I'm pretty sure the priests had on their rosaries when they were molesting all those little kids..is it all that different??

In one sense, yes: The preiests were doing something illegal.


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well i wasn't thinking of it as legal vs. illegal, just them wearing an item with similar significance and committing a sin. becuz in essence, the sexual abuse is worse than pornography since it's illegal.

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Basically what I am saying is that the cross symbolizes life... plain and simple. Included in life is the freedom from eternal damnation (going to heaven). So therefore when a cross is used in a way unrelated to is meaning, wether it be on a porn star or it being burned, it is still an attack against the religions that view the cross as the saving symbol.

Granted the cross is the direct symbol for life and heaven and such, these pornstars are about a hypocrytical as it gets. Doing somthing that is obviously a sin to christian religions, yet saying they support heaven and whatnot.

However, an "good" christian will not get furious about somthing like that. As it is said christians should never hate, they should help and guide. In other words they should try to talk to these people about what they are doing and teach them the ways of the chuch.

I don't think the Porn star is hypocritical at all. Maybe she isn't a believer at all. Maybe she yields the cross for the reason of seeming "innocent" and "fragile". However, even though I think that only believers in the cross and its symbol as the structure Jesus was nailed onto to die for the World's sims should yield it, that doesn't mean that non-believers can display the cross also.

It does upset me to see the cross used in such a degrading situation, but I wont enrage myself over it because what can I do about it? The lady is still sinning, whether she is yielding that cross in the movie, whether she is a believer or not, she is still a sinner. Everyone is a sinner, and can be forgiven. Some of you are just as bad as that porn star when you steal a candy bar from the store as a child, or think lustful thoughts about the secretary in your office. Whether you wear the cross while you are sinning doesn't matter.

Also, there are no "good" or "bad" Christians I think. Either you believe in the practice and apply it to your every day life and consider yourself Christian, or you only go to Church to make it look like you're religious, and then go out and not apply what you learn to your life or reflect upon what Christ did for you, then you couldn't consider yourself a Christian. You are right, Christians cannot hate material things like people, objects, animals, however, they can hate ACTIONS brought forth that they do not like. Jesus loves all of us but hates some of our lifestyles. Which reminds me of a common misconception people believe; that God hates gay people. God does not hate gay people, he hates their lifestyle and the way they choose to carry out their sexual desires.

So all in all, I wont get worked up if a girl decides to wear a cross in a porno flick. She is still sinning and because she is wearing the cross does not mean she is a believer and I cannot do much within my power to make all porn stars in the world stop wearing crosses, I just pray for her to be saved from her sinful..... 'career'.

You missunderstood me a little I think.

A porn star, priest, average joe, or almost anyone in the world knows the significance of the cross to christian religions. If there is a porn star that doesnt know what the cross mean, granted she is obviously and idiot, would not be sinning because of wearing the cross. As stated by christian churches, one can not sin if they dont know it is a sin. Just as one who has never heard of the idea of God will go straight to heaven. They are ignorant to what is a sin and not. But in all honest most, if not all, porn stars know what the cross symbolizes, therefore making that a sin in and of itself.

As for the comment when I said any "Good" christian. I put "Good" in parenthesis because a good christian is almost an oxymoron now days. There really isnt a perfect christian because know one knows what being a christian really is.

I stand by these words to this day, "the only thing we know is that we don't know". Most believe in good or bad but some just ignore it alltogether.

As for the topic question, It is upsetting to a christian when they hear something about this, but most of the time the christian themselves are looking at the porn to see the girl wearing the cross, therefore being hypocritical. When you see a rock star who obviously has no ties to christianity wearing the cross it is felt the same way, whether they are making sex videos or they are singing about unchristian ideas. It isnt upsetting for christians to see it but like I said, as the churches teach, one should not judge and put down a person for doing somthing like that, they should lend a hand in guiding the sinner to God.

it doesnt matter if they practice christianity or not...whether you practice it or not your still living in sin...everybody is a sinner...there sinning like every one of us do every day of our lives and will forgiven just as easily as everyone else

96Z24Colorado (The Other Matt) wrote:there sinning like every one of us do every day of our lives and will forgiven just as easily as everyone else

Yeah, everyone can be forgiven "easily", but only if you are sincere in asking for forgiveness and ask for forgiveness in the first place. You can say sorry all you want, but if you aren't sincere, then there's no point in asking.

