i would like to know witch one of these is the all around better engine to have.(reliability...potential...gas mileage),.the 2.0turbo 3gste toyota engine(mr2 turbo..celica 4wd turbo)..or the 4g63t 2.0 turbo(talon.eclipse),,i was just curious on what you guys think.

potential i would say 4g63 just becasue i have never seen a fast mr2. i heard reliability on those mr2' motors is horrible. but thatsjust what i hear, you'll hear alot of bad crap about 4g63's too, but most of them are just rumors from people who dont kno what there talking about.
gas sucks on the 4g63 you get about 18 mpg's stock. and only goes down from there.

Both can make insane amounts of power on stock internals (400+). 4g63 will be cheaper part wise and to me they seem much easier to work on. Also, when trying to make the high horsepower on a 3sgte, it has some serious blowing headgasket issues on high boost.

Though if you go 4g63 you should go w/ a 6 bolt to be safe BTW.

damn..also the 2.0 nissan turbo..sr20det..lets get it in the conversation also

sr20dets are awesome! its a toss up for me between the sr20 and the 4g63. the yboth have ups and downs.

and what about a SR20DET? oops saw you guys just said that
All three motors all have their pros and cons but really are quite similar. I really can't think of any other 2.0 or even 4 cylinder that would be worth considering potential wise besides those three. The 3gste has a great bottom end, but the fact that its aluminum and open deck sucks. IT may be a 'little' behind the other 2 engines.

Seriously, why ask a "power potential" and gas milage question in the same sentence. If you were worried about gas milage you wouldn't be going for powerful motors in the first place.

3S-GTE>SR20DET, 4G63 (not saying its better, just what I'd choose)

Proven reliable power back before the Supras were using V8s in the JGTC they were using the 3S to make 500HP and all 300HP class Toyotas were using 3S-GTEs. In the history of JGTC (300 Class), 3S-GTE powered cars always came in top 5 competing with NSXs' and RX-7s and now 350Zs. Bulletproof block can handle up to 450RWHP stock(block) reliably not only for a short period of time, I mean daily driven power. Only downside was the head, they didn't breath too well when reaching high HP range then again what head wouldn't have problems breathing when reaching +500HP.


Stock for stock, my 2.2 will kick your 2.2s A$$!

what about the 2 liter in the s2000's before it got bumped to 2.2. nasty n/a engine


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3sgte - but from an alltrak celica. for some reason, these motors are more reliable than the MR2 version. i've worked on both, and i find the celica version a little easier to work on as well.

i miss mine




grrquack.

Proven reliable power back before the Supras were using V8s in the JGTC they were using the 3S to make 500HP and all 300HP class Toyotas were using 3S-GTEs. In the history of JGTC (300 Class), 3S-GTE powered cars always came in top 5 competing with NSXs' and RX-7s and now 350Zs. Bulletproof block can handle up to 450RWHP stock(block) reliably not only for a short period of time, I mean daily driven power. Only downside was the head, they didn't breath too well when reaching high HP range then again what head wouldn't have problems breathing when reaching +500HP.enjuku racings 240 made around 532 rwhp on the stock bottom end and is in the mid 10 sec range. oh and its a sr20det. they ran a 12.8 at 108 on the stock t25 and put down 250rwhp

2.0 eco beats them all

the GM drag team usually gets 60+ passes with little to no problems

I thought Witch's flew brooms not 2.0 engines...

he he, sorry I had to.





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Eco 2.0 > The Rest....

Too bad the Ecos' connecting rods cant handle 283HP at 4400RPM, when the others can do 400+ stock. Keyword STOCK.


Stock for stock, my 2.2 will kick your 2.2s A$$!

^^ I hope your not talking about the 2.0 Eco cause its the stock 2.2 Eco rods that allegedly give out in the 280 range, while the 2.0 Eco can probably easily pass the 400+ mark on stock internals



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i would say the 4g63 cause i happen to own a a talon tsi and that thing is fast, raced a couple og mustang gts and beat them both and they are really easy to work on.


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I'm with the 2.0 Eco guys...even if you take the stock s/c off....you could turbo it easily...buy the crate motor, and sell the s/c to someone on the org, there's more than a few people here willing to buy it lol.

If I remember right, the 2.0 eco has some sort of special journal in the rods, some sort of neat design that really helps high rpm oiling. not to mention it has a steel crank, and a forged bottom end, I wouldn't think it to be a problem holding 500hp on a stock bottom end...

the GM drag cars....are they still using destroked 2.2's? or did they switch to the newer 2.0 design? I know there's a lot of differences between the 2 in bottom end design.

Actually yes, I meant the 2.2 GM used. As for the 2.0 Ecos' I can't comment on those, Cuz I'm not familiar with them. What I can comment on are the 3 Japanese 2.0s. T

Their are variations of each engine, 3S-GTEs, the S13-15 SR20DETs and variants on the 4G63 throughout the DSMs and Evos. 3S-GTEs made 280HP in Japan I believe the SR20DET made 250-55HP for the S15 and we all know the 4G63 make 280HP for the Evo. The Evo VIII FQ-300 which the Brits get have 305BHP with 300lbs/tq. So stock for stock I would say the 2.0s from Japan beats out the Eco 2.0 for now.


Stock for stock, my 2.2 will kick your 2.2s A$$!

if your looking for the fastest 4 cyl in the world and have unlimited money go wtih the gm 2.0. otherwise thats the last one on the list. parts are too much. it comes with a supercharger that you would have to change over. the list goes on and on. so if you have gms bank account go with there engine, if not your gonna spend money.

FOURTWENTY240sx wrote:Proven reliable power back before the Supras were using V8s in the JGTC they were using the 3S to make 500HP and all 300HP class Toyotas were using 3S-GTEs. In the history of JGTC (300 Class), 3S-GTE powered cars always came in top 5 competing with NSXs' and RX-7s and now 350Zs. Bulletproof block can handle up to 450RWHP stock(block) reliably not only for a short period of time, I mean daily driven power. Only downside was the head, they didn't breath too well when reaching high HP range then again what head wouldn't have problems breathing when reaching +500HP.

enjuku racings 240 made around 532 rwhp on the stock bottom end and is in the mid 10 sec range. oh and its a sr20det. they ran a 12.8 at 108 on the stock t25 and put down 250rwhp


when did supras use a v8?
just curios i thought they were always a straight six

ya...they always used a straight 6




grrquack.

The JGTC Supras used 3SGTEs because it can be moved back towards the firewall to distribute weight more evenly. I believe in 2002 they changed out the 3S for the 1UZFE.

I wasn't talking about production supras.


Stock for stock, my 2.2 will kick your 2.2s A$$!

ooo
ok
thought i was losing it there for a sec
yes alot of motors can make alot of power
depends on what car you have to start w/ as to how easy it will be to get the engine in

it will all cost $$$
good luck man

Agreed, you can make anything happen with the right amount of $$$.



Stock for stock, my 2.2 will kick your 2.2s A$$!

has anyone considered the honda B16?