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why are people...people?
Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM on j-body.org
I've been wondering about this type of thing for a while.... Why do people pursue nothing but what fulfills their wants in life? Is it just bad parenting, or some type of life crisis, or just plain self-consumption? Example, one of my buddies at school was talking about some girl today, as usual, and said that he'd want her to be his girlfriend, so he could have sex with her whenever he wanted. I was mildly proud, as he usually just sleeps with random girls that he gets drunk/high.... so I tell him that's pretty cool that he's gonna focus on one girl, to which he responds: 'Oh, I'm not gonna be faithful to her, it'll just be a backup if I can't get laid by anyone else.' My internal question: "What the @!#$ is wrong with this kid?" Does it always have to be about sex? Seriously, I may sound gay, but if you step outside the box for a minute, guys are complete @!#$tards to women, in general that is. Is an orgasm more important than deep ties with another personality? For the record, I'm still a virgin. I mean, I enjoy fooling around with my girlfriend as much as any other guy would with his g/f, but sometimes, we just sit and talk about important things like premarital sex, trust, relationships, and whatnot. Sometimes I feel that that is better than making out or...other things. I'm so disappointed in guys when I see things like this... Women are just as much people as men, yet we treat them like sexual playthings... it makes me sick.

Another thing... people are so damn lazy these days. I'm not saying I'm not, but some people take it to the extreme. Human nature: people want everything handed to them, with little, preferably no work on their part. Example: tonight at work; I'm already in a pissy mood because my hours are being cut (@!#$ Department of Labor) and what really sets me off is when I see people away from their assigned station when there is obvious work to be done at that station. I know, fast food, no big deal. Whatever. But when I'm working drive-thru, I don't expect to have to go to the front counter to take orders, or go to the kitchen to drop food in the fryers, or anything of that sort. I have my station, my duties. I not paid enough in the first place, but definitely,definitely not enough to do other peoples' job on top of mine! The best part: they sent me home early to protect labor....

Well, I think I'm done making myself look like a naļve teen, so comments welcome, good + bad. I feel better for venting though




Re: why are people...people?
Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:48 PM on j-body.org
Well, I'll see if I can Cook it down to a few sage points:

1: These days, promiscuity isn't a big deal... I think it ought to be, but then again, it can be fun. Most people don't take the risks associated with casual sex seriously enough, and when they finally do, it's usually too late.

Point: People are stupid.

2: A lot of people do not take what they're doing seriously... I hate to use a cliche, but it's the 8 Mile mentality of living up here, when you oughtta be living down here... (imagine me making hand motions). Basically, people just expect things to get better, but what work needs be done, who can tell... our parents don't know or aren't telling, and we're just conditioned to believe it'll fall into our laps. Most previous generations had this same kind of thing, so it's not new territory. I suppose most people you're age (god I feel old saying that...) don't get it yet, and maybe they will, maybe they won't. You can't let yourself be weighed down by that, because most people that don't get it, don't realise it. I guess people settle for less, and that's sad... but on the flip side, they'll bankrupt the social security net, so they'll have to find their own way out of hell.. just like the rest of us, except, the rest of us will have a head start.

Point: People are STOOOPID!

In general, I think that there are far too many people that are dead wood on society, and I also think that it's about time to start cutting this off, I don't mean illiterate mothers of 6, I mean them, and their mates but not the kids.. I also think that it's up to people to start taking an interest in the world around them and maybe using their intelligence and opposable thumbs for something more useful than watching Boobah while baked and masturbating chronically.

Then again, some people just don't know how to motivate themselves.



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Re: why are people...people?
Friday, April 01, 2005 8:27 AM on j-body.org
The fact that you are a teen says a lot. Not saying you're immature or anything, but chances are the people you hang out with are the same age and they probably haven't grown up.

Don't worry about it too much, they will mostly mature. Also, if the girl can't see that she is being used, then well maybe she will learn a lesson from it. Everything is a learning experience man.


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Re: why are people...people?
Friday, April 01, 2005 12:47 PM on j-body.org
Jason,

You're going to run into a lot of bad people in your life. Your friend is an @!#$, might be a good person to have fun with because he's care-free, but he's definately an @!#$. Most likely he'll stay that way, many guys think like that.

Lazy people? Never!
You're going to run into tons of them. Hopefully you'll find a time where stepping up & doing above & beyond your job will be recognized, which will get you somewhere. Hopefully that is... just pay attention to when you may think it will be effective, otherwise, don't let it bother you too much.

I actually smiled when i read this. There are so many bad people out there & this makes you sound like you aren't one of them. I'm glad that you think about things more than the average goof-off. You seem to have a good thought process & you're more considerate than many people!




