Cavalier_Sport_2002 wrote:from the book "Chevrolet built the ZL1 in 69 and made it avaliable as copo " the fact remains thats it was endorsed by chevy not like dealers were just pulling the zl1 out of their ass and my SS can take anY mustang except for a cobra and they had to put a supercharger on it to put it out of my league but if i slaped one on my car i would kill a mustang
if this isnt a "my penis is bigger than your penis" post, i dont know what is
Ace140 wrote:*cough*torque*cough*
yea that 95 camaro has so much more torque, its like 5 ftlbs! makes up for the difference in hp so much!
sappyL61 wrote:id like to have loyal friends a dont know about you guys
and whos being narrow minded?
i just want the facts
what does loyal friends have to do with ANYTHING?!?!
here ill post some of your quotes showing your narrow mindedness:
sappyL61 wrote:lt1 manual is a low 14 sec car
ive seen one of the reflashed stangs runnig low thirteens
bs on the 12's on street tires w/ no other mods
and it wont be too long before they all start to break
sappyL61 wrote:my bad about the time on the z28
my friend had a ragged out one that ran 14's
so ford has a 300hp v8 gm has 400,500hp v8s now
05gtos are faster than the 05 mustang also
only reason they arent reflashed yet is because companies are working on the ls2 computer
not knowing what youre talking about here
sappyL61 wrote:scott9050 wrote:EastCoastBeast II wrote:better electronics???
Um.....ok...?
The EEC IV is the most adaptable computer that was made by either GM or Ford, and that is a fact. There have been people run well into the 8's with stock EEC IV electronics on a Fox body Mustang.
doesnt mean its better
Cavalier_Sport_2002 wrote:from the book "Chevrolet built the ZL1 in 69 and made it avaliable as copo " the fact remains thats it was endorsed by chevy not like dealers were just pulling the zl1 out of their ass and my SS can take anY mustang except for a cobra and they had to put a supercharger on it to put it out of my league but if i slaped one on my car i would kill a mustang
Congratulations on your use of a paragraph to make a run on sentence. Wow, an SS can take any Mustang huh? How come I am 5-0 against LS-1's in my AOD 90 LX hatch? It's a Mustang, and it's not a Cobra
. Of course I am not stupid enough to make a blanket statement like you, but the statement was so close to be incomprehensible that I could get very little out of it. I guess I will be using all of my monthly posts on this thread as some do not want to let this one rest.
I have no idea about the "loyal friends" comment either , I have never met or talked to themarin8r, he just seems to have some sense. I also find it funny that when I slap this ridiculous claptrap down, they move on to the next ridiculous point and do not even bother to acknowlege that they were wrong. I believe I have been the only one here to do so when I misread the post about the SS. A man admits his mistakes and moves on, a lesson some on here could well learn.
wtf is narrow minded
12's on street tires
maybe drag radials
i dont know what your problem is marin8r
maybe you just dont like me
Well the loyal friend comment wasnt about anyone dammit.
You keep bitching about loyality and I don't see a problem w/ it/ I was comparing it to everyday life.
Im not trying to be an ass so quit trying to make me out to be one.
I never said all mustangs are slow on topic. I think it would be a good race between the 15 and the 05 even with the 10 years of technological advances. I just dont like mustangs because they are a me too car. And frankly it's annoying.
sappyL61 wrote: I just dont like mustangs because they are a me too car. And frankly it's annoying.
A cavalier is not also a "me too" car, especially with more production numbers than the Mustang? I'm just trying to follow the logic.
true, but you dont brag about a cavy
but not every cavy owner thinks their car is fast or great
while maybe its just me, but alot of mustang owners think they are gods gift to automobiles everywhere
sappyL61 wrote:true, but you dont brag about a cavy
but not every cavy owner thinks their car is fast or great
while maybe its just me, but alot of mustang owners think they are gods gift to automobiles everywhere
There are cocky fools who drive everything. If I see a 13 second Mustang, I am not impressed in the least, but if I see a 13 second J-body, I am impressed.
For someone to take a car that is slow to begin with and make it fast, especially if you did the work yourself, then I am impressed.
Damn, I should have hopped on here from early page 2. If I start quoting and responding to I will be here all day.
But I will make this remark the 2005 has finally catched up to the LS1s F-body (showroom stock). Took them awile... but catched up.
