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Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:43 AM
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cars5mar05,1,150575.story?ctrack=2&cset=true
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Subaru jumped 16 places to become the most reliable automotive brand overall for 2004 models. It's the first time Subaru finished in the top spot in the 26 years Consumer Reports has conducted the survey



i'm surprised...Toyota's now at #3 in the market, followed by Lexus at #4. maybe this will be the leverage needed to convince dad that he and mom NEED a Legacy GT wagon...muahahah.




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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:32 AM
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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:40 AM
Just go to yahoo, its on the front page..


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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:21 AM
huh.


i seriously have no idea why it's doing that...it did that to me on a couple of forums.

no matter...i'll copy and paste here.


Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
It is most reliable among brands, Consumer Reports says. Hyundai Sonata heads the car list.


By John O'Dell, Times Staff Writer


Subaru, the Japanese automaker known for its all-wheel-drive vehicles, won the top spot for the highest-quality brand among new cars in Consumer Reports' annual automotive issue.

The magazine's annual survey of product quality and performance, which hits newsstands Tuesday but has already gone to subscribers, ranks Japanese and South Korean automakers tops for quality. U.S. brands are second but fall below the industry average, and Europeans rank a distant third.

Subaru jumped 16 places to become the most reliable automotive brand overall for 2004 models. It's the first time Subaru finished in the top spot in the 26 years Consumer Reports has conducted the survey.

Subaru owners reported eight problems per 100 cars and SUVs sold — an 8% problem rate. Honda was the second-highest-rated brand at 9%, and Toyota took third at 10%. Lexus, last year's leader, fell to fourth with an 11% rate.

In another surprise, the magazine found South Korean automaker Hyundai Motor Co.'s mid-size Sonata sedan to be the most reliable car in the U.S. last year, with just two problems reported for every 100 cars sold.

"That's quite dramatic and shows that Hyundai has really made a big effort," said David Champion, Consumer Reports' auto testing director. "It used to be a joke to have Hyundai and reliability in the same sentence."

Last year's reliability champ was Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus GS sedan.

"With Subaru and Hyundai doing so well, we have two newcomers pushing the others to do even better," Champion said.

The magazine's quality ratings are based on surveys from 810,000 vehicle owners. Subscribers were asked to report problems in 17 areas, such as engine or bodywork troubles, for vehicles up to 8 years old.

As for the U.S. automakers, they keep drawing closer to their Asian rivals but never quite catch up. The best U.S. brands — Ford, which ranked ninth, and Pontiac, 10th — had 15 problems per 100 vehicles for 2004 models, more than twice Subaru's rate. Audi was the best from Europe, with a 12% problem rate.

The industry average for 2004 model vehicles was a 16% problem rate, compared with 17% a year earlier.

As a group, Asian brands averaged 12 problems per 100 vehicles, a score unchanged for three years. It wasn't all glory, though. Nissan Motor Co., hobbled by glitches with the Titan pickup, the Armada SUV and the Quest minivan built at its new Mississippi plant, fell well below the average with a 19% problem rate.

Several brands were not rated because of insufficient responses, the magazine said.

Domestic brands fell just below the industry mean, averaging 17 problems per 100 vehicles sold, an improvement from 18 last year. "They've been getting a little more reliable year after year," Champion said.

European passenger vehicle brands continued dragging the bottom with a 21% problem rate, slightly worse than the previous survey's 20%.

Of about 160 models surveyed, the worst reliability scores, with 49 problems per 100 vehicles, were tallied by two behemoth vehicles: Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln Navigator SUV and the Nissan Quest minivan.

This is the second consecutive year U.S. brands outscored European makes. The European automakers, long plagued by problems with complex electrical systems, have been further hurt by quality problems with their SUVs, Champion said.

Volkswagen's Touareg, for instance, had one of the worst results in the survey, with 48 problems reported per 100 vehicles. Porsche's Cayenne, which shares the same vehicle platform, had 41 problems per 100. BMW's X5 and DaimlerChrysler's Mercedes-Benz M-Class SUV, the Mercedes E-Class sedan and Volkswagen's New Beetle also scored far below average in reliability.

In a separate satisfaction survey, Consumer Reports asked subscribers whether they would buy the same car or truck again. The magazine said it received more than 250,000 responses.

