I was watching the speed channel this morining and they were showing some kind of races. They had two ss racing against mustangs and m3s. its a little off topic but I thought I would post about it.
The yellow one on ebay looks pretty damn good. Im really liking these cobalts more and more.
I am with Black Eco. I would rather get an SRT-4 over the new Cobalts. If i wanted a Civic i would buy one. Chevy shoulda just redone the Cavalier. If Chevy had spent the time and energy put into the Cobalt in redoing the Cavalier would have made alot of people very happy instead of trying to push this Civic Knockoff on us.
BLEH i say BLEHHH!
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Personally I don't think the Cobalt SS is gonna sell. I guess only time will tell. I want to like the Cobalt. Something about it turns me off.
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Chevy high performance did an article on the SS and I tell you I thought it was a pretty sweat looking car. The interior is realy nice, not to flashy but not to plain niether.
they publiced the the motor trend numbers to:
0-30 mph 2.1
0-60 mph 6.0
0-100 mph 15.7
1/4 mile 14.5 at 98.2
skidpad 0.89 g
60-0 braking 115 feet
i was impressed with the 1/4 mile.
I might want one
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CAVolution wrote:I am with Black Eco. I would rather get an SRT-4 over the new Cobalts. If i wanted a Civic i would buy one. Chevy shoulda just redone the Cavalier. If Chevy had spent the time and energy put into the Cobalt in redoing the Cavalier would have made alot of people very happy instead of trying to push this Civic Knockoff on us.
BLEH i say BLEHHH!
If Chevy would have redone the Cavalier they would be getting "it's still a Cavalier" just like Chrysler was getting "it's still a Neon" when they introduced the SRT-4, why do you think they don't call it a Neon anymore??? Chevy tested those waters in 03 and 04, when they introduced the ecotec motor in the base model Cavs, and in 04 they came with a standard Getrag Short throw shifter... these are performance parts that didn't hit the tuner crowd like they hoped it would, leaving them only one option.... drop the Cavalier and start from scratch. I love my Cavalier, but I can't stand when people criticize GM's marketing strategy....what the hell do you know? I'm sure the guys working in the big office buildings making millions of $$ a year know alittle more than you do...
I test drove an ss s/c, and although i wish it did have a liltte more go, the interior felt well built, looked like the interior or a german sports car rather then a chevy, and the ride felt as smooth and quiet as my moms camry
it felt alot better then the ion redline i test drove did
as far as buying one?? ehh i duno, if i can get one for about 19 grand id take it
jkhd03cav wrote:CAVolution wrote:I am with Black Eco. I would rather get an SRT-4 over the new Cobalts. If i wanted a Civic i would buy one. Chevy shoulda just redone the Cavalier. If Chevy had spent the time and energy put into the Cobalt in redoing the Cavalier would have made alot of people very happy instead of trying to push this Civic Knockoff on us.
BLEH i say BLEHHH!
I love my Cavalier, but I can't stand when people criticize GM's marketing strategy....what the hell do you know? I'm sure the guys working in the big office buildings making millions of $$ a year know alittle more than you do...
Haha which is why GM is in the crapper? I think the cavalier was overdue for a remake myself so I agree but GM as a whole doesnt have their @!#$ together.
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jkhd03cav wrote:CAVolution wrote:I am with Black Eco. I would rather get an SRT-4 over the new Cobalts. If i wanted a Civic i would buy one. Chevy shoulda just redone the Cavalier. If Chevy had spent the time and energy put into the Cobalt in redoing the Cavalier would have made alot of people very happy instead of trying to push this Civic Knockoff on us.
BLEH i say BLEHHH!
If Chevy would have redone the Cavalier they would be getting "it's still a Cavalier" just like Chrysler was getting "it's still a Neon" when they introduced the SRT-4, why do you think they don't call it a Neon anymore??? Chevy tested those waters in 03 and 04, when they introduced the ecotec motor in the base model Cavs, and in 04 they came with a standard Getrag Short throw shifter... these are performance parts that didn't hit the tuner crowd like they hoped it would, leaving them only one option.... drop the Cavalier and start from scratch. I love my Cavalier, but I can't stand when people criticize GM's marketing strategy....what the hell do you know? I'm sure the guys working in the big office buildings making millions of $$ a year know alittle more than you do...
If they "knew" what they were doing, don't you think they dropped the ball in performance? I mean for something that is supposed to be competing against the srt4, it falls too short in my book. If GM listened to their marketing crowd they wouldn't be struggling so much. I'm sorry, but their's a reason GM is falling ranks towards other automobile industries. It's definately not because they "know" what they're doing....
