same thing with 9/11...
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9/11 caused a lot more panic... I can still remember counting the number of times I saw WTC 1&2 going down on CNN... 4 months hence. It was still shown up to about 15-20 times a day.
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her husband wants her to die so that she can never come out of her "coma"... i mean, those broken bones they found in her body got there how?? ....i say hook her up...who knows, she might come to..and expose him...
Broken bones?
When was the last time you had a heart attack after making yourself bulemic for 6 years?
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EastCoastBeast II wrote:her husband wants her to die so that she can never come out of her "coma"... i mean, those broken bones they found in her body got there how?? ....i say hook her up...who knows, she might come to..and expose him...
"coma" shes not in a coma, shes a vegetable, half her brain is gone. she's not coming back. spousal abuse has been proven false in the court system years and years ago.
good post on page 2 gam. seems everybody wants to just grab onto lies and internet strories instead of working with facts.
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she could breathe on her own..could christopher reeves?? ..no..no he couldn't...and who's to say his abuse didnt' cause her bulemia?
EastCoastBeast II wrote:she could breathe on her own..could christopher reeves?? ..no..no he couldn't...and who's to say his abuse didnt' cause her bulemia?
But Christopher Reeves was only paralyzed not Brain dead. Don't know where your getting your info from but you might want to find a more reliable source.
ECB:
Consider this: Could Terry Schiavo survive by her own faculties? Could Reeve?
Nope. They would become Lion, Tiger, or Bear meat (oh, my!).
As such, it was not whoever that removed the feedign tube that is killing her, it's nature or whatever god you believe in that's killing her.
She most likely should have died with the heart attack--sucks, but that's life.
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Christopher Reeve had a spinal cord injury, however, he was able to communicate but not move. He had no brain damage.
Terry Schiavo has no spinal cord injury, but she is unable to communicate or move of her own volition in repeatable movements. She has severe brain damage.
The difference?
Chris Reeve could communicate that he wanted to live, and did so on a daily basis, Terry hasn't been able to since 1991. Chris had all of his faculties about him and Terry has non of them because over 50% of her brain is no longer grey matter, it's spinal fluid.
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ok, where do we put the cut-off then? I mean, do we just cut the feeding tube to people that are comatose too?...
the point i'm trying to get to is "what is the precidence that we're setting?"
The precedence isn't being set at all... She had communicated in a serious manner to more than 2 people her wish to not live in a persistant vegitative state. She is in a persistant vegitative state, and there is no hope of recovery. Clearly, living in that condition would not have been something she'd have wanted.
The only precedence that's been set is the number of times her family has beaten their collective heads against a legal wall, and the egregious and unconstitutional reachings of the Florida State assembly make on 30-40 seconds of heavily edited video.
I think that if any good could come out of this, it's that more people will investigate and draw up a living will, as well as communicate their wishes with their family members. Strictly within the case of Terry Schiavo, she didn't want to live the way she has been for 15 years. Expanding what has been done in her case to other cases is not really applicable because all the rulings have been delimited to HER case, HER wishes and HER ideals. If there had been an issue of law or constitutionality of a law, the Supreme Court would have chosen to hear her case, but because there was no case for the alteration or striking down of laws, the Court didn't choose to hear the case. (With the exception of the Florida State legislature grossly overstepping their boundaries in giving Jeb Bush ad litem guardianship and ordering a medical procedure that was clearly not within her wishes)
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Comatose patients usually have at least "some" hope of recovery. They can get better. Furthermore, what makes them themsleves is still intact in majority of comatose patients. But that which made made Terry Schiavo herself, is gone forever. She is biologically alive, and nothing more. So are bacteria. But in this case the bacteria are better off. Sad but true.
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
Actually, ECB, they should have removed her feeding tube and Kevorkian'ed her--as in put her to sleep and stop her heart--like a lethan injection. At least that way they aren't starving her to death.
But wait--that's not ethical...we can't kill someone quickly and painlessly--we just let them dehydrate and starve to death...