Re: why are people...people?
Friday, April 01, 2005 1:00 PM on j-body.org
look at any add any tv show anything and you will see women as sex objects, women are seen to be conquered. society teaches boys that its great to nail allot of girls and society also teaches girls that your a slut if u do the same thing. now adays it seems society is teaching the girls that its okay to sleep around allot, instead of teaching the guys to learn some respect.


as far as layziness goes. its the age of get something for nothing, everyone expect everything to be handed to them. think allot of it has to do with the babyboomers age. they were the group that basically decided that they hated working at an early age and that they were going to let their kids be kids longer in life and not make allot of them work. kids are more privlidged now. they want to be friends instead of parents. so kids are having allot more things handed to them at an older age. so it takes allot longer for them to learn how to work hard for something. used to be you were 18 and you were out on your own, now it seems like most people are living with their parents until there in their late 20's to early 30's


as far as you and your work situation, that comes from a lazy boss who doesnt care about where he works, you as a worker should not take on the responsibility of the drive thru and the counter, if that happens let your manager know. let them know your not paid to do both jobs. if that doesnt change things at all. your manager has a boss,go to them.


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Re: why are people...people?
Friday, April 01, 2005 6:23 PM on j-body.org
sndsgood wrote:look at any add any tv show anything and you will see women as sex objects, women are seen to be conquered. society teaches boys that its great to nail allot of girls and society also teaches girls that your a slut if u do the same thing. now adays it seems society is teaching the girls that its okay to sleep around allot, instead of teaching the guys to learn some respect.


Double standard, eh?


Handy that...

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as far as layziness goes. its the age of get something for nothing, everyone expect everything to be handed to them. think allot of it has to do with the babyboomers age. they were the group that basically decided that they hated working at an early age and that they were going to let their kids be kids longer in life and not make allot of them work. kids are more privlidged now. they want to be friends instead of parents. so kids are having allot more things handed to them at an older age. so it takes allot longer for them to learn how to work hard for something. used to be you were 18 and you were out on your own, now it seems like most people are living with their parents until there in their late 20's to early 30's


I don't know about baby boomers, I think what happened then was, because of the Vietnam War era they asserted themselves much earlier than previous generations had (through earnest and diligent work), and basically got what they had a lot earlier than was previously possible. After that, in the 70's "Me" generation, it was not uncommon to have parents with a well-feathered nest, with a lot of vested stocks, and a good bit of cash to throw around...

The 80's weren't so great if you were in the stock market, but then again, people bought things instead of stocks and bonds because it was a safer bet... The 90's a lot of people got it REALLY hard in the beginning, and later when the tech bubble burst, and again when 9/11/01 happened...

You have here:
- Materialism
- Self-interest
- Political power that vested far too early.

Seems to me like a recipe for self-indulgence don't you think?

Personally, I was out on my ass when I was 18, I moved back in when I was 19, lived with my folks until I was 23, then moved out for good (I hope!). I think the problem is that teens and younger adults (meaning over 18 but under 30) do not yet know the meaning of the words restraint, discipline or planning. I'm not one to preach by any means, but I know that most of time I was growing up, I was never encouraged to save money or think ahead, I had a very permissive upbringing... it's biting me in the ass right now, believe me.

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as far as you and your work situation, that comes from a lazy boss who doesnt care about where he works, you as a worker should not take on the responsibility of the drive thru and the counter, if that happens let your manager know. let them know your not paid to do both jobs. if that doesnt change things at all. your manager has a boss,go to them.


And, if this kind of thing persists, your boss has a boss. My advice is do things QUIETLY.

If all else fails... Not to downplay your job, but it's food service... it's not a career move. Do what you're supposed to do, and if things don't improve, don't do a stitch more. They can't fire you for only doing your job. If they do, you have a labour board, and you can complain... You won't get your job back, but you can get a decision in your favour and they will probably have to pay out a certain amount of money if they fired you without cause. Just keep a record (yes.. write it down after each shift) of what you did, and what you were told to do, match it up against your job description.

Like I said, it's not a big thing if it's fast food service, you can go elsewhere. I'd say, if you're not adverse to it, look into a job in cleaning... it's not all that hard, and you get decent money as well... if you make your own business out of it (like go on sundays... or what not during the summer) you keep your money.. if it's under the table, so much the better... just be damned careful.



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Re: why are people...people?
Friday, April 01, 2005 7:35 PM on j-body.org
Jason> Everyone else pretty much summed it up as far as to what I was going to say... but I must say it is really good to see that there still are some good people out there... and you seem like a really good person with good morals, respect and values. That's REALLY hard to find nowadays, and especially with younger people (I feel old myself LOL).