Cavalier or Cobalt either way it would have been the same car. The reason they changed it was marketing, the Cav just isn't associated with a quality car. As far as it being a Civic knockoff what makes you say that? Sure it looks a little similar but most interiors do these days and if it looks good what does it really matter? Why do so many people seem to hate this car without having driven it? I haven't driven it yet either but from everything I heard it is better than any cav out there(stock form), So what if it's a little slower than an Srt4 there are plenty of cars faster than the Corvette out there does that mean it sux?
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QuasiZ (Raiseup) wrote:jkhd03cav wrote:CAVolution wrote:I am with Black Eco. I would rather get an SRT-4 over the new Cobalts. If i wanted a Civic i would buy one. Chevy shoulda just redone the Cavalier. If Chevy had spent the time and energy put into the Cobalt in redoing the Cavalier would have made alot of people very happy instead of trying to push this Civic Knockoff on us.
BLEH i say BLEHHH!
If Chevy would have redone the Cavalier they would be getting "it's still a Cavalier" just like Chrysler was getting "it's still a Neon" when they introduced the SRT-4, why do you think they don't call it a Neon anymore??? Chevy tested those waters in 03 and 04, when they introduced the ecotec motor in the base model Cavs, and in 04 they came with a standard Getrag Short throw shifter... these are performance parts that didn't hit the tuner crowd like they hoped it would, leaving them only one option.... drop the Cavalier and start from scratch. I love my Cavalier, but I can't stand when people criticize GM's marketing strategy....what the hell do you know? I'm sure the guys working in the big office buildings making millions of $$ a year know alittle more than you do...
If they "knew" what they were doing, don't you think they dropped the ball in performance? I mean for something that is supposed to be competing against the srt4, it falls too short in my book. If GM listened to their marketing crowd they wouldn't be struggling so much. I'm sorry, but their's a reason GM is falling ranks towards other automobile industries. It's definately not because they "know" what they're doing....
Point taken, but listen to mine. Stock for stock yes the cobalt is a tick slower (although these motor's have already proven underated). We are all tuners here, and we know that when built, the Ecotec is a better engine, and more consistant than the dodge powerplant, race results prove this. These same track proven parts are available for sale for our own engines.
The cobalt looks better as well. ( Ignore the wing, put a low profile on, ignore the wheel gap and slam in with it's rolling fenders, and the car like the cavalier looks different) Neons also can look great with a kit, but are still to " look like an egg" looking to me. Must be the four doors.
Again it's not what you drive but how you build it. But the cobalt has a remarkable proven engine, great chassis, great interior and build quality, and when fixed right a great shaped body. Stock for stock again yes the srt-4 is quicker, but when even simple mods begin it's a very different story.
RkSport 2003 wrote:QuasiZ (Raiseup) wrote:jkhd03cav wrote:CAVolution wrote:I am with Black Eco. I would rather get an SRT-4 over the new Cobalts. If i wanted a Civic i would buy one. Chevy shoulda just redone the Cavalier. If Chevy had spent the time and energy put into the Cobalt in redoing the Cavalier would have made alot of people very happy instead of trying to push this Civic Knockoff on us.
BLEH i say BLEHHH!
If Chevy would have redone the Cavalier they would be getting "it's still a Cavalier" just like Chrysler was getting "it's still a Neon" when they introduced the SRT-4, why do you think they don't call it a Neon anymore??? Chevy tested those waters in 03 and 04, when they introduced the ecotec motor in the base model Cavs, and in 04 they came with a standard Getrag Short throw shifter... these are performance parts that didn't hit the tuner crowd like they hoped it would, leaving them only one option.... drop the Cavalier and start from scratch. I love my Cavalier, but I can't stand when people criticize GM's marketing strategy....what the hell do you know? I'm sure the guys working in the big office buildings making millions of $$ a year know alittle more than you do...
If they "knew" what they were doing, don't you think they dropped the ball in performance? I mean for something that is supposed to be competing against the srt4, it falls too short in my book. If GM listened to their marketing crowd they wouldn't be struggling so much. I'm sorry, but their's a reason GM is falling ranks towards other automobile industries. It's definately not because they "know" what they're doing....
Point taken, but listen to mine. Stock for stock yes the cobalt is a tick slower (although these motor's have already proven underated). We are all tuners here, and we know that when built, the Ecotec is a better engine, and more consistant than the dodge powerplant, race results prove this. These same track proven parts are available for sale for our own engines.
