What are your beliefs? - Page 2 - Politics and War Forum

Forum Post / Reply
You must log in before you can post or reply to messages.
Re: What are your beliefs?
Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:30 PM on j-body.org
where did I mention "rational worldly view" Sentinal, New Yeller, the question was what is your beliefs?, not what you think about mine. I wrote a good thread on openmindedness, why don't you go read it if you havent done so. And you had to outline all I wrote to write a pathetic remark like that. why I even stoop down to mention it. <br>

Smile, Jesus loves you!!!!! <><
Manchild-ProPain, out now, Sphereofhiphop.com

Re: What are your beliefs?
Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:47 PM on j-body.org
Man jbody4jc, you are impulsive. Just let it go and calm down. This thread is to learn what other people believe so we can learn to accept that everyone else has something they believe that is different from what you believe. So he popped off a snide remark, shake your head and forget about it.

Bob: I really started to question my beliefs around 13 or so. From that point on I just couldn't stop questioning things and having faith in something I can't see and didn't feel. I've never been comfortable with life and I have no idea what ontological issues are. But I can say that as it stands I feel less pressure to keep doing what's "right" and less stress from thinking that everytime I do something wrong someone's going to judge me for it. I guess a tad bit of paranoia keeps me on my toes and doing what I feel is right and if I slip every once in awhile I'm not being judged by others, just by myself. I'm taking your lead though, it's almost 1am and I need to get up around 6. G'Night.
Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 5:21 AM on j-body.org
Andazzo and I landed on the same page roughly, but our journeys were different.

I am a firm Christian, but belong to no church. I may someday as community participation is important. The Apostle's Creed summerizes my beliefs.

Lifted from: http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=apostles_creed.html


The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles' Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell. [See Calvin]

The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.


*The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.




PAX
Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 1:21 PM on j-body.org
James : Objective Reality .. I agree to disagree with most ..
This should make some people a little " pissy " ...

We can say that an object or an event exists, if it manifests itself in an observable manner.

Objects that are claimed to exist but that do not manifest themselves in any way,
shape or form, do not exist, by *axiomatic definition.
( * evident without proof or argument, "an axiomatic truth" ).

Anything that human beings claim to exist must show objective evidence to
human beings that it exists; otherwise, it would be meaningless to say
that it exists.

I believe that something may conceivably exist in another space-time continuum or in an
alternate universe or universe's but,... if it does not manifest itself in any form or
shape to us human beings, how does it exist for purposes of human beings ?
in other words, If it has no effect on human life, therefore I must disregard it.

anyhow, I know that clearly I exist and like many countless others have asked
.. where do we come from, why are we here? Is there a meaning or purpose
to our life in the sense of an externally or internally assigned function?
did random events place us into this universe, without any purpose or reason?

The first problem that I have here is , why should we even suggest that there is a
meaning or purpose superimposed on human life, what is this mysterious power that
imbues our puny pathetic lives with such a purpose or meaning ?

If this mysterious power does exist, how does it manifest itself ? I've not seen it.

If this mysterious power does not show itself to humans in any objective form,
how can it exist as far as humans are concerned. how can it even convey a
preordained or predestined meaning to our lives ?... I'll tell you how , ....
it can't and it won't .... ever.

I see Religion as something that charges people with imagined sins;
and then it burdens people with guilt and superstition.
It then urges you to pray to a non-existent god in order to absolve yourself from sins
you didn't even commit !? To me this method is completely counterproductive if you want
happiness and joy in life.

And then there's Existentialism , Mythology , Humanism ( Hitler tried this in his own way )
and Humanists. they all fail in my book ...

I acknowlage my own evolutionary need to enhance my own happiness,
I believe life is rooted in the pain/pleasure principle... somewhere Keeper
hit on this subject a little , way back .. anyhow, every living organism,
including every human being, always acts in what it considers to be
in its best self-interest , just ask jbody4jc .. lol
so we avoid pain and try to enhance our pleasure... then there are those
who embrace pain , self induced or not .. they are not wrong if it makes
them happy.

