this is great, and i also have to say everything is in your head, if you want to keep doing it you will, if you want to quit you will with the exception of alchohol because that is physically addictive and its funny how its the only legal drug, the goverment is keeping us addicted to so they can tax it and make a ton of money off it, thats why pot isnt legal because it would be hard for them to tax it all because its a plant you can grow it in your back yard

Naa, that's not it. It's to stop free thinking.. Actually I have no idea why, but I do know that any government would rather have some tax money than none at all, so there must be another reason.

I am quite confident that it is only illegal in Canada to keep the US border open. The US has threatened our trade relations, If we make it legal, and that sucks.

It is very difficult to prove imparement and nobody wants stoned drivers.. Of course a study in New Zealand showed that canabis impared drivers are actually very good drivers and they do not increase risk levels.. Interesting...

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Actually you can test for cannabis resin with a standard-type breathaliser. They have them in the Netherlands IIRC.

The thing that makes me really scratch my head:

- Alcohol is not legal to sell to minors.
- Neither is Tobacco.

How does the Gov't enforce this? You need a license to sell. If you sell to minors and get caught, you lose the license and part of your buinsess goes out the door.

Gov't benefits because they have a Tax resource that is totally voluntary to join, and there is a powerful self-regulation factor that keeps most people in line.

Marijuana is illegal to sell to all, but dealers don't care who they sell to, and they do not check ID's.

If a government decided to legalise and tax it, they'd have another tax pool, and they'd be cutting down on youths getting into the habit. Regulating the drug is a better idea mainly because you can then control who gets their hands on it.

If it's harder for teens to get their hands on drugs like Tobacco and Alcohol than it is on marijuana, maybe it'll be a good idea to start by opening up access and regulating.

Maybe I'm thinking back-asswards, but it seems that the current "war on drugs" futility march isn't working too well. Maybe people need to struggle against something in their way when there's a better way... maybe people need to shout at the wind...

I dunno.



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A very good friend of mine and myself used to laugh our selves into tears in health class in high school when the teacher mentioned " The Gateway Drug."

Several years down the road we both found out how true that statement really is. It's always " I'll just try it a little." Bullsh!t is what I have to say. I am on the other side of things from most of you guys. Weed did indeed lead me into other things the worst on my life being Meth.

I had a job at 21 making $60K. That's right HAD. I let the stuff get ahold of me and wham! I am now 26 years old with a baby on the way and I am proud to say I will be clean for 15 months Thursday. My girlfriend also had a severe problem with it. I don't expect anyone whom, has never been on that side of life to understand, but do this for me. The next time you see someone or talk to someone that you know has a problem, tell them to watch out. The harder stuff will destroy your life before you know it.

I am not saying this is the way for everybody, just my story in a nutshell.


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the reason why it's illegal is because the stuff grows wild...how could the government control it when they know that in the places it grows naturally, they can't control it and whoever can could undercut the government?




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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]the reason why it's illegal is because the stuff grows wild...how could the government control it when they know that in the places it grows naturally, they can't control it and whoever can could undercut the government?

Again, some tav money is better than no tax money. You can grow tobacco very easily as well, but who does? Very, very few.

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The growing of the Tobacco plant isn't the hard part, it's the tanning of the leaves.. too light or too dark and it's unusable.



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Tobacco also requires climate, here in Oregon I've know several customers who have tried to grow tobacco, but it has always turned out horrible, even for the guys who studied up and went all the way to do it right. As for nicotine being the most addictive drug, have you ever heard of anyone addicted to tomatoes or eggplant?(look it up). Also there was a time when Caffeine was said to be the most addictive substance(same as nicotine, by weight).

Hey Eric! if you're in Portland and haven't already check out JBNW! we should be having a meet there soon.

Still, you are right on climate and soil. the thing about weed though is that even despite the processes about tobacco, Weed can be (to varying degrees) in usable form and grown like a weed across the country. As such, Tobacco can't--it need a southeastern-like climate to grow in and be useable.

It would be very eeasy if the government controlled weed like the do tobacco for someone, like me, to grow, cultivate, and undercut the government--along with just about anyone else because they can't control it.



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You can grow Tobacco aeroponically, it's a little expensive, but the yeild is about 2.5 greater than the traditional method, and the harvesting requires significantly less machinery or labour.