Also, Rollinred, I agree with what you say. It is still upsetting if I saw that girl wearing a cross in a porn movie. However, I do want that girl to see the true way to forgiveness and I will not condemn her for being a Porn Star or desecrating the cross in such a way, because I think condemning a non-Christian in order to make them turn to Christ doesn't work. You can't condemn a non-believer and expect them to come to Christ. I think you have to forgive them and respectfully teach them your beliefs, and not force it upon them.

tell me if im wrong here, but im kinda under the impression that if you don't believe in God or Christ you can't really whole-heartedly ask for forgiveness. sure it will make you feel better because you've confessed it, but what are you really saying? "God please forgive my sins I was wrong..." yet at the same time you don't really believe in Him so basically your motives are for selfish ambition and you have no intention of trying to change your ways. if people could just get forgiveness whenever they asked and put no faith in God, then everybody would going to heaven so there's no need to have any form of religion.

im not God so obviously i don't know His exact decisions on determining what is forgiven and what's not. but just throwin up a confession every now and then just to watch your back is a dangerous way to live.

i believe that none of us really know what happens once we die..so at the very least, we should set a good example for our kids....

nuff said..

EastCoastBeast II wrote:i believe that none of us really know what happens once we die..so at the very least, we should set a good example for our kids....

nuff said..

That is true. I believe what will happen after I die is that I will go to judgement in front of God himself. He will outline every sin i've committed and every intention I had while doing it. I will accept his words and confess him into my life and it's his choice what he wants to do with me.


However, do I KNOW FOR A SOLID FACT that's what is going to happen? No.
Do I KNOW IN MY BELIEFS that's what is going to happen? Yes.

What's a good example? Who defines it?


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I believe "setting a good example" pertains to how our actions affect those around us.. ie, selfless motives vs self centered motives....Now, on the flipside...Who's to say what a "good" example is?..well...it ends up being a judgement call.

But along that, once could say that self-centered aspects of personality are what endures survival.

And along another facet, one could say that questioning of authority and questioning authorities motives are a good trait--while others see it as the think that is bringing us to hell in a handbasket.




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Thats a very good question. I used to listen to gangster rap, and them guys where the biggest crosses. They can buy their symbols of faith. I don't where a cross. I where a
"what would Jesus Do" wrist band thats all faded. And every once in a while, I'll wear my "conservative values" wrist band from metrospy.com. which my friend gave me. Back to the question. I believe God knows you(the person) by what's in your heart, not by a cross he/she may be wearing. And for the porn, it is a sin, but i know some guy who responded above said that a person has hit rock bottom when watching porn.
I don't believe that. It's a problem that has to be worked through, not to say I havent been there, because I'd be lyin if I said I havent, but it is a lust of the flesh. A sin is anything that breaks the bonds of a person's relationship with God. Something simple as worrying is a sin. Remember, God looks at all sin's the same. A good nice guy can burn, but a murderer who turns to the Lord can be saved. Because this life isn't based on living by emotions, but by faith.


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But along that, once could say that self-centered aspects of personality are what endures survival.

This is true on the base level although what is best for one is seldom best for all. Mankind has some sort of genetic disposition to both want to be a part of something, and want to have something all their own.. Because of this, we have to determine which is more important..putting ourself first or "taking one for the team".. ie, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." We see throughout nature how some species flourish in groups(bees), and some flourish alone(an owl is a prime example).

On a side note, Although we're technically still on target, we are, in essence, creating a tangent...

So i'll close for the night on this note..

If you follow through with an act that can either benefit just yourself, or benefit mankind as a whole, the "better" of the two choices would be to do what will benefit everyone. If however, you will be able to benefit others by benefiting yourself first, then benefit yourself first, but not at the cost of others, unless your benefiting others at a later date outweighs the cost of others first......ok, it's 3am, i need to be up in 4 hrs to drop off my camaro SS at the body shop....later all..

Consider, ECB, that maybe what's best for "Mankind" is not best in the grand scheme-of-things because perhaps mandkind itself shouldn't be where it's at, or needs a serious purguing.

See, there are some that say order is the best thing for mankind...there are others that think chaos. Who decides? In some cases, you have to focus on the one before you can the many, and in cases, the many don't outweigh the one. Further, sometimes to take a step forward you have to take a step back.

Tangent or none, it's impossible for another human to tell other humans--as a singularity or en masse, that their best intrests are.


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Emor8t (Moderators Rule) wrote:YOU ARE ALLLLLLL WRONG



Christians wouldn't see it in any way because CHRISTIANS DONT LOOK AT PORN G#$ DA#$%&


Mwahahahahaha I love my train of thought.....

