^^^^^ messed up on my quote to hahahaha lol I did not write My taxes are paying their salaries. I do support them. But they are not protecting my freedom. The Constitution does that.
Ok for one I know that most of the troops do not support the war hell who would want to be over seas trying to stay alive. All I am saying is that I know some people (not saying any one on the org.) that say well troops should have not went and all this crap. I just wanted to say something to get it off my mind I hate the fact that we have young men over there giving up their lifes for our govt that i bet my life would not have the balls to get some cammo on get a m-16 and go over there.
And if your asking why am I not over seas right now? it is due to my age that is the ONLY thing keeping me back from going into the Navy
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Well, Trevor, then good luck to you when you join the armed forces. I for one find it very wrong to be asked to potentially die for a cause i don't believe in (this war). IMHO, if the government believed in thsi war, their sons AND their daughters should ahve been the first ones over there.
Regardless, i'd like to address the misquote--not beliveing that you said it, but because there are those on this board that believe it.
The constitution is the thing that guarentees our rights--not the soldiers. As convoluted as that sounds, you have to consider this. The biggest threat to the rights of the american people is not the Afghans, the Iraquis, the N. Koreans, or the Iranians--it's the government itself. Would the soldiers actively stand up against the government if/when they try to take away the rights guarenteed to the people for by the constitution? Nope. It is for that reason and that reason alone that the soldiers do not defend the rights of the people. They protect the U.S.'s existance, but they do not defend the rights of the people--otherwise, at least one faction of the military would have moved on Capitol hill when they passed the treasonous act called "The patriot act".
As such, do support the troops. i admime one that has the honor to lay down their life for a cause they believe is bigger than them. I hope for their safe return, and i hope that if they lose their life in battle, that it's not a lost cause. And it's for that reason that i do NOT support this war or the U.S. government--i believe this war--the Iraqi war and the korean/iran issues as a lost cause. I would hate to see someone like Z24princess, Saint, or a good faction of my freinds die because of the phantomic reasons that we are forcefed by the media in which we should be going to war.
And as GAM has aforementioned--we shouldn't have even CONSIDERED Iraq before we had Bin Laden in custody. At least finding Bin Laden we had 90% of the world on our side.
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There are troops that are fighting and dieing every single day for you people to be able to do that and i bet most of those protesters don't have the balls to sign up for a military branch and go over seas and kill so they bitch about something
That has to be most ignorant thing i ever heard but your still a kid so go figure. Do u actually think the Iraq war was for your freedom ?? yea ok more like the fat cats wanted to get fatter and get control of the oils and also their was unfinished business .. theirs much more just don't wanna get into it now... and of course most people support the troops their the ones risking theirs lives (for nothing)
Like seriously think about this bud, would u die for Bush ? would you die for Iraq's freedom ? would you die for nothing ? thats is what u have to ask yourself. I for one would never put my life in danger for those causes.
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ok for one thank everyone for the comments and i mean that I mean this is what i wanted. lots and lots of responses and i got them and thats whats great about America is that hell we could argue another year about this and that but we put @!#$ aside and be kool. Yes now that i think about it Iraq is not about us loosing our freedom. Its just that i know it hurts to watch the ABC and see a salute every night cuzz we have a solider pass away i mean to die for i cause that you really do not know if it does exist got to have some courage. I know I love this country so I am ready to go to war when it calls. Maybe I am just crazy and the subs in the cavy have gotten into my head to much who knows. Hope I did not offend anyone. Peace
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one thing though, kinda off topic, from what ive seen and what i know, most of us don't die for our country, we die for our friends and fellow soldiers, there is so much of a brotherhood feeling that you will die to save your friends, ive seen it myself, a vehicle gets blown up and a guy runs out in direct enemy fire to try to help his buddy, knowing he's gonna get shot, but that doesn't matter, as long as he saves his friend. the reasons behind the deaths are completely stupid (being in iraq in the first place) but i know every day when i had to go on a mission, i was prepared to give my life for my friends, im not ready to die for my country, but i will for my friends
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I support the troops.
The mentality that I am confused about is "well look at what happened in 9/11, we lost 3 thousand people" OK that is fine, when you were in Afghanistan and looking for the guy that did this (OBL)
But now they are in Iraq without getting Bin Laden as Saddam was supposedly a threat to the United States. Over 1 thousand soldiers have died in Iraq so that brings the US's total to approx 4 thousand plus. However, the Iraqi people, the ones that are being "liberated" have lost over 10 thousand people.