I will agree both cars can be fun as hell. I have already driven the 2005 GT Mustang at Homestead speedway and clocked 139mph. The car was steady, something the old fox platform was hard to say.
But both cars F-body and Mustang are fun cars.
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sappyL61 wrote:wtf is narrow minded
12's on street tires
maybe drag radials
i dont know what your problem is marin8r
maybe you just dont like me
Well the loyal friend comment wasnt about anyone dammit.
You keep bitching about loyality and I don't see a problem w/ it/ I was comparing it to everyday life.
Im not trying to be an ass so quit trying to make me out to be one.
I never said all mustangs are slow on topic. I think it would be a good race between the 15 and the 05 even with the 10 years of technological advances. I just dont like mustangs because they are a me too car. And frankly it's annoying.
narrow minded is when you dismiss everything immediately and accept only what you want
which is exactly what you were doing
and still are
and the loyal friend comment still makes no sense
brand loyalty and loyal friends are 2 totally different things
and more mustangs were produced because they sold more
and now with the absence of a camaro, there is really only oneentry priced "muscle car", and that is the mustang
people are entitled to opinions
get over yourself mari8r
i havent dismissed anything so i dont know what your prolem is
scott 950 i totally agree about respecting a 13 sec cav or any think like that ass opposed to a 13 sec mustang or such
get over myself? im not bragging about anything, just pointing out facts and observations
Jut let this one sink, it's all good
Everyone here, including me, owns a J-body.
This rivalry has been going on since 1967 when the camaro first made it's debut. The arguments have changed a little bit, but at the heart its still the same clash as it was 38 years ago.
well if this means anything my friend has a 01 cobra and got beat by a stock 97 z28 auto. the mustang had it through first and second then the z pulled past in third and put about 2 cars on us by fourth. this was just friday night. from a stop with someone flagin us. then we caught a newer ss and it was dead even from a 35 mph roll till 90. my buddy bought the the cobra used 3 month's ago from a caddy dealer so it has a gm warrenty. it came with bassani catless x-pipe borla catback and k&n fipk ,tri-ax shifter. well about a month ago we raced a sti from a roll and dig and got stomped by about 2 cars. well about 2 weeks ago the cobra's rear end took a poop. he took it to the caddy dealer and they sent him straight to ford,well the ford mechanic ripped his rear end out and found out the car had a 4:10 gear. so with a 4:10 he still got beat by a stock sti with the temp plate still on it. but is dead even with a SS with the stock 3:27 gears.
Yamaha Suzuki wrote:well if this means anything my friend has a 01 cobra and got beat by a stock 97 z28 auto. the mustang had it through first and second then the z pulled past in third and put about 2 cars on us by fourth. this was just friday night. from a stop with someone flagin us. then we caught a newer ss and it was dead even from a 35 mph roll till 90. my buddy bought the the cobra used 3 month's ago from a caddy dealer so it has a gm warrenty. it came with bassani catless x-pipe borla catback and k&n fipk ,tri-ax shifter. well about a month ago we raced a sti from a roll and dig and got stomped by about 2 cars. well about 2 weeks ago the cobra's rear end took a poop. he took it to the caddy dealer and they sent him straight to ford,well the ford mechanic ripped his rear end out and found out the car had a 4:10 gear. so with a 4:10 he still got beat by a stock sti with the temp plate still on it. but is dead even with a SS with the stock 3:27 gears.
I hate to tell you this, but there are 2 posibilities here, either your friend can not drive worth a crap, or the 97 Z-28 was not anywhere close to stock. An '01 Cobra is capable of low 13's with traps over 105, something no stock LT-1 6spd or auto is capable of. WIth 4.10 gears and the above mentioned mods the car is deep into the 12's at around 107-108 with a corresponding increase in top end speed to around 160 becasue of the extra pull in 5th gear, so something here is not right. A 97 Z-28 auto should run low 14's at 96-98 stock. Going by the race results, I would bet he drives a stick about as good as a 90 year old one legged one eyed one arm man.
? when did they start to put the ls1 in the camaro?
ok it might have been a 98 becouse it was a ls1 newer style headlights. and my friend can drive good. he got the holeshot and the begining of third the z28 pulled past . and put about 1-2 cars on him. he's runnin 285 nitto 555's in the rear. he never got the car to the track yet but with the first old ass gtech he got a best of 13.8, i know there not very acurate.