Of course only organisms that perceive a threat to their existence as an unpleasant
emotion, a perception of pain, will survive and replicate. of course the existence of this
pain/pleasure syndrome in all living organisms does not imply that human beings
will always act in their actual best self-interest. I believe that the genes of every
human being will compel them to act in what they believe to be in there best self-interest.
anyone who acts self-destructive is not acting in there own best self-intrest.

Even evolution shows us it's all about the survival of the fittest ..
It's all about the ability of an organism to cope with changes in its environment in
order to assure its survival and reproduction . We know that without this instinct for survival,
an organism cannot perpetuate itself or its species and will thus eliminate itself
from further replication and evolution... we have even adapted our psychology to survive ..
this is reflected in the new study of Evolutionary Psychology

I could go on but, this is getting lengthy so I'll just kinda sum it all up ..

Objective Reality is everything that exists with or without human acknowledgment.
and no it's not the " FORCE " @ssholes .. lol .. What we call "nature" is the small part
of Objective Reality that surrounds us and, of course, people are just as much part of
Objective Reality, as trees, the ocean or other galaxies.
Objective Reality is everything that just simply exists.

Objective Reality existed long before humans inhabited the world.
It will exist long after we as individuals, or even the human race,
will have disappeared.

If we could have total, absolute knowledge and understanding of Objective Reality,
we would be in complete alignment with the world around us. Conflicts and problems would
disappear because they can only arise when our perceptions or our expectations are in conflict
with Objective Reality. It is as simple as that.

any questions ? feel free to ask away, if you can keep it respectful that is ..


<IMG SRC=http://www.j-body.org/registry/eztrip/personal_pic.jpg>
Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 3:14 PM on j-body.org
if i had to affiliate myself with a religion it would be satanism, however i choose to not affiliate wiht a religion, satanism is just the one i most closely relate to

and no, satanism has nothing to do with the christan devil figure check out www.satanism101.com for some details, it sums up satanism better than me <br>

You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)
Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 7:02 PM on j-body.org
Hmm...very interesting Sentinel. I'll have to think about that one for awhile.
Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 7:58 PM on j-body.org
hmm..not really interested in checking out the link..but how does "satanism" not have anything to do with the christian devil, satan, when the religion is named directly after him. that's like saying christianity has nothing to do with christ...just wondering. <br>



Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 8:10 PM on j-body.org
a very valid question andazzo, heres the answer from that site

Who is Satan?

In Satanism, Satan is an archetype, a representation of certain qualities that the Satanist embodies including rational self-interest, avoidance of oppressive mentalities, the questioning of all, and a perseverance towards success and human potential. The Satanic Bible encapsulates this iconography in The Nine Satanic Statements, which are thus:

1) Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!
2) Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3) Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4) Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5) Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!
6) Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7) Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!
8) Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9) Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years!

Inherently, the Satanic archetype is far more diverse than the limited Christian interpretation -- the name/word is notably pre-Christian: from the Hebrew, meaning "adversary", "opposer" or "one who questions" (and the Jewish 'Satan' differs sharply from the Christian one in many ways). Even its etymology is traced back through sources previous to its Hebrew version, from Shaitan (Persian) all the way back to Set (Egyptian). Satanism, to one degree or another, embraces additional cultural and religious ideas, concepts and imagery such as those of ancient Rome and ancient Greece, Zoroasterism, Asatru, Aztec, Hindu and a multitude of others. We also find the Satanic persona emanating from some or all of the literary works of Milton, Nietzsche, Mencken, Maugham, Twain, Rand, Jung, and many more.









not really sure why anton lavey chose the name satanism to describe his religion..........i just know that if i had to be labeled to a religion, satanism would most likely fit me best, it makes the most sense to me, except for the name.........that still confuses me, and since i don't agree with all of it, i choose not to accept it as my religoin, but rather take from it, as i take from all religions and just kinda do my own thing
<br>

You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)
Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 8:19 PM on j-body.org
okay..well good luck with that. <br>



Re: What are your beliefs?
Monday, January 24, 2005 8:28 PM on j-body.org
its been working for me these past 24 years......we'll see what the next 24 have in store, im happy for the now, and to me life is just a series of nows, so i hope im doing whats right, at least right for me <br>

You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:13 AM on j-body.org
Interesting that that Satanist chooses to recognize the devine, and still ignore it.