This war is bull.
I just want the troops home and out of harms way, or the troops out of Iraq and a lot more looking for Osama
Trevor D. wrote:97icecold wrote:
SO signing up for the military requires balls and the urge to kill? And all this time I thought it meant wanting to better oneself while serving the country which has given so much? War is simply politics by another means. As I don't agree with the politics, I certainly will not agree with the war. I can't validate the deaths of roughly one hundred thousand innocent men, women, and children for our political agenda. Be careful when you accuse people of not having balls and being cowardly. One day you'll say it to the right person, face to face, and then you learn about what having balls means.
So you are saying that if you go over seas and u have people trying to kill you and couldn't care less about u that you are not going to kill? If thats what you are saying what a dumb ass. Hey people die in war like it or not. I just cant believe that when you go back in your mind and think about what happened on 9/11 that just does not make you so pissed off? That makes me furious to know that they sent murders over here and killed thousands of people that were innocent i mean innocent people are dieing over there yes but we lost lots too. Tough @!#$. and let me guess u are going to be the guy that shoes me what having balls mean since you know everything. Take a chill pill.
Since I am not in the military, I wouldn't be in Iraq with people who want to kill me. And since this war is merely an imperialistic and economic grab, I wouldn't be in it. If I were involved in a war such as WWII then that would be different as their would be a validation and honorable cause.
9/11 happened..... so we lost 3000 people. Tragic yes. But did Saddam have anything to do with it? No. Since your heart cries out for the 9/11 victims, what abotu the tens of thousands of people who died in Iraq since the Gulf War due to starvation caused by UN embargo.sanctions? Can you truly justify killing 100,000 INNOCENT men, wmen, and CHILDREN to avenge ( incorrectly ) 3000?
Who is they? The Islamic world? Or one organization which uses brainwashing and a radical extremeists interpretation of Islam to wage a Jihad against the US? And I might add terrorism is a tactic used against us due to our international economic and imperial policy abroad. Prior to the Iraq war, the US was admired by an overwhelming majority of the Arab world. We did do good and our intervention in Gulf War I was appreciated. "THEY" did not have a beef with us until Iraq. Al Queda was a rogue entity and had to be dealt with. Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with that.
can u justify this?
we are killing children....
War is a terrible thing. There is no such thing as smart bombs. Innocent people get killed and maimed. If war is to be faught, it had better be for something worth the human costs. And since there were no WMD or Al Queda connection, this war was never justified and is criminal. Thats why I say to bring the troops home. They are killing, being wounded, and dying for a political and economic agenda. And that is unacceptable.
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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]Well, Trevor, then good luck to you when you join the armed forces. I for one find it very wrong to be asked to potentially die for a cause i don't believe in (this war). IMHO, if the government believed in thsi war, their sons AND their daughters should ahve been the first ones over there.
Regardless, i'd like to address the misquote--not beliveing that you said it, but because there are those on this board that believe it.
The constitution is the thing that guarentees our rights--not the soldiers. As convoluted as that sounds, you have to consider this. The biggest threat to the rights of the american people is not the Afghans, the Iraquis, the N. Koreans, or the Iranians--it's the government itself. Would the soldiers actively stand up against the government if/when they try to take away the rights guarenteed to the people for by the constitution? Nope. It is for that reason and that reason alone that the soldiers do not defend the rights of the people. They protect the U.S.'s existance, but they do not defend the rights of the people--otherwise, at least one faction of the military would have moved on Capitol hill when they passed the treasonous act called "The patriot act".
As such, do support the troops. i admime one that has the honor to lay down their life for a cause they believe is bigger than them. I hope for their safe return, and i hope that if they lose their life in battle, that it's not a lost cause. And it's for that reason that i do NOT support this war or the U.S. government--i believe this war--the Iraqi war and the korean/iran issues as a lost cause. I would hate to see someone like Z24princess, Saint, or a good faction of my freinds die because of the phantomic reasons that we are forcefed by the media in which we should be going to war.
And as GAM has aforementioned--we shouldn't have even CONSIDERED Iraq before we had Bin Laden in custody. At least finding Bin Laden we had 90% of the world on our side.
