OK I'm thinking about purchasing my neighbor's 96 Civic EX hatchback for 2000 bucks. It has low mileage (about 10,000) and it has a manual tranny. My question is regarding the F22 engine from Honda. I want to buy an F22 engine and swap it in because everyone around my area has either an H22 or a B18/B16 engine under their Honda's hood and I want to try and go a different direction. Does this sound like a good idea or should I try something else? If I do buy an F22 engine, should I go boost or stay NA? Honda gurus help me out!
A '96 only has 10,000 miles? Or is it a new engine?
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
Oops! I should have mentioned he is a senior citizen and he BARELY drove the thing (like to the grocery store and church on Sunday and that's about it
But yeah the car is in almost immaculate condition with the exception of the paint starting to get old. The interior is well maintaned and it starts right up every time he turns the key.
I just want to see if there are any Honda guys on here who can help me out with which direction I should go. I REALLY want the F22 engine swapped in but if it's too much of a hassle to deal with then I might just do an H22 or B16 or B18 swap instead. I just want an F22 since it's different and all.
BTW, I'm also keeping my 99 Z24. I'll never get rid of it cause I love it too much
Sorry i'm not a honda guru but a honda under 200,000 miles and not 20 years old for $2,000 bucks? What is there to think about.
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OK I'm thinking about purchasing my neighbor's 96 Civic EX hatchback for 2000 bucks. It has low mileage (about 10,000) and it has a manual tranny. My question is regarding the F22 engine from Honda. I want to buy an F22 engine and swap it in because everyone around my area has either an H22 or a B18/B16 engine under their Honda's hood and I want to try and go a different direction. Does this sound like a good idea or should I try something else? If I do buy an F22 engine, should I go boost or stay NA? Honda gurus help me out!
f22 is the single cam engine in the accords. not worth it. h22 is alot of money labor wise. a b18 woudl be the best bet.
Yeah but there are a few F22's out there that are pretty quick. I'm really trying for the F22 engine because, seriously, EVERYONE with a Honda in my area has a B series or an H22 under the hood and I don't want to follow the group. That's kinda why I want an F22 engine and plus I'd rather try my hand at tuning one rather than a B series/H22.
Thought about an H23? It's not an H22 and would pull that hatch fairly well.
I need to get my lude runnin again!
If you want to beat everyone else to it, do a K20 swap. I have a magazine where they did the swap in a 99 hatch w/ intake and exhaust. It dyno'd 222whp and 150 ft/lbs of torque. Managed to run a 12.14 in the 1/4. You'll have a swap that no one else has (yet) in your area, and you'll probably be faster.
Larry wrote:Next time some dork revs his engine, just sit there smile, and when the light turns green blow his F#@*IN doors off. He will leave you alone after that.
The F22 is an awesome motor (only closed minded ignorant people would argue otherwise). It 's got an iron block and a head that has very good ports.
However, swapping in an F or H series motor into a civic is not worth it in my opinion. I've made my opinion of the H series motors known on here before. K series motors are sweet, but cost too much(when all is said and done) and are too involving.
IMO, the best bang for the buck is either a B18B or a B16. Neither are going to be balls to the wall quick stock, but they both have a lot of potential , there is a lot of experience and knowledge out there for whatever direction you go with them, and a lot of after-market support. Even the stock D series might be pretty interesting (lots of people have made some good numbers with "junkyard" set-ups for the D series).
as for trying to be different/original...... good luck w/ that when it comes to Hondas. Most everything has been done before. I've seen/heard of F20C, 3S-GTEs, SR20DETs, mid-engine conversions, and even a chevey small block crammed into civics.
p.s.
When did simple modifying of a car become known as "tuning"?
I've always thought of tuning as systematically modifying fuel and ignition values or at the very least adjusting plug gaps for desired performance characteristics.
Seems like now any kid who puts on a K&N filter or even tail lights considers him/herself a "tuner".
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EVERYONE with a Honda in my area has a B series or an H22 under the hood and I don't want to follow the group
The F22 is an awesome motor (only closed minded ignorant people would argue otherwise). It 's got an iron block and a head that has very good ports.
However, swapping in an F or H series motor into a civic is not worth it in my opinion. I've made my opinion of the H series motors known on here before. K series motors are sweet, but cost too much(when all is said and done) and are too involving.