"because of his divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!"


Where do you think the "devine spiritual devlopement" came from?

Every version of Shaitan (the adversary) is oppossed to the continuance of human life, regardless of the religion you look at.

Be a Satanist all you want, but recognize it for what it is. Of course elements of it permiate throughout society and therefore can be seen in various literary works etc. Satan has been around longer than the Christian religion (not longer than the Christ), and considering the corruption began with the very first humans, it permiates everything.

PAX (if you ever find it)

Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:22 AM on j-body.org
You've been practising Satanism since you were born?

OK, I promise not to slam Satanism anymore, and I hope I haven't ticked off too many people by questioning it in a thread focused on open confession of beliefs. I have a problem when I can see that the great deceiver has blinded one more, that's all.

PAX
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:29 AM on j-body.org
i never said i was one, i just said i took some aspects of the religion and adapted it to my personal values structure, my own moral compass if you will, like the 11 satanic rules of the earth and the 9 satanic sins, those are the big ones i pull from satanism, only because that has been my beliefs ever since i can remember anyways.....well here are the 11 satanic rules and the 9 sins, in that order

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

I Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

II Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure that they want to hear them.

III When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

IV If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

V Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

VI Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the person and he cries out to be relieved.

VII Acknowledge the power of magic if you have used it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

VIII Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

IX Do not harm little children.

X Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.

XI When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Anton Szandor LaVey, 1967 c.e.





The Nine Satanic Sins

For years, people have asked Church of Satan representatives, "Well, okay - your philosophy is based on indulgence of human instincts but do you have sins like any other religion?" Our answer has always been "No". But the time has come to amend that response. We have grown steadily over the past 21 years and find that it is appropriate to have some clear guidelines on, not only what we strive for,but also what we work to avoid - what we disapprove of. The difference is where other religions develop sins that people can't avoid, we consider a number of things "sinful" that people could avoid if they worked a little.

Stupidity -- The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

Pretentiousness -- Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn't applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone's made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

Solipsism -- Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won't. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do unto you." It's work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

Self-deceit -- It's in the Nine Satanic Statements but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it's fun, and with awareness. But then, it's not self-deceit!

Herd Conformity -- That's obvious from a Satanic stance. It's all right to conform toa person's wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

Lack of Perspective -- Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints -- know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies -- Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something "new" and "different," when in reality it's something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the "creator" and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

Counterproductive Pride -- That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you've painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, "I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow," then do it.

Lack of Aesthetics -- This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but "an eye" for for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It's not what's supposed to be pleasing -- it's what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one's own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

Anton Szandor LaVey, 1987 c.e.










<br>

You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:28 AM on j-body.org
Right now:

My belief is that anyone that can be awake and fully functional/cheery at 8:00am needs to be dragged out into the street and shot. <br>

Goodbye Callisto, Hello Skađi:
2008 Pontiac G6 GXP Street Edition Coupe

The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.

Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 8:34 AM on j-body.org
hey mike where did you first hear of satanism? I actually read a paperback version of the satanic bible a few years ago, it was aboot 3/4ths the size of the necrinomicon, but it was interesting and actually touched into humanism just a tad as more of a "spin-off" (for lack of a better term) of traditional satanism.

<br>


Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:10 AM on j-body.org
Hey, mikeC, as long as you know where satanism leads. God knows where you stand. Alteast He won't spit you from his tongue as someone who is lukewarm for him who picks and chooses. It's interesting to learn actual facts into satanism. Can't be any more real than that. <br>