I really don't think there's anything to explain such behavior in people except for the fact that they are people. People have flaws, some worse than others... which sucks yes... but it's things you just have to deal with and accept in life. Hopefully your friend will wake up one day and realize his behavior is risky and not exactly "with morals".

You seem to have a good head on your shoulders... don't lose it!




Re: why are people...people?
Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:45 PM on j-body.org
They are humans...you need no more explanation than that...


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Re: why are people...people?
Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:55 PM on j-body.org
i ask myself that same questions a lot...

realtionships are one of the most difficult things people get into, and the pain they can cause is worse than any physical pain if somebody you have feelings for doesn't feel the same way...so maybe they feel if you don't let your emotions get into it you'll never get hurt...the truth is if you do ever find yourself somebody you love and they love you just as much and you stay togather till death...ur lucky...

oh and ppl will always be stupid and lazy



Re: why are people...people?
Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:34 AM on j-body.org
Good post. Many valid points to it and keep your thoughts my man. You definatly have good things coming your way.

I have been with my fiance for 4 years now. We had sex first only two months into our relationship, because it was the "cool" things to do. Honestly at the time we were both just looking for that because it was cool. Then when we realized that we actually loved eachother for who we were and we advanced with the actual mature part of a relationship, it was love. Keep up with the way you are going an you will find yourself to be much happier than your a-hole friend in a few years. Soon he will be asking you advice on why he cant keep a girlfriend.

I think your right about men seeing women as possetions and sex slaves. But you do need to look back to the begining of human nature. Men needed women to reproduce and women needed men for protection. Neither could survive without the others goods. Being that men were so much more powerful at those times, sex was when the man wanted it. Always, the woman really couldnt do much about it, and happened to like it accordingly because she needed men for protection. As we evolved into a more sexual society things like human nature dont change. You can control some urges but sex drive rates right next to the need for food and water. Its the only drive we have that is that strong yet we could actually physicaly stay alive without it now days. So is your friend a complete @$& for being with so many girls, no not really, because thats how men have developed. Our brains are "programed" to reproduce with any woman that gets us in the mood. Whether it only one woman for life or infinate numbers. I do believe; however, that he definatly has an unhealty inablity to control an important step into true mature manhood. Now the part where he wants to use that other girl. Be the real man in this situation and talk to him about it or just go to that girl and tell her what you heard him say. You obviously care about women so dont let one get hurt like that. My oppinion is if you know that information, your being no more mature about it that he is by not stopping it somehow.

One other point about that is you can now see that many more women are actually becoming the same way as men. They are more often becoming dependant upon sex and you will see fewer monogamous relationships. It is starting to catch up with us men now, we actually seem to have more emotional hurt when our girlfriends begin to cheat on us. Women almost expect men to do it to them now, and we can barely deal with it when they do it to us. Its wierd and somewhat twisted, but its almost good to see that women are almost beating us at our own game now. If you find one thats worth you while, do whatever it takes to make her yours for the right reasons. Show her respect and you will probably get the same in return.

Your second statement: get use to it, its not going to get any better.
Re: why are people...people?
Monday, April 11, 2005 10:29 AM on j-body.org
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One other point about that is you can now see that many more women are actually becoming the same way as men. They are more often becoming dependant upon sex and you will see fewer monogamous relationships. It is starting to catch up with us men now, we actually seem to have more emotional hurt when our girlfriends begin to cheat on us. Women almost expect men to do it to them now, and we can barely deal with it when they do it to us. Its wierd and somewhat twisted, but its almost good to see that women are almost beating us at our own game now. If you find one thats worth you while, do whatever it takes to make her yours for the right reasons. Show her respect and you will probably get the same in return.


I think that guys get emotionally hurt to an extent, but it's usually penis envy or whatever misnomer you want to put on a man's mental inadequacies. Having a woman cheat on her man isn't anything new, and now that there are a lot more people on the face of the earth, it's just happening more often.

If a woman expects you're going to cheat on her, and you do nothing to make her believe that, then my friend, you have a woman with a mental hitch or emotional baggage. A expecting his woman to cheat on him has no less a problem... Trust issues.

Anyhow... It's never "good" to see a woman beating a man at "his own game" with regards to infidelity... both shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

Relationships are about give and take, and are never without work to be done. Invariably someone will @!#$ up and not be able to admit it, and the other person will either try to put one over on the first one because they figure they have it coming or whatever.

I figure honesty, respect and sacrifice to be the trifecta of love. Missing one part isn't love at all.



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Re: why are people...people?
Monday, April 11, 2005 1:44 PM on j-body.org
I find, more and more these days, that people refuse to be accountable for their own actions anymore. Nuff said.




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Re: why are people...people?
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:41 AM on j-body.org
^^^ Werd.



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