The cobalt looks better as well. ( Ignore the wing, put a low profile on, ignore the wheel gap and slam in with it's rolling fenders, and the car like the cavalier looks different) Neons also can look great with a kit, but are still to " look like an egg" looking to me. Must be the four doors.
Again it's not what you drive but how you build it. But the cobalt has a remarkable proven engine, great chassis, great interior and build quality, and when fixed right a great shaped body. Stock for stock again yes the srt-4 is quicker, but when even simple mods begin it's a very different story.
wow, simple mods???? your calling installing a turbo kit a simple mod? cause that swhat your going to have to do in order to stay in the same league as the srt4. sure gms cobalt is fast as hell, but guess what NO ONE has gm's bank account. the average tuners srt4 will be faster than the average turners cobalt gurantee. not many poeple can afford to install a turbo kit when they have a reliable supercharger on there. and if you think the cobalt will be faster than the srt4 with the same mods and both of them with there stock fi then your high.
I think the simple mods he's referring to are intake, exhaust. Things like that.
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cams, rods, pulleys.... the ecotec can handle a good bit of power before blowing up
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the ecotec can handle a good amount of power, but what can that supercharger handle? I mean its already pushed to its max making 12 PSI. The M62 isnt that big of a supercharger, its bigger than the M45, but its no 119. If they turboed the Cobalt SS instead of supercharging it, it would rape the SRT4. But GM is stupid.
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Wouldn't it made more sense and cheaper to just rebadge
this as a Chevrolet Cavalier? I mean GM just loves to do badge engineering, why not do it on a good product?
But thats right... GM motto is if it works, then it does not make sense.
Instead, what do we get? A cheap interiored, with smaller interior room, wastes more gas, heavier, shorter wheelbased, larger outside, with artificial steering, bland styling bulbous cavalier design (IMO), suspension that went back to the first gen cav, overpriced Cavalier
Grr, It gets me mad to think that GM could have done so much better with the small cars by just bringing the Astra. Then GM wonders why they are going into the rut. I agree with most you all here and consumers do as well.
Sales have been worse in Q1 of 2005 compared to their predecessor in Q1 2004
Cobalt:29,162
Cavalier:50,061
GM only cares about the trucks, and well let them think like that. One day they will learn.
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Heres something I am curious about. Why does anyone CARE about not having rear indepent suspension? The Cobalt SS outhandles the SRT4, the new civics, RSX's, celicas, just about every SINGLE CAR in its freakin class(according the MT's slalom results) and still you people B*TCH over such a patheticly minor fact, its absurd!!! GROW UP, my buddies civic doesn't ride any better then my cavalier or my dsm, and its god (insert godly halliula music here) IRS!!!
The car is basicly everything would could have asked for. If the SRT4 wasn't around, it would be the best car in its class, no argument. It costs less then an RSX-S or a Celica GTS, and it beats them in every performance statistic. It smokes a civic SI, or a SpecV, or a freakin Z24 for that matter. GROW UP, GM can't make the damn thing perfect.
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Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
Sales have been worse in Q1 of 2005 compared to their predecessor in Q1 2004
Cobalt:29,162
Cavalier:50,061
GM only cares about the trucks, and well let them think like that. One day they will learn.
Think about something...
Cavalier's and Cobalts hit the "entry level" class. Most "entry level" shoppers are looking at price. If you're not looking at anythign except price, the 05 Cavalier with $3500 in rebates looks alot better than the 05 Cobalt with $1000.
Even last year in the first quarter the Cavalier's rebates were significantly higher than $1000. That drove sales. Chevrolet is cutting there small car segment into 2 right now because the Cavalier is still available. Not to mention the numbers of the Cobalts aren't supposed to be hitting the Cavalier's because GM is trying to split their small car segment into the Aveo and the Cobalt. The people that purchased Cavalier's for $10k are supposed to be aiming more toward the Aveo.
It's like the Chevy/GMC v. Ford thing. Ford claims they sell the most trucks of any other brand. But that is only because GM splits there sales into two brands (Chevy and GMC). If you take GMC's sales and add them to Chevy's it would far surpass Fords...
You get what I'm saying????
I think that GM needs to do some brand trimming. I'm not sure how CAFE standards work, but I think with less brands they could offer a more competitive car. How many rebadged SRT4's are there? The Chrysler SRT4? Nope...
