DooD ( The Real DooD... one) wrote:the whole thread just gets me to think of the saying
If you dont believe in God, Youd better be right
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Dinosaurs are not reptiles.
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Earth was formed, as well as the other terrestrial planets as our sun, a normal star just like every other one out there, was forming. terrestrial planets such as earth are formed in the accretion disk around a forming star, the accretion disk is made up of gas and dust, many types of different elements forming together and getting hotter form planets in the accretion disk. This also explains why, for the most part,all of the planets are within a few degrees of each other as they orbit the sun.All the solid remnants of this process are in an asteroid belt between mars and Jupiter. Jovian planets such as Jupiter and Saturn are formed in the accretion disk as well, but take up the exess gases instead. Plain and simple.
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Yes the earth is very old, but i don't quite understand how you can say we have no knowledge before the old testament. Could you please explain this, admittedly, I don't know much of the Christian stand point. I mean, we know dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, just by the remains we find, but beyond that there is a lot thats purely speculation. Not to mention theres thousands of years of history before jesus even lived. Yes, your right, Jesus did live and jesus did die, im not disputing that. Theres plenty of evidence supporting that. But as far as a God entity goes, there were plenty of other gods before the christian one. Each with no evidence to support it, just faith. Almost every culture believed in something, so why arnt they worshiping the right one? Do you also believe in a Shiva, Zues and Ra?
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Well of course we don't, but as i pointed out, through astronomy we know it takes longer then that. And since no one was around to view it, why did the writers of genesis claim it only took seven days? They weren't around to see it either, so the only other option would be that god had told them this for fact, and God surely would have knowledge of our calender system since he stated particularly 7 days. But god is infoulable, so this is one instance where god and science conflict. Of course they had limited knowledge of astronomy back then, i mean if you believe them you might as well believe in a geocentric universe, because thats all we knew back then.
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Very true, i can't disprove the existence of god any more then you can prove it. all i know is how i feel, and the idea of an all seeing all knowing entity controlling every aspect of every living organisms life..well it just feels ridiculous to me. I don't really see how feeling emotion proves the existence of god, they are two very different things. Humans are capable of feeling emotion through neurotransmitters emitted by your nervous system in your brain. Theres a physiological explanation to most of it, tho admittedly its not an exact science. This is how we can make prescriptions for depression, by playing with the amount of said neurotransmitters. You'd be surprised how much of a chemical imbalance can affect a human being.
Quote:Actually, You're incorrect, Jewish and Pagan/Egyptian Mutli-deist scriptures predate Christian Tomes by roughly 3000 years. The Torrah in it's first incarnation dates back almost 6000 years. Greek and Roman Poly-theism predate Christianity by about 1500 years or so, and Gaellic/Germanic Paganism (as fluid as they were) have ritual altars that predate Christianity by roughly 2000 years.. While it's only been hinted at there are indications that Stonehenge's rocks were covered in symbolic texts, only to have been worn away by erosion (we're only talking Carvings of about 3-4 mm in depth at best.
I meant we didn't have formal written knowledge of history before Old Testament times because nothing was written formally per se. Of course we've found things written on cave walls and stone tablets and things of this nature, but nothing written in a formal matter.
Quote:I think you meant Presence.
Although there are religions that pre-exist chrisrtianity, and it is true that every religion has some kind of belief system. The difference is the earthly presents of Jesus and God through Jesus. The other "gods" you mention were never physical beings, just made up entities represented by stone statues.
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Of course you could say that God is just a made up entity as well. But christianity separates itself because our foundation of our beliefs rest in something that has been to this earth. Something that has physically shown Himself and His power to us. Eventhough we don't really know if the Jesus that we speak of was the Jesus of the Bible, we can rest of sure that if it is, Jesus is by far the piece of the puzzle that seperates christianity for other religions.
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The Old Testaments was written by man with God's influence. Meaning, these were Gods own words written down under His own will, thus theoreticaly making those words infallible and totally true. Actually our calender system wasn't develop until right around the time of Jesus, so we truely don't know if a day in the Old Testament was the same day as it is today.
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Try to think about it like this, science tries to put everything in to a nice orderly pattern, the idea that