IMO, the best bang for the buck is either a B18B or a B16. Neither are going to be balls to the wall quick stock, but they both have a lot of potential , there is a lot of experience and knowledge out there for whatever direction you go with them, and a lot of after-market support. Even the stock D series might be pretty interesting (lots of people have made some good numbers with "junkyard" set-ups for the D series).
i know the f22 is an awesome motor. my buddies took an 85 dry shot like a champ through a few bottles and never had a problem.. im just sayin its pointless to swap into a civic.
the reason all your friends have b16s/b18s or h22s is because of the ungodly huge aftermarket. they have a good 20+ companies that make the same part which drives the price down through the floor.
if you wanna do a swap.. get a ls. (b18) u can get the full change over for under a grand. b16 is gonna be closer to 2200. (assuming is a 2nd gen, 92+) or if u want do do a sohc, get the jdm d15 vtec. 1.5 sohc that makes 125hp. u can get the complete changeover for like 700 shipped with lsd. do a junkyard turbo setup or even a normal turbo setup for easily 1200. 1800 tops. (big ass aftermarket) u can have a turbo sohc pushin 9psi that will make around 200whp and a light ass honda. all for under 2500
An EX you say? That should come with a D16y8 if I'm not mistaken. Those SOHC Vtec engines are quite killer if you build 'em right, and not everyone builds them because of the whole DOHC swap seen. YOu can turbo the hell out of 'em or build it n/a. There are many sites that are helpful with these engines...
D-Series Forum << Helpful in building ANY d-series honda engine no matter which route you choose to go.
Exospeed << My favorite compay for a d-series engine builder and supplier of aftermarket goodies. They are a very reputable company with a high customer satisfaction rate.
Hope I helped in some way.
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If you're going to go F22 I wouldn't do it. Just stick with the D16y8. You'll have be better off in the long run. There isn't much of a power gain in the F22. Just a lot more Torque. With the money you'd spend you could drop it into that d16y8 and have a lot faster motor.
i'd say keep that motor and put on a jackson supercharger
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The jacksonracing supercharger is an option, but with that same amount of money and in most cases less you could build yourself a turbo kit w/intercooler. We all know turbos make more power in the end... But I myself am a N/A type of guy.
Homemade Turbo Forum <<< A great resource for fabing up your own turbo project for hondas aswell as useful info. that can be applied to any turbo project.
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Why is everyone so stuck on a B18C5? They're not god. I said it once and i'll say it again. B18 LS-Vtec with Type R cams. Thats a damn good start for an all motor low 13's car.
^^^if u don't mind rediculous unreliability...
Ok..........wow..........I think I almost started a Honda war in here
Believe it or not, I'm seriously considering a K series swap just because it's a newer motor and all. Plus the aftermarket is growing for K series engines from Honda.
I sort of do want a quick, reliable engine just becuase I want to drive around with it on the street and all. And actually, money isn't really a problem or anything since I'm going to take my time with swapping a new engine into my EK9. I'm going to do a quality job and not rush things so my engine will be better in the long run. I'm going to get some more info about different engines and see which would be the best bang for the buck.
lol.. With whatever you choose take you time and have fun because that's what this is all about.. oh and nice choice on the swap... those engines have a lot of potential in the long run. The may issue of HCI magazine has a 4dr ek civic with the k-series swap... it's freakin awesome maybe it could give you some insperation!
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AfterEffect wrote:lol.. With whatever you choose take you time and have fun because that's what this is all about.. oh and nice choice on the swap... those engines have a lot of potential in the long run. The may issue of HCI magazine has a 4dr ek civic with the k-series swap... it's freakin awesome maybe it could give you some insperation!
Well that's ALMOST what I'm going for. The July 2004 issue of Sport Compact Car magazine has a 96 Civic hatch with the K20 engine in it. The engine pushes out 455 horsepower on race gas and 19 psi. It is the source of my inspiration..........but thanks for the heads up on the HCI mag. I'll go look and see if I can find it tomorrow.
Honestly, I don't find a point in spending the time or money just to swap in an F22. I'd just leave the D16 in there and make it a junkyard turbo project or something, people have done some pretty nice things with their D16's. You would be unique in the fact that nobody really does an F22 swap and that's probably because nobody wants to waste their money on that. I don't care if everybody does the B16 or B18 swap, I'd rather do that and be fast than an F22 and be unique. I agree on the unreliability of the LS VTEC, I think I've seen like 2 or 3 run reliable after it's all said and done, the rest constantly need work. I would say the K20 is as much of a "swap" as the GTP engine is into the Cavalier, it would take some work, but can be done.
Good Luck
Thanks for the info Caviespeed. I do think a K20 is the best bet since it is a fairly new engine and is starting to build a reliable aftermarket. I was considering just building the D16 already in the car but I decided since it's such low mileage that I might as well drive it around for now when I need to while I save up for the K20 and all the other stuff I'll need for the swap (driveshafts, fuel management components, mounts, etc.) so I can just swap it in with as little number of headaches as possible. But like I said I'm still thinking about all my options that I have. But my basic ideal setup is this: to have a quick engine that is reliable as possible while still be able to be driven on the street.
K-series eh? get an RSX-S motor, and then put the Jackson race supercharger on that! 255whp ain't too bad. and you could always buy the smaller pulley for it
if you want reliability, then go with a blower. turbo kits are cheaper and you get more out of them, but superchargers will last a lot longer
that's just me, though
i'm pretty sure mitsu turbo manifolds bolt right on to the D series...at least i know they do for 4th gens....