Guess again.

I'm a Christian. I and I have no problem with porn whatsoever. Nor do I feel it is a sin. Most people are just taught this and believe it unquestionably. I'm not so sure what makes it a sin besides... "It just is" blah blah blah...





I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

jbody4jc wrote:Thats a very good question. I used to listen to gangster rap, and them guys where the biggest crosses. They can buy their symbols of faith. I don't where a cross. I where a
"what would Jesus Do" wrist band thats all faded. And every once in a while, I'll wear my "conservative values" wrist band from metrospy.com. which my friend gave me. Back to the question. I believe God knows you(the person) by what's in your heart, not by a cross he/she may be wearing. And for the porn, it is a sin, but i know some guy who responded above said that a person has hit rock bottom when watching porn.
I don't believe that. It's a problem that has to be worked through, not to say I havent been there, because I'd be lyin if I said I havent, but it is a lust of the flesh. A sin is anything that breaks the bonds of a person's relationship with God. Something simple as worrying is a sin. Remember, God looks at all sin's the same. A good nice guy can burn, but a murderer who turns to the Lord can be saved. Because this life isn't based on living by emotions, but by faith.

Not correct on a few things here. Worrying is not a sin. Actually temptation itself is not even a sin. You can be tempted by sin, that is the devil trying to pull you in. You can think to yourself that your seriously going to kill somone, then stop yourself and say "no, thats wrong" you havnt sinned at all. There is no sin in temptation.

AnDaZZo wrote:tell me if im wrong here, but im kinda under the impression that if you don't believe in God or Christ you can't really whole-heartedly ask for forgiveness. sure it will make you feel better because you've confessed it, but what are you really saying? "God please forgive my sins I was wrong..." yet at the same time you don't really believe in Him so basically your motives are for selfish ambition and you have no intention of trying to change your ways. if people could just get forgiveness whenever they asked and put no faith in God, then everybody would going to heaven so there's no need to have any form of religion.

im not God so obviously i don't know His exact decisions on determining what is forgiven and what's not. but just throwin up a confession every now and then just to watch your back is a dangerous way to live.

You are very correct in believing this. Actually doing so is a sin in itself. It is a sin to have a false confession, which includes neglecting to confess a sin that you knew you should have confessed, or not really actually being sorry for it, or not truly believing in Gods forgiving nature.

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]Consider, ECB, that maybe what's best for "Mankind" is not best in the grand scheme-of-things because perhaps mandkind itself shouldn't be where it's at, or needs a serious purguing.

See, there are some that say order is the best thing for mankind...there are others that think chaos. Who decides? In some cases, you have to focus on the one before you can the many, and in cases, the many don't outweigh the one. Further, sometimes to take a step forward you have to take a step back.

Tangent or none, it's impossible for another human to tell other humans--as a singularity or en masse, that their best intrests are.

Keeper, chaos has been a proven failure. You may try to dissagree; however, life itself, not just in a christian aspect has proven that simply cant support life. Unless you agree that there should be no life. At the begining of the human race, it was chaos. Until people banded together to survive. That is where the family unit came from, whether you like family or not. If you have friends, you just took a step away from chaos. Living in that way means every man for himself, people kill people because everyone is competition. Same reason anarchy is proven to not work. Because when anarchy starts, an hour later a group bands together and trys to take over, then another group rises up. People are one species of animal that must have others to survive. We dont carry the best natural insticts to survive, let alone our bodies arnt designed for that type of situation. If people want to think chaos or anarchy is "the way" that is fine, but they will never ever see it, if they did, they wont be alive long enough to enjoy it.

Correction RollinRedCavi. You have to remember. God knows all out thoughts too. Worrying can become an action, Mathew 6:26, is good stuff and worrying. But then again you are right on temptation, Satan can tempt us through our thoughts.
BastardKing3000, you can say you are a Christian and have no problem with
pornography, but I'm sure God would have a problem with that. It's common sense enough to see that pornography is not edifying in growing your relations with God, spiritually. Then again, a lot of people are Christian by name, not Christian by walk.
I know many. It's a whole other road.


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BastardKing3000, you can say you are a Christian and have no problem with
pornography, but I'm sure God would have a problem with that.

