

Hate to point it out, but false.



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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Thursday, January 06, 2011 6:23 PM
Euro junk = ass backwards, plastic valve cover ZERO American aftermarket support piece they put in the cruze and the late saturn astra
contemporary eco = what we know and love...and for which we have some support.




Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 5:50 AM
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:

z yaaaa wrote:


hate to point it out but all eco's are 'euro junk'.

Hate to point it out, but false.


hate to ACTUALLY point it out, but true.

saab and opel created the ecotec.....

wikipedia wrote:

The Ecotec Family II is a DOHC 4-valve design with an aluminum block and head (L850 for 86 mm bore applications, and L880 for 88 mm bore), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. It was developed by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Trollhättan, Sweden. The ECOTEC was developed by SAAB engineers in 1987 with the help of GM & Opel, to replace the SAAB 9000 L4 engine, as per the video Press release in 1989 of the 50/50 agreement of SAAB & GM


guess where they are from?

wikipedia wrote:

The Adam Opel AG is a German automobile company founded by Adam Opel in 1862[2]. Opel has been building automobiles since 1899, and became an AG in 1929. In late 2005 the company was transformed into a GmbH (PLC).

The company is headquartered in Rüsselsheim, Germany, and has been a wholly owned subsidiary of General Motors Company since 1929.


wikipedia wrote:

Germany, officially the Federal Republic of Germany (German: Bundesrepublik Deutschland, is a country in Central Europe.


wikipedia wrote:

SSAB Swedish Steel AB (in Swedish SSAB Svenskt Stål AB), or simply SAAB (OMX: SSAB A) is a Swedish company, formed in 1978 and specialised in processing raw material to steel. Industrivärden is the largest shareholder.

The headquarter is located in central Stockholm. The production is located at Luleå, Borlänge, Oxelösund and Finspång. SSAB Sweden produces 3,9 million tonnes of steel.


wikipedia wrote:

Sweden (pronounced /ˈswiːdən/ ( listen) SWEE-dən, Swedish: officially the Kingdom of Sweden. is a Nordic country on the Scandinavian Peninsula in Northern Europe.


see? 'euro'.







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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 6:07 AM
Ok, pardon my misnomer. I was referring to the platforms in which the cruze eco comes, compared to what we are used in the jbody and delta bodies.

When i refer to "euro", i'm talking about what they put in the cruze. It wears an ecotec badge, but is not the same platform as L61, LE5, LSJ, LNF, ect...it shares the name and the fact that it's a DOHC 4-cyl; that's it. It's not interchangable. The engine in the cruze, astra and aveo are not at all performance oriented in the states. To me they are dogs just like what comes in the hynudai and kia small cars.



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 6:49 AM
lol i know man, thats why in my original post i said i understood what you meant, and agree.

to me they are all 'euro junk'. but that is just me and everyone knows where i stand on it. gm outsourced the ecotec engine and i am against outsourcing wholeheartedly. regardless of weather or not it was gm backed... it still was not 'gm' designed so therefore TO ME... its not a 'gm' engine. thus the hatred. thats what its always been about for me.... nothing more. if i wanted a foreign design i'd jump on the honda bandwagon in a heartbeat.



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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 9:36 AM
z yaaaa wrote:

Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:

z yaaaa wrote:


hate to point it out but all eco's are 'euro junk'.

Hate to point it out, but false.


hate to ACTUALLY point it out, but true.

saab and opel created the ecotec.....

But-but-but it is in Wikipedia, so it must be true! lol
Hate to point it, out but you were fooled into buying into GM's marketing gimmick. The Ecotec that was done with the (help) of Saab and Opel and sold here are the ones in the Saab 9-3 line up and LSJ and LNF; as mainly Saab knows how to do F/I engines. The L61 is a clean sheet design using technology from previous American GM I4s.
And really Wikipedia? The site that I can go on and change the text to say that Ecotec is derived from a Yugo? I will recognize that GM did put out a similar press release, but when you open the hood, you will clearly see a distinction.
GM used Europe because there a-holes who think that what ever comes out of Europe are god's gift to the world.

Look at the L61 and it's architecture and you'll notice it is a evolution of LD9, LN2, Saturn's LKO & L24. Look at the "European" Ecotec and there is nothing similar other then the name. Even in the latest European Ecotecs found on the Cruze, Volt, Aveo, Sonic has absolute zero relation to the architecture to the American (L61) Ecotec.
Traits found on the Euro Ecotec not found on the American Ecotec:
-Cast Aluminum head Iron Block.
-Belt driven water pump.
-Exhaust up front
-Intake in the back
-Belt driven

American L61 Ecotec carries the evolution of passed America GM I4, none of which are found on Euro Ecotec:
-Lost foam casting (LN2 LKO L24)
-Aluminum head and block (LKO L24)
-Chain drive water pump (LD9)
-Exhaust in the back (LD9)
-Intake in the front (LD9)
-Chain driven (LD9, LN2, LKO & L24)

You know I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that American GM engineers went over Russelsheim, Germany and designed the American Ecotec that we and NHRA know here.