In this category, the Toyota Prius gas-electric hybrid topped the list — a first for a hybrid — with 94% of owners saying they would repeat. Last year's leader, the Lexus LS430 sedan, dropped into second place with a 92% positive response.

Of 32 vehicles on the magazine's "most satisfying" list, 25 are Japanese models, six are European, and only one, General Motors Corp.'s Chevrolet Corvette, is a domestic model.

The survey shows that satisfaction and quality don't always mesh: The reliable Hyundai Sonata doesn't appear on the list of most satisfying vehicles, but the Nissan Titan pickup, which received poor reliability scores, does.

In another first for hybrids, Consumer Reports named the 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid as its best pick for a family sedan. The hybrid uses a V-6 engine and an electric drive system to provide enhanced performance with the fuel economy of a four-cylinder car.

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(BEGIN TEXT OF INFOBOX)

Reliability survey

Asian automakers continue to lead the industry in reliability, according to a Consumer Reports survey of 810,000 passenger vehicle owners in the U.S.

Top five



Brand Parent company Problems per 100 vehicles


Model year

2004 2003
Subaru Fuji 8 17
Honda Honda 9 10
Acura Honda 10 13
Toyota Toyota 10 11
Lexus Toyota 11 9




Bottom five


Nissan Nissan 19 14
BMW BMW 21 19
Volkswagen Volkswagen 23 19
Mercedes-Benz DaimlerChrysler 25 22
Lincoln Ford 26 31

Some brands, including Hummer, Isuzu, Jaguar, Kia, Mini, Mitsubishi and Porsche, were not rated because of insufficent owner responses.

Source: Consumers Union




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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:19 PM
I am not surprised at all. Subaru has always been stellar in quality, I say its about time someone gave them credit.

And again no surprise again to see the German cars bottom ranked... !





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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:38 PM
lol...that's far from a surprise for me. after our body shop worked on a new beetle, i'd never consider buying a dub OR an audi.


...now i want a scooby, though...lol.




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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:50 PM
lol
If you only knew how troublesome these Mercedes and BMWs. Oh man, do I have stories to tell from my experiences.
After you see all of that, then see their MSRP. The only thing I do is:
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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:06 PM
NONO, i know how bad they are...while the newer Bimmers LOOK nice, i'd never own one in my lifetime.

and don't get me started on Benz...ugh.




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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:08 PM
if pontiac made a truck, id own ponchos my whole life.


nah ill prob end up buying like 37 camaros a stang or two and some other sports cars that arent pontiacs.


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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:20 PM
scrufrider wrote:NONO, i know how bad they are...while the newer Bimmers LOOK nice, i'd never own one in my lifetime.

and don't get me started on Benz...ugh.


No no, ya I understood, I was just adding on what you said. lol
Agree totally, looks can be deceiving if you know what I mean.

I also wanted to add, Benz which was ignorantly put "as the best car on 4 wheels" when it comes to reliability by many journalist, but not only is it ranked low here but in Europe as well.
Funniest thing to me is, the price they charge here is like a luxury car, but the rest of the world sees and uses it as taxis, police cars, etc. The image these German cars are trying to portray in North America is hilarious and once again deceiving.







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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:27 AM
my brother in law has a 98 bmw 3 series(not sure the exact model... all I know is it has the straight 6); which he paid somewhere in the 50g range; he now has a mazda 6 2; he says the payments on the 6 are barely more than what he paid for maintenance on the bimmer... scary.





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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:12 AM
Wow, I didn't realize that Nissan had fallen so low. DAMN. Guess that narrows down my truck choices for this summer. I was thinking Colorado, Tacoma, or Frontier. But after seeing that list, it's now down to just the first two.




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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Sunday, March 06, 2005 9:54 AM
well...Colorado is popular with consumer reports...if you get the inline 5, make sure you uncork that mofo. Tacomas are still at the top of my list of favorite trucks...theyr'e just spendy.

but yeah...avoid Nissan like the plague




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Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:25 PM
And after reading that, nobody comments on the Hyundai? I think that was great to read about that too. Our Santa Fe has been picture perfect for 4 years now and thinking about getting another Hyundai to add to the garage and get rid of the cavy.





Re: Subaru at Top in Quality Survey
Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:52 PM
Hyundai was at the top last year




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