Well then, I'm not so sure that God really has a problem with it, assuming that it isn't some messed up and wrong (snuff etc) porn. Yeah I've been told how "sinful" it is by many people, but you see, that's the problem - by PEOPLE. People far too often inject their own PERSONAL beliefs and/or politics into their Christian beliefs, and can no longer distinguish between the two, as if they where one and the same. These same people in turn pass on their TAINTED Christian beliefs on to others, who accept the whole as if they where all Christian beliefs to start with -
aka todays modern American version of "Good Christian Morals". God has never laid it on my heart that I'm doing anything wrong when I'm watching it. Now I feel I have a pretty close personal relationship to God, and as such I really don't need to be told what's right/wrong by man, I just feel it, like instinct, but deeper, and I really truly have no desire to do things sinful anymore(I'm even in a position that I could do a lot of risk-free stealing - but don't), for which I once did, not even for a fear of being caught, or fear of retribution on Earth or after. True I don't want to do sin because I feel that is wronging God, but that's not really it to me - I really don't want to do these things - it's become more than obedience, it's become part of my nature - it's who I am. Sure I feel temptation at times just like anyone(not of myself, but we are all tempted by the the fallen angels - servants of the devil), but the very temptation I feel contradicts everything that I feel deep inside of me. I won't lie and say I never sin. If I thought that, I'd only be deluding myself. But if I do sin, it's because of a personal failure of will, not because I don't know I'm sinning.

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It's common sense enough to see that pornography is not edifying in growing your relations with God, spiritually.

The words you typed are technically correct, but the thoughts behind them are a bit flawed. It's common sense that pornography doesn't bring me closer to God, this is true. But it's also common sense that burning leaves in fall does not bring me closer to God. It neither brings me closer to, nor distances me from - God. It's neutral. It is only though faith that we are brought closer too God, and it is by sin that we are further separated from him. Pornography falls in neither of those two categories.

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Then again, a lot of people are Christian by name, not Christian by walk

Believe me you are preaching to the pastor here(figuratively). But do be mindful that a lot of people are Christian by name, but are the bastardized-American version of Christians by walk ,sadly no-one seems to know the difference. Now I know that this was really directed at me, but before you presume to assume as much about me, take to heart Luke 6:37




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

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Keeper, chaos has been a proven failure. You may try to dissagree; however, life itself, not just in a christian aspect has proven that simply cant support life. Unless you agree that there should be no life. At the begining of the human race, it was chaos. Until people banded together to survive. That is where the family unit came from, whether you like family or not. If you have friends, you just took a step away from chaos. Living in that way means every man for himself, people kill people because everyone is competition. Same reason anarchy is proven to not work. Because when anarchy starts, an hour later a group bands together and trys to take over, then another group rises up. People are one species of animal that must have others to survive. We dont carry the best natural insticts to survive, let alone our bodies arnt designed for that type of situation. If people want to think chaos or anarchy is "the way" that is fine, but they will never ever see it, if they did, they wont be alive long enough to enjoy it.

^^^^^

You have to be absolutly @!#$ting me! I can't believe it! Chaos, a failure?

Okay, let's get down to brass tacks now that I've picked myself off the floor. Okay, if chaos is a failure, then i would like you to predick the weather for Langley, BC--and i mean the full weather, the temperatures, the humidity, the prevaling winds at ground level, the barometeric pressure, the could cover, and any precipitation for April 23, May 4, and May 15th. And i mean the EXACT WEATHER--no variance. Further, I want you to be able to look at, say GAM and his GF, and tell me EXACTLY what their firstborn would look like. Also, while you're at it, i'd like for you to draw out the parrners that will be used for 5 slowflakes that will fall in Michigan for this coming winter.

Chaos is most certainly not a falure--it is a freaking propery of nature in and of itself! if there wasn't chaos, life itself--and even order, couldn't exist.

Now, in all fairness, the terms "order" and "chaos" were not the best terms to descrive the concepts i was referring to. I meant more like "social" vs. "solitary". the "part of the greater cause" vs "on your own. Free will makes both of those viable concepts, and in my previous statement, there is no way one human can tell another that the concept in which they live in is incorrect--because both are from limited perspectives.

Now, if you've ever been around my freinds and I, know know that it is not having me one step removed from chaos--considering how much we cause. . Further, what you're equating to chaos is anarch. Chaos is a fundamental principle of nature, anarchy is something vastly different. Chaos is not "every man for himself."

To be honest, looking at your posts, i have to say that someone must have permanently epoxied rose-colored glasses to your face, either that or you're living in perpetual "Brady Bunch" mode. I pity you, really.