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The Cobalt is not the entry entry level car anymore. The Aveo is... Anyways, I kinda agree with Mr. GW. If GM had Badge engineered some cars into the GM lineup they wouldn't be so far underwater right now. Instead of having a crappy Monte Carlo and Impala, why not Bring the Lumina and Caprice over from the Middle East. Badge engineer the Astra as a Cobalt or Cavalier/Sunfire. And then bring the Speedster over as the new Fiero. Anyways, the Cobalt is a nice car. It's not as quick as the SRT-4 but it's way more livable. I rode to work with a guy that has an SRT-4 and at the front gate (stop and go traffic) his car sucks. The J-Body was done. It was old and has a reputation as a crappy, plastic, fleet car as with most of GM's lineup. They needed to get rid of the Cavalier Sunfire name. But anyways, I'm done.
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i don't know? why would i buy a first year run GM Cobalt SS at well over 20 grand. when i can buy a far better built (toyota) and better supported (aftermarket) Scion tC for 17 and change.
and remember this. weather you like Honda or not. the next gen Civic Si is coming out of the gate with 200 horses all-motor. and face it with the way Honda embraces the aftermarket. 7th gen Civics will be the top dog this time next year. GM simply missed the boat. they could have made a Turbosport Cavalier in 2001 and beat Dodge to the plate. so thet by time the cobalt came into play they'd have established them selves as real sport compact players. but they scoffed and laughed at the silly little "tuner" market and sat back while every other automaker listened to market demands and built some form of tuner. now GM finally decides to come off the bench and play....only the game is over.
The cobalt is just simply overpriced for what your getting and don't call it's build quality excellent or even good. they've been on the road all but what? a month or two. three maybe?
it took my cav a few months to start it's rattles, squeeks and crap breaking and falling apart. give them time i'm sure they won't dissapoint us all as the typical crapp GM puts out.
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This forum blows my mind. For a GM enthusiast forum there are sooo many anti-GM members. I'm not sure what brought on this GM bashing? Is it because the Cavalier and Sunfire are gone? The j-body platform is gone, so no matter what, whatever replaces it is garbage. You drive a Cavalier... why spend 19k on an LS Sport Cavalier when you can buy a TC for 17? Why buy a 20k Sunfire when you can buy a TC for 17? Answer those questions....? Look.... no matter how much you bitch and moan GM is and always will be THE LARGEST, MOST POPULAR CAR MANUFACTURER IN THE WORLD... not the country....THE WORLD! I think GM gets more respect on Honda forums then on this one, you can't hardly post a message talking about a Chevy or a Pontiac or any other GM for that matter without being ripped apart. This forum is here for current and past j-body owners to meet, ask questions, and discuss there vehicles. Now I admit we do have the occasional dumb ass that needs put in his place. Lets face it there is no way that your stock eco took a modded STI, I don't believe, no one believes it...get over yourself. But the fact that I cannot post a message saying something good about GM or Chevrolet without some a$$hole putting in his two cents about how $h!tty GM is.
If you have something intelligent to say then please, add to the conversations, but pointless, biased, unbacked slander is not welcome here. If all you're giving is your dumb opinion and you're going to get mad and start calling eachother names...please do us all a favor and STFU.
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Heres something I am curious about. Why does anyone CARE about not having rear indepent suspension? The Cobalt SS outhandles the SRT4,
Thank the tires for that. And since the you are quoting the MT you could have read why the it out handle the SRT in some situations as well. If the Cobalt weighed in the same as a J (2600-2700) and it had the summer tires as the Cobalt with IRS, I would not dought that it would pull even better numbers with a characteristic similar to a BMW (handles like on rails). Best of all, it is all doable, GM has the technology, means and the parts all set, just not the interests.
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Yep I get your theory. But (consumers) do not see a reason to pay full price for Cobalt. Consumers are willing to pay the price of the window sticker on a Civic, Jetta, Corolla, but not the Cobalt. From the looks of it once again GM has to sell cars on rebates not merit (I said this before too). The trend still continues from the Cavalier. Cobalts are in dealers just sitting there cuz nobody wants them. I have the dealer inventory supply here and as of the first week of April 2005 Cobalt is at a 117day supply the only other nameplate in Chevy from the car section higher is the Aveo at 141days. Consumers are not stupid just because you change the name consumers will see just another Cavalier.
Lastly Cavalier, Civic, Corolla, 3, Focus buyers are looking for Cobalts. Kia Rio, Toyota Echo, Hyundai Accent buyers are looking for Chevy Aveos. Aveo, Cavalier, Cobalt don't cross shop one another. Remeber Aveo was available last year and Cavalier still sold. Like I said before, you can not treat consumers like iddiots, when they see a car worth forking over MSRP they will do it. From the looks of it, consumers are not with Cobalt.
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