Yamaha Suzuki wrote:ok it might have been a 98 becouse it was a ls1 newer style headlights. and my friend can drive good. he got the holeshot and the begining of third the z28 pulled past . and put about 1-2 cars on him. he's runnin 285 nitto 555's in the rear. he never got the car to the track yet but with the first old ass gtech he got a best of 13.8, i know there not very acurate.
If can only pull a 13.8 on a G-Tech, he can't drive. A stock '01 Cobra was only a hair behind a 6spd LS-1, with the mods mentioned it would be faster than any stock Auto LS-1. Again, either he can't drive or the LS-1 was not stock.
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I hate to tell you this, but there are 2 posibilities here, either your friend can not drive worth a crap, or the 97 Z-28 was not anywhere close to stock. An '01 Cobra is capable of low 13's with traps over 105, something no stock LT-1 6spd or auto is capable of. WIth 4.10 gears and the above mentioned mods the car is deep into the 12's at around 107-108 with a corresponding increase in top end speed to around 160 becasue of the extra pull in 5th gear, so something here is not right. A 97 Z-28 auto should run low 14's at 96-98 stock. Going by the race results, I would bet he drives a stick about as good as a 90 year old one legged one eyed one arm man.
Wow way to go Mr. Magazine racer. How many LT1's have you seen run? My AUTO 96' ran 14.0 BONE STOCK with tractions issues. With just an exhaust i was in the 13's. My last 96' i had with a stick ran 13.7 also stone stock. It doesnt take much to make an LT-1 crank. A decent LT1 will get and LS1 out of the hole, but lack on top end compared to the LS1. an 01' Cobra will NOT run deep in the 12's with gears exhaust and intake. Ive seen alot of newer mustangs run like @!#$. Dont get my wrong i like the new stangs but they dont respond to mods like they used to. Give me an old fox body 5.0 anyday. Go to any camaro forum..or hell even a mustang forum and ask these same questions. Mustang owners know who in charge here. Im just glad i down own either. 430HP LT4 all the way.
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import, that camaro isn't currenly in Ft meade, is it?..i recall seeing a black camaro in front of me a few months back which had import fighter on the rear bumper.
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I hate to tell you this, but there are 2 posibilities here, either your friend can not drive worth a crap, or the 97 Z-28 was not anywhere close to stock. An '01 Cobra is capable of low 13's with traps over 105, something no stock LT-1 6spd or auto is capable of. WIth 4.10 gears and the above mentioned mods the car is deep into the 12's at around 107-108 with a corresponding increase in top end speed to around 160 becasue of the extra pull in 5th gear, so something here is not right. A 97 Z-28 auto should run low 14's at 96-98 stock. Going by the race results, I would bet he drives a stick about as good as a 90 year old one legged one eyed one arm man.
Wow way to go Mr. Magazine racer. How many LT1's have you seen run? My AUTO 96' ran 14.0 BONE STOCK with tractions issues. With just an exhaust i was in the 13's. My last 96' i had with a stick ran 13.7 also stone stock. It doesnt take much to make an LT-1 crank. A decent LT1 will get and LS1 out of the hole, but lack on top end compared to the LS1. an 01' Cobra will NOT run deep in the 12's with gears exhaust and intake. Ive seen alot of newer mustangs run like @!#$. Dont get my wrong i like the new stangs but they dont respond to mods like they used to. Give me an old fox body 5.0 anyday. Go to any camaro forum..or hell even a mustang forum and ask these same questions. Mustang owners know who in charge here. Im just glad i down own either. 430HP LT4 all the way.
swap the rearend in the cobra and itll be in 12's
of course do it to a camaro and it should be 11's
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import, that camaro isn't currenly in Ft meade, is it?..i recall seeing a black camaro in front of me a few months back which had import fighter on the rear bumper.
Wasnt me man, my car has been stored safely in the garage since october.
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swap the rearend in the cobra and itll be in 12's..of course do it to a camaro and it should be 11's
I honestly dont get what your saying man? Are we talking stock here? Mustang rearends are ALOT stronger then any camaro rearend. My 7.5 rear end in my camaro is garbage. Also ive never seen a stang run 12's with only gears..to my knowledge..if u have any info plz enlighten me. I also know for a FACT that a camaro will not see the daylight of a 11 second pass with gears. A decent gear is usually good for around a half a second. My 3.23's are junk i tell ya..
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