Ah ha keepers on my side
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Trevor D. wrote:ok for one thank everyone for the comments and i mean that I mean this is what i wanted. lots and lots of responses and i got them and thats whats great about America is that hell we could argue another year about this and that but we put @!#$ aside and be kool. Yes now that i think about it Iraq is not about us loosing our freedom. Its just that i know it hurts to watch the ABC and see a salute every night cuzz we have a solider pass away i mean to die for i cause that you really do not know if it does exist got to have some courage. I know I love this country so I am ready to go to war when it calls. Maybe I am just crazy and the subs in the cavy have gotten into my head to much who knows. Hope I did not offend anyone. Peace
Trevor,
Sorry to jump your case so hard out of the gate. But you came across as so full of venom and hate I retaliated in kind. The hardest hting about all of this is to do what we have been traiend not to: think. The school system has been systematically destroyed, history is mistaught, and the media bombards us with hate. The Bush administration used all this, along with 9/11, to pursue their political goals. This war is about money and power. The world is catching up in terms of economic power. The US, in terms of geopolitical power is waining. By controlling the worlds oil ( through a subservient democaracy in iraq ), and establishing a military line of bases across the Middle East, the neocons are convinced we can return to our glory days. Those days are GONE. Our corporate greed and swindling has taken care of that. The systetm will right itself in time, it is hte nature of all things. But I cannot justify sacrificing our American soldiers because a bunch of imperialistic, hateful neocons are grasping at straws in hopes of being a superpower. What they forget is that a superpower means economic power. Military is nothing without the ability to fund it or wield it properly. China is the worlds rising superpower. The Middle East will be due to their oil. Latin America is on the rise as well. The world is catching up to us, and using the military to prevent is inconscionable.
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hey all good. The only this is that you that have gave there .02cents about how the U.S govt is screwed up and crap what are you doing about it? and I am not saying that to be an ass I am just asking what people are doing to change the govt are you running for a party or are you voting. If you don't like the U.S why don't you move to Canada or Germany, or China. Why do you stay in this so called "awful country?
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Typical idiot ^^^ 
^^^ Hardly one to pass judgement.
Trevor:
Most people don't abandon their home because of a screwed up system of government, Otherwise, Canada, Russia, China, Japan, Mexico, Ivory Coast, and numerous other countrys would be empty for one reason or another (note, I didn't say they'd be headed to the US
). Fix what you can at home, and after that, bitch until you're blue in the face, just make sure you're bitching at the right people.
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mikec2003 wrote:one thing though, kinda off topic, from what ive seen and what i know, most of us don't die for our country, we die for our friends and fellow soldiers, there is so much of a brotherhood feeling that you will die to save your friends, ive seen it myself, a vehicle gets blown up and a guy runs out in direct enemy fire to try to help his buddy, knowing he's gonna get shot, but that doesn't matter, as long as he saves his friend. the reasons behind the deaths are completely stupid (being in iraq in the first place) but i know every day when i had to go on a mission, i was prepared to give my life for my friends, im not ready to die for my country, but i will for my friends
and don't let anyone ever say that you are without honor, my man.
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so because i'm in the military, that makes me a murderer then, right GAM?
murder...The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Funny....I haven't killed, let alone, murder anyone.
Wow it's great to see all your opinions and facts, its opening up my mind -Thanks(Keeper of the Light™, 97icecold, bad _kitty and Thx GAM for sticking up for me your the best hehe) and mikec2003 nice write up it really touched me honestly, thinking about you boys over their knowing your gonna die and willing to die for your buddie is the most respectable honorable thing i ever heard man. Be safe bro alright
Just because a mistake was made dont make everything ok. Who are we at war with, local ppl running with bombs on thier chest? More like a local pest problem. The number of people dieing in Iraq has nothing to do with yours or mine freedom, these ppl cant even feed themselves how are they a threat? You obviously cant even type an intelligent post so your perfect expendable Bush pawn and I wish you a safe journey to hell. Iraq or the rest of the world could give a @!#$ what you say on a street corner. I have the balls to do anything I want but I also have whats called a brain and logic. Iraq is a pointless war that has nothing to do with my country or me. They never attacked us and if we didnt go poking our nose all over the world telling everyone else how to live thier life we probably wouldnt have as many enemies. The greatest way to defend our country right now is to vote out Bush and everyone associated with him. The fact of the matter is that if you died today in Iraq nobody here would give two @!#$s about it cause it doesnt affect them personally. So go off do whatever dont expect anyone here to give a @!#$
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ECB:
Calm down. I said you're hardly one to pass judgment. Where in what I said did I call you anything? If you want to chill out and read critically, be my guest.
If you really wanted to read between the lines I said you're as much an idiot as you think 2o3Cavi is. Sheesh. If you want a little astroglide to pull the knot in your panties out of your arse, I think Rodimus has some
J/P Rod, I know you use KY when you and ECB make hairy man-love...