There were Tobacco fields in Southern Ontario for a very long time (Tillsonburg specifically, thanks Stompin' Tom), but IIRC the tobacco was freighted to North Carolina for tanning because attempts here yielded poor results.

Keeper:
If you think about it, would you rather grow, cultivate and process weed for yourself and take for bloody ever, or, would you rather leave it to someone else and be assured of quality, and get it already in a tin?

Personally I think that most would rather do the latter, because North Americans are soft and servile... we'd rather pay a little more than go through the inconvenience and hassle of doing things for ourselves.

Personally, I cant wrapmy head around why Gov't hasn't jumped on this. The War on Drugs is a losing battle until you get a financial upperhand on the stuff... When was the last time you heard of people smuggling tobacco or liqour into the US en mass? yeah..



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Actually GAM, tobacco and liqour are constantly smuggled in and around through the various states, mostly because of taxes that are way out of hand(no tax should ever be higher than the vendors price).

I do agree that many people would just buy it from a legal store if it wasn't taxed to death just to stay legal. Also legal growers would experiment more with the best way to grow and cure and change the taste to atract more customers.

You guys are all nuts.. Kinda.. You have some stuff right.

Tobacco is still grown in southern Ontario. I used to work in tobacco. It's easy to grow, and prefers crappy soil that nothing else will grow in.. very high sand levels.. Other stuff will grow, like grains, but that's about it. It can be cured (tanned?) right on the farm where it is also graded before beeing sold. Yes curing is a tricky process but every farm I've ever been on does it on site. In fact tobacco bruises so easily that you need to do it on site.

Canabis will grow in a wide variety of climates but it must have at least 90 days frost free. It too requires a controlled curing process (the thing governments can't seem to do right for there med patients).

Tomatoes and eggplants are realated to tobacco but do not produce nicotine. Only plants in the nicotina family produce nicotine. Tomatoes and eggplant are Nightshades and are actually more closely related to Belladona and "Deadly Nightshade" than tobacco. In an interesting note, A tobacco plant was grafted to tomatoe rrots once and it failed to produce nicotine, but it did grow into a adult tobacco plant. That is where "The Simpsons" writers got the idea for the "tomacco" episode. Cool eh?

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Man, I wish I could edit that ^..

rrots = roots

No e on tomato except when plural.. I feel like Dan Quayle...


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Actually if you look on the web you will find that eggplant does produce nicotene, that is why I said look it up, I found several sites that refer to the quantity in them.

As for tobacco, I've been in this business now over 15 years, I started around 10 working in a shop my mom used to work at, not as an employee though I did work there. I haven't been lucky enough to go yet, but my parents and several of our staff have been to the DR, Hon and Nic. Like has been stated here, tobacco will grow just about anywhere, but it requires the right climate to be worth smoking(which is why cubans are still regarded as the best cigars, even though the families that blended them were exiled and remade their names in the DR with tobacco's from around the world. They were the original blenders and curors, if any tobacco could do, people wouldn't care as much about cubans over DR, Hon and Nic cigars. As for sand in the soil, I think you meant volcanic ash.

This is one website I found that I beleive references a study in the new england journal of medicine, it is a study of how they judge second hand smoke effects, but it does list eggplant and tomato as producing nicotene.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/308/6920/61/c

I'm talking about ordinary virgina leave (used in cigarettes) not cigar tobacco.

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Even with ciggarette tobacco, climate has a huge effect on whether it's worth smoking. It will grow anywhere, but certain places it just tastes like crap.

Virginia leaf.. Sheesh... typo city today...

OK, that said, I'm sure that same priciple applies to canabis, as it does with all plants.. Some places are good, others aren't.. Otherwise we'd all grow our own coffee too.

Heck most people don't grow their own carrots

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Hahahaha: I might have been wrong about the freighting, so thanks for clearing that up.

Anyhow...

Uncured tobacco, eggplant and tomatoes have Nicotine Alkaloids, tanning (thought it was called curing... my bad again) concentrates the nicotine by displacing most of the water. If worse came to worst, you COULD smoke a massive joint full of tomato leaves or potato skins, but you'd more than likely vomit before getting the fix.

http://www.organicfood.co.uk/inspiration/nightshadefoods.html




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