And since you never opened a hood to visual distinguish the American Ecotec vs European Ecotec here are some google pics:
Euro Ecotec see the similarities?







American Ecotec:

Oddly looks to familiar to the LD9. Hmmm? Can you tell where GM based the American Ecotec?






Still want to be hard headed and blind? Just don't ruin this Buick Verano thread.



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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 10:10 AM
Well with the nut twisting aside. That car looks like it would be nice for what it is built for. A small luxury car with decent features. Not a high end CTS for the wanna be road warrior with a manual high out-put rear wheel drive. But for a small luxury model vehicle it looks comfortable as hell, reminds of a BMW with the tails and it's not hard on the eyes by any means.



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 11:07 AM
I still think the 2.0, 2.2, and 2.4 ECOs are beautiful motors and can withstand a beating. I miss mine

Buuut, that Buick is still boring : / They should attempt to build another sports car.


Josh
SLK 32



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 7:59 PM
so what... im supposed to believe YOU with zero document or fact backing? a bunch of pictures are supposed to show facts? just because they look similar doesnt mean jack. saab and opel probably designed them that way to fit in the j-body engine bay pretty much like the LD9 and LN2 did. sure the new designs are different... SO ARE THE CARS!

and yes.. i did get this info from wikipedia. i have seen this info in other places as well. but... id trust wikipedia over 99% of people on this website thats for sure...

i see where ur coming from though, you dont want to admit that gm outsourced engine design. its fine, you need to let go. gm did it.





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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 8:01 PM
I suppose the Duramax is a 100% GM engine too.......



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 8:44 PM
Cadillac Cimmaron ? Interior is the only thing intriguing me to GM stuff right now...what a change from the Cobalts.....inside out actually!



Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 9:49 PM
z yaaaa wrote:

so what... im supposed to believe YOU with zero document or fact backing? a bunch of pictures are supposed to show facts? just because they look similar doesnt mean jack.

I could careless if you believe me or not, open the the hood, kick in your common sense and you'll get your facts. Ever stop and think why such a different architecture for Europe and for the US? Because Europe does not like using/buying American products. Cadillacs, Camaros Corvettes do not sell over there. Chevrolet consist of Korean cars. Even the Astra uses a European Ecotec not the American version. Cobalt uses a American version and it is under the same chassis as the old late 90s Astra. Go figure?
What's funny your source claims Saab invented Ecotec, when they use the name Ecopower or Saab Turbo instead instead. And lastly, I guess you skipped your very own "GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan," quote too. But yhea our Ecotec is European, because Pontiac, Michigan was formed after the wall fell.

Quote:

i see where ur coming from though, you dont want to admit that gm outsourced engine design. its fine, you need to let go. gm did it.

FYI there is more outsourcing in chassis engineering and manufacturing, then your conspiracy in "engine design."

Lastly, you're going to think this is a foreign engine as it has a Ecotec V6 nomenclature.
From your bible.


Bottom line; the American Ecotec is as much German as this vehicle. Don't believe... I don't care, suck a nut and move on with your ignorance.




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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Friday, January 07, 2011 9:55 PM
Back on topic...
Brocklanders wrote:

Cadillac Cimmaron ? Interior is the only thing intriguing me to GM stuff right now...what a change from the Cobalts.....inside out actually!

Although we like to joke around but at least there is strong distinction between the Cruze and the Verano. Exterior, interior and engine choices. I could not agree more on the upgrade from rat hole found in the Cobalt.



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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Saturday, January 08, 2011 8:30 AM
you can believe what you will and i will believe what i will... the fact still remains that the ecotec isnt 100% gm. i never said gm had NOTHING to do with it, come on... they had to if it was going into their cars. the majority was not gm thought up though and thats enough for me.

sure most cars today are more outsourced than ever before but at least i can take comfort in knowing the engines i tune were made by the name on the god damn car they sit in.

bask in ur european 'excellence' if you want to........ i dont have to.



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Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Saturday, January 08, 2011 9:11 AM
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:


Although we like to joke around but at least there is strong distinction between the Cruze and the Verano. Exterior, interior and engine choices. I could not agree more on the upgrade from rat hole found in the Cobalt.


I'm sure the differences are quite significant, but the thinking which was wrong in the 80's is wrong again in the....(f-ck what we now? the Teens?)...and goes to show GM is much the same as before. Badge engineering on any scale always seems to dilute their brands. My only question is the interior quality, as in what it feels like in -25c at 6 a.m. going to work. My Mazda hardly has a peep, while as recent as my old cobalt squeaked and groaned from every damn seam and joint. Stuff like that really undermines the quality "feel".





Re: 2012 Buick Verano
Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:59 AM
I think it's an interesting concept to possibly compete with the luxury small car segment, including the luxury (non-sport) models of the C-class, 3 series, A3/A4, IS, and TSX. Not sure how it'll fair though.



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