And we still have the gall to call our specie civilized...
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Actually, ECB, they should have removed her feeding tube and Kevorkian'ed her--as in put her to sleep and stop her heart--like a lethan injection. At least that way they aren't starving her to death.
precisely...
you don't starve an animal to put it down, you give it an injection...I fail to see how this is the right way to do it..
it's because it's "immoral"
Let me put it this way.
It's immoral to euthanize--thanks to the bleeding-heart religious right (had to
) that thinks that it's not okay to commit suicide or euthanize--even when you're living in pain.
It's immoral to remove her feeding tube and let nature take it's course...
It's immoral to keep her living like this.
Choose your poison, because no matter what you do there will be blood on your hands.
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Well, the thing is that while her body is in a state of acute wasting, she is actually not feeling any pain, and the family is claiming her mouth is acutely dry, which is not true.
The regimen used in these kinds of cases is aggressive pain management, and artificial saliva and saline drip. Her body isn't experiencing pain the way you or I would cognitively feel it as she has so little brain matter left. If she were able to cognitively feel pain, she wouldn't anyhow as she's got a morphine bolus every few minutes, and that will minimise the pain she would experience.
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...or you can just give a good dose of morphine and then a 1000mg dose of sodium pentothol (sp?) and have the issue over quickly--rather than drawing it out over weeks.
After all, there's not a shark, lion, tiger, bear, or other predator to make at the human smorgasboard to put her out quickly.
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i havent followed this thread, so if this has been mentioned...sorry.
today i read in my school's campus paper that her husband is remarried... if so, why is the courts giving him the "say so" and not her parents. i can understand if they were still married, but if he's got a nother wife and family...
thoughts?
He's not remarried, he has kids with another woman, and may be living with her.
from what I've read, I've read all the posts here and looked up a lot of it, the video you keep seeing is from like 12 years ago (and very edited). Weather her husband is remairried doesn't matter as he was still married to her when he procedded with her feeding tube removal, the family has just been dragging it on in court since. He has the right as her legal guardian to do that. And the Courts have no more jurisdiction in it.
(I am very happy that the US supreme court has on more than one occasion, not agreed to hear the case.)
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You know ECB, I completely agree that she should be euthanized, she should have been a long time ago. You see this is exactly why I support complete legalization of euthanasia. Of course this won't happen because of all the radical pro-lifers(not saying all pro-lifers are radical) out there who "know" that this is euthanasia is murder, playing God, etc, etc. Sometimes though, killing is an act of mercy, not murder. Same thing most any terminally ill patients(but it should be their choice, if they're still able to make that choice). It's not fair to force someone to suffer - just so they can die of natural causes, and so people can say it wasn't taken out of God's hands etc. While some may argue that they may recover, God willing. While I believe that to be true, if God can cure a terminal illness, and can keep people in a furnace from any harm, then he can also keep a person from dying even if they have received a lethal injection(intended euthanasia) if it is truly God's will - and so that isn't taking anything out of his hands.
Now if you support euthanasia, you are taking a view counter to the standard conservative platform(as I've noticed you usually stick pretty firmly to). Which means that on this issue, you've been thinking with your own head and heart.
That's independent thought.
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
This is the reason we're overpopulated.
Like others have said, leave it to nature and this woman wouldn't have survived the heart attack.
Maybe I'm cruel, but if you have a massive heart attack that would kill you without medical attention--then perhaps you should be dead. Something is wrong with you and nature decided that you'd be best off not procreating.
This woman is a perfect example of that.
Medicine is nice when it helps me get over a cold a week earlier, not when it keeps this vegetable alive in quite possibly the most inhumane way I can think of.
However, does anyone else think it's ironic that she's going to starve to death? Isn't that the reason she got into that mess in the first place? (I know she was bulimic, but a potassium deficiency would come about by not eating, no?)
The potassium drop came about as a result of bulemic purging.
I'm not going to get into euthenasia... they need less cartoons... of wait.. mercy killing... not getting into that either.
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