Wow... now I'm going to throw up.
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Trevor:
Most people don't abandon their home because of a screwed up system of government, Otherwise, Canada, Russia, China, Japan, Mexico, Ivory Coast, and numerous other countrys would be empty for one reason or another (note, I didn't say they'd be headed to the US ). Fix what you can at home, and after that, bitch until you're blue in the face, just make sure you're bitching at the right people.
lol that def put a smile on my face lol. Yes very true. Thanks
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Just because a mistake was made dont make everything ok. Who are we at war with, local ppl running with bombs on thier chest? More like a local pest problem. The number of people dieing in Iraq has nothing to do with yours or mine freedom, these ppl cant even feed themselves how are they a threat? You obviously cant even type an intelligent post so your perfect expendable Bush pawn and I wish you a safe journey to hell. Iraq or the rest of the world could give a @!#$ what you say on a street corner. I have the balls to do anything I want but I also have whats called a brain and logic. Iraq is a pointless war that has nothing to do with my country or me. They never attacked us and if we didnt go poking our nose all over the world telling everyone else how to live thier life we probably wouldnt have as many enemies. The greatest way to defend our country right now is to vote out Bush and everyone associated with him. The fact of the matter is that if you died today in Iraq nobody here would give two @!#$s about it cause it doesnt affect them personally. So go off do whatever dont expect anyone here to give a @!#$
Dang G take a chill pill
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in reference to rodimus...
yea, so when the holocaust took place, it would have been alright to just stay away from that situation too, right?.. i mean, they were just jews, not us citizens, right?......
kinda like how iraqi's must not be good enough to rate as human beings, right?...
..just a million or so kurds..... i mean, it's not like they're us citizens...
you know who you sound like?
hitler...
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we never went over there cause of something that happened in the 80s, we went over as a political pawn to try to make it look like we're doing something to protect the country, when in reality there was no WMD so then they tried the Al Quida linking, then after that lie now we're over there to liberate them. How many other reasons are going to be given?
I'll repeat again for those hard of hearing this war has NOTHING AT ALL to do with AMERICAN freedom, so to everyone over there dont insult my intelligence by saying your fighting for our freedom, what you do has not a damn thing to do with my freedom, your following orders, no matter how many die over there it isnt going to make a difference in any of our lives. A thousand soldiers could die there tommorow and it wouldnt make any difference at all in mine or yours personal freedom. That reason alone is why this war is wrong. The financial burden and the losses of troops isnt worth it. How can you say you support the troops by sending them to a meaningless death? If people need to die for something there needs to be a better reason than Iraq
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but, if they wanted it bad enough, ECB, they'd fight for it themselves.
After all, it could be said that the only thing guarenteeing the rights of the US citizens is the us citizens themselves, and look at what percentage of citizens think there should be a limit to rights...
Again, if you think about it, it's why we broke free fron england in the first place
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EastCoastBeast II wrote:so because i'm in the military, that makes me a murderer then, right GAM?
murder...The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Funny....I haven't killed, let alone, murder anyone.
im in the military over here too and i feel the same way, but i have killed but i am not a MURDERER i was just defending my/our lives. whoever said that we dont defend you and the constitution does, you need to wake up out of your dream were the people you should thank so that weere not living in a communist society.........just my 2 cents
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EastCoastBeast II wrote:in reference to rodimus...
yea, so when the holocaust took place, it would have been alright to just stay away from that situation too, right?.. i mean, they were just jews, not us citizens, right?......
Just a point of note. No country went into WWII in an effort to stop "The Holocaust". It wasn't even known about until the war was over.. Whatever it really was. Countries entered WWII because Germany was Fascist and in a position to control all of werstern Europe. The real war was to stop the rise of Fascism. That, and to colonise Africa and the Mid-east, but those proccesses had all ready begun before the war. The Spanish revolution very well may have been the "tipping" point for most. Japan's attack against the US was the reason for the US to get in. No country was willing to accept Jewish immagrants (in any real number) let alone send armies to defend them.
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I have yet to meet a person that doesn't support the Troops, but I have met plenty of people that don't support the war.
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Countries entered WWII because Germany was Fascist and in a position to control all of werstern Europe. The real war was to stop the rise of Fascism. That, and to colonise Africa and the Mid-east, but those proccesses had all ready begun before the war
wow that sounds strikingly like what is going on now we have a Fascist leader in place trying to go all over the world and tell nations how to run thier governments
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