Smile, Jesus loves you!!!!! <><
Manchild-ProPain, out now, Sphereofhiphop.com
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:32 AM on j-body.org
actually ski i heard about it from a friend of mine who is a satanist, and i had questions about it, namely the name of it, so i got the satanic bible just to read it to understand, and now i lost it....interesting religion anyways, but its not all for me, so i don't concider myself a satanist

and jbody4jc i figure if god does exist, he is judging me right now, and i figure as long as i do what i feel is right, and try to be fair and impartial to everyone else (which i am most of the time) then god will pass judgment on me and i will recieve my fair punishment or reward....so guess i'll see what happens................and yes i find it very interesting to learn about satanism, and all religoins really, i wouldn't be suprised to see my bookcase in a few years and see the holy books of lots of religions, i find the study of them interesting

and keeper, i was awake, but definatley not cheery before 8 am damend army makes me get up before the sun, if i had my way i wouldn't have to go to work till noon, i hate mornings <br>

You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:08 AM on j-body.org
How can you live like that when the truth to the way is right in front of us. Don't you want to know what Heaven's like? <br>

Smile, Jesus loves you!!!!! <><
Manchild-ProPain, out now, Sphereofhiphop.com
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:15 AM on j-body.org
well I just can't accept the cristian belief structre because i was always led to believe by christanas that god is fair, and just, but then again my whole life is an unfair and unjust pile of crap being dumped on me for no reaon and i just starded doubting the whole thing, its my curiousity that makes me want to look at all religions before giving up on the whole idea, so to what you see and live as truth i just can't see, mabey im blind so to speak and will see the way eventually, but as of right now, what you see to be true, i can't. i have nothing against any religion, i just have my doubts about the ones i know anyways, so i just go about my life, looking at everything, and i feel eventually i will come to a crossroad and figure out what religion is right for me, mabey it will be christianity, mabye buhddism, who knows? i sure don't <br>

You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:43 AM on j-body.org
There is no belief structure, its ask God into your heart and life, and He will do the rest.
Hope its the right one, tomorrow is not promised. <br>

Smile, Jesus loves you!!!!! <><
Manchild-ProPain, out now, Sphereofhiphop.com
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:33 PM on j-body.org
Truth is truth and not fact. One's truth is another's falsehood.

From a macroreligious perspective, since this is all part of God's master plan, Satanists, like antitheists are there for a reason, along with everything else. In a way, extreme evangelism could be construed as an attempt to negate God's master plan.

From my perspective though--God is a fundamental implausibility. Jesus was a man with more insight than most, but still just a man. A man, that if i may go out on a limb, would probably have a difficult time accepting what has been done in his name since he was crucified.

Besdies, i like to take comfort into what Serendipity from "Dogma" said about religion:

When are you people going to learn? It's not about who's right or wrong. No denomination's nailed it yet, and they never will because they're all too self-righteous to realize that it doesn't matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith. Your hearts are in the right place, but your brains need to wake up.
<br>

Goodbye Callisto, Hello Skađi:
2008 Pontiac G6 GXP Street Edition Coupe

The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.


Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:35 PM on j-body.org
jbody4jc, do you ever have anything nice to say? You start a thread about what being open-minded is and yet you refuse to let people be as they are. They did not provoke you into posting again and again on how they will have judgement passed on them and goto hell. That is all in your belief so don't infringe on others beliefs by spouting off anymore. Like I've said before, I started this thread to learn more about other's beliefs in the hopes that people could learn to be more tolerate of them. You are failling that and I'd like it if you STFU.
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:48 PM on j-body.org
the only person butting in is you. who are u, the thread watchdog. How did i pass judgement on MikeC, maybe if you read it,. Based on questions of my belief, I was looking for certain answers that my beliefs have answers for. I want to know what satanism says anything on the next life. That is the nature of openmindedness, to find answers. Your sure not open minded on what I believe so beat it you little communist.
<br>

Smile, Jesus loves you!!!!! <><
Manchild-ProPain, out now, Sphereofhiphop.com
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:56 PM on j-body.org
Well, I did start this thread to learn. So I guess I am the watchdog. Lets end the arguements now before this turns out like a typical war thread.

Anyone else wanna talk about what they believe?
Re: What are your beliefs?
Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:34 PM on j-body.org
sounds like a plan. <br>

Smile, Jesus loves you!!!!! <><
Manchild-ProPain, out now, Sphereofhiphop.com
Forum Post / Reply
You must log in before you can post or reply to messages.

 

Start New Topic Advanced Search