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Chaos doesn't exist...It's merely an equation from which we have not set all the variables to constants.... There..let's argue that one...

How can all of the variable be set to constants when there is no constant in chaos?

You'd have better luck finding the last digit of e or of pi.

Besdies, if Chaos didn't exist, there would eb no such things as coincidence, chance, or luck.


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Besdies, if Chaos didn't exist, there would eb no such things as coincidence, chance, or luck.


Correction...there is no such thing as coincidence, chance, or luck....

If you are put in the exact same situation, at the same point in time, in 1000 different dimensions, all the same(every atom in each dimension has the same location/velocity as the others), you will make the same decision in all 1000 dimensions as everything we interact with, is cause and effect...

Chance is an illusion...luck is an illusion...
consider the following...

500 years ago we lacked the tools to accurately predict the weather far into the future..
Now, it's far easier to predict....why? time has taken many of the variables of the weather, and turned them into constants, so to speak....ie, jetstreams, the development of dopler radar, sattelite imagery, etc etc...so the weather is no longer as "random" as we thought it was 500 years ago...

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Keeper, chaos has been a proven failure. You may try to dissagree; however, life itself, not just in a christian aspect has proven that simply cant support life. Unless you agree that there should be no life. At the begining of the human race, it was chaos. Until people banded together to survive. That is where the family unit came from, whether you like family or not. If you have friends, you just took a step away from chaos. Living in that way means every man for himself, people kill people because everyone is competition. Same reason anarchy is proven to not work. Because when anarchy starts, an hour later a group bands together and trys to take over, then another group rises up. People are one species of animal that must have others to survive. We dont carry the best natural insticts to survive, let alone our bodies arnt designed for that type of situation. If people want to think chaos or anarchy is "the way" that is fine, but they will never ever see it, if they did, they wont be alive long enough to enjoy it.

^^^^^

You have to be absolutly @!#$ting me! I can't believe it! Chaos, a failure?

Okay, let's get down to brass tacks now that I've picked myself off the floor. Okay, if chaos is a failure, then i would like you to predick the weather for Langley, BC--and i mean the full weather, the temperatures, the humidity, the prevaling winds at ground level, the barometeric pressure, the could cover, and any precipitation for April 23, May 4, and May 15th. And i mean the EXACT WEATHER--no variance. Further, I want you to be able to look at, say GAM and his GF, and tell me EXACTLY what their firstborn would look like. Also, while you're at it, i'd like for you to draw out the parrners that will be used for 5 slowflakes that will fall in Michigan for this coming winter.

Chaos is most certainly not a falure--it is a freaking propery of nature in and of itself! if there wasn't chaos, life itself--and even order, couldn't exist.

Now, in all fairness, the terms "order" and "chaos" were not the best terms to descrive the concepts i was referring to. I meant more like "social" vs. "solitary". the "part of the greater cause" vs "on your own. Free will makes both of those viable concepts, and in my previous statement, there is no way one human can tell another that the concept in which they live in is incorrect--because both are from limited perspectives.

Now, if you've ever been around my freinds and I, know know that it is not having me one step removed from chaos--considering how much we cause. . Further, what you're equating to chaos is anarch. Chaos is a fundamental principle of nature, anarchy is something vastly different. Chaos is not "every man for himself."

To be honest, looking at your posts, i have to say that someone must have permanently epoxied rose-colored glasses to your face, either that or you're living in perpetual "Brady Bunch" mode. I pity you, really.

Holy @!#$ man, You just wasted your time typing that. Recall:

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]See, there are some that say order is the best thing for mankind...there are others that think chaos.

We are not talking about snowflakes, or weather. You specifically mentioned mankind. When talking about mankind refer to my post. That may straighten things out for you.

Now if you want to change your above post to not say chaos for mankind, rather for nature, I would 100% agree. Mankind can not live with chaos as I mentioned above; however, you are completely correct about chaos being all around us. You can continue to insult me Keeper, it doesnt bother me a bit, I rather agree with you on almost all of the posts I have read of yours, besides political views.

Chaos is the lack of organization when put into the life of man. You with your friends, is not chaos, you may create chaos, but I guarantee that there is some organization which is attempting to stop your chaos. In reality your friends against the common people. You would lose. Your chaos would be stopped somewhere. Organization gives us our quality of life. You have food on demand, a car, education, anything that even gives us our basic needs because of organization.

I know you will probably come back saying that I am wrong somehow, seems that people on here dont like to admit when they are wrong or agree with anything in the slightest.