too bad it looks like hell
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-Z Yaaaa- wrote:lol how is an evo or wrx NOTa "sport compact" ok maybe more like a "sport midsize" but the sport compact thing is just like basically calling it a "tuner" car anymore.
kids still buy them, do mods to them according to the "sport compact" aka "tuner" world. they are just as much part of that world as a honda civic, eclipse, srt-4, cavalier, etc are.
and as far as the "Scene" goes... the way i see, it goes according to basically what the fast and the furious movie of this year is doing. they have basically taken out the car stuff in place for heist stuff. but if you follow the movies thats where the scene REALLY erupted and now seems to have died out same as the movies, "sport compact" or "tuner" wise anyway.
Sorry Brad the sport compact scene start before FF.
But to for once agree with you. Off what you said the last FF movie was mostly V8's, and off what I said earlier, that would support what you said about the trend following the movie.
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Viper98912 wrote:Maybe I've just outgrown it then and moved on
I think a lot of people have.
Where is the link to see of of these cars? Maybe I'm just blind.....
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Addicted to meth wrote:-Z Yaaaa- wrote:lol how is an evo or wrx NOTa "sport compact" ok maybe more like a "sport midsize" but the sport compact thing is just like basically calling it a "tuner" car anymore.
kids still buy them, do mods to them according to the "sport compact" aka "tuner" world. they are just as much part of that world as a honda civic, eclipse, srt-4, cavalier, etc are.
and as far as the "Scene" goes... the way i see, it goes according to basically what the fast and the furious movie of this year is doing. they have basically taken out the car stuff in place for heist stuff. but if you follow the movies thats where the scene REALLY erupted and now seems to have died out same as the movies, "sport compact" or "tuner" wise anyway.
Sorry Brad the sport compact scene start before FF.
But to for once agree with you. Off what you said the last FF movie was mostly V8's, and off what I said earlier, that would support what you said about the trend following the movie.
i never claimed it did... however, it DID blow up real big AFTER the release of the first movie and thereafter.
and yea, not that there is a damn thing wrong with V8/muscle cars etc. i am definitely a fan but it just gives off the vibe.. at least in my opinion that "ok we listened to all the people making fun of us for having this "tuner" cars on our movies so lets follow the "norm"".
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I like this. I'm actually considering getting one of these as a commuter. Looking forward to seeing the final MPG ratings on these. With the Cruze Eco coming in with a 42 rating, I'm curious what a Sonic gets with the 6 speed manual.
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Not bad looking but whats really the difference between it and the cruze? Cruze is nice looking too but they both have the same problem, an underpowered engine.
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Not bad looking but whats really the difference between it and the cruze? Cruze is nice looking too but they both have the same problem, an underpowered engine.
Its only under powered if its intended to be a more than what it really is. Its not designed to be a balls out race car, its a @!#$ cheap grocery getter. 138 HP is only a few shy of what the last Cavalier made. Guess what, the cruze fills the same spot that the cavalier did.
Yeah but the cruze weight over a quarter ton more than the cavalier did.
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Viper98912 wrote:A WRX and Evo aren't sport compacts, at least in my opinion.
The Si and Forte have great markets, and there will always be this market, but the aftermarket and general scene IMO is over.
The scene isn't "over". Not nearly. What you're seeing is that all of us that own a compact and love modding & all things fast have weathered the storm of ricers, F&F retards, cash grab companies, and a flooded market. And now that the storm is over, the things we're left with are companies making quality parts for deserving new cars, putting real R&D into they're parts, and small shops that specialize in one brand, an aspect of compact tuning, or a small range of cars.
There is less aftermarket in general, but what are you missing about the flooded market we had? APC? Guys like IZNTRBL? Ultra boss combat evo body kits? Riced out Geo Metros?
I could go on, but you get the idea.
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I don't know if I can ever understand the argument of an economy car being under powered. You might as well argue about a dually that gets bad MPG.
But GM has shown they can get the same gas mileage with a more powerful engine. I mean if the engine has the same mounts it takes minimally more work to put it in, might as well offer it as an option.
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Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Mr. Quick wrote:I like this. I'm actually considering getting one of these as a commuter. Looking forward to seeing the final MPG ratings on these. With the Cruze Eco coming in with a 42 rating, I'm curious what a Sonic gets with the 6 speed manual.
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Yeah, I found an article somewhere the day after I posted that with the predicted ratings. I was disappointed. If the Cruze can get 42, I expected this to get a few more. Although for the price point, this is still a good choice for a commuter, I think I'd rather have the larger car if the MPG is no better.
29/40 10 years later...is that really that good with better engine management and a 6 speed i have little doubt an eco cav could exceed that
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Mr. Quick wrote:Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Mr. Quick wrote:I like this. I'm actually considering getting one of these as a commuter. Looking forward to seeing the final MPG ratings on these. With the Cruze Eco coming in with a 42 rating, I'm curious what a Sonic gets with the 6 speed manual.
EPA rated...29City/40HWY.
Yeah, I found an article somewhere the day after I posted that with the predicted ratings. I was disappointed. If the Cruze can get 42, I expected this to get a few more. Although for the price point, this is still a good choice for a commuter, I think I'd rather have the larger car if the MPG is no better.
The Cruze gets the 42MPG rating because the it has the low rolling reistant tires, active aero shutters, and belly aero mods. But Sonic has the same 6th gear ratio, but with also a taller final drive than the Cruze Eco, combine that with a set of L-R tires and with its 200-300lbs lighter weight, I am willing to bet you will pass the Eco Cruze's 42mpg rating. Sonic has potential in that dept.
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Viper98912 wrote:Maybe I've just outgrown it then and moved on
^^ That. The aftermarket is far from over, believe me. But at the same time as you grew up, the industry evolved.
Leafy (Club Jeffie FEA man) wrote:But GM has shown they can get the same gas mileage with a more powerful engine. I mean if the engine has the same mounts it takes minimally more work to put it in, might as well offer it as an option.
Its all about money. It would take more R&D work, more road testing, more emissions standards to pass. For what, a few thousand additional sales? Its not worth it, not by a long shot. And consider the consumer end. Offering more powerful engines puts the car in a different category for insurance companies. That makes the car more expensive for a consumer in the long run. It just doesn't make any business sense to attempt to put a more powerful engine in a car that was not meant to have it in the first place.
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Copter wrote:I don't know if I can ever understand the argument of an economy car being under powered. You might as well argue about a dually that gets bad MPG.
ok thats fine then they need to stop selling them as bad ass "fast looking tuner" cars and make them into the bland, plastic hubcap wearing, no spoiler having, pos's they really need to be.
basically, in a nutshell... gm wants to sell cars that get good mileage but only LOOK like they go fast.
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-Z Yaaaa- wrote:ok thats fine then they need to stop selling them as bad ass "fast looking tuner" cars and make them into the bland, plastic hubcap wearing, no spoiler having, pos's they really need to be.
I think you are confusing a tuner car with a sports car. They are not the same thing. Most tuner cars for the last few decades began life as small low powered commuter cars.
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i would like to see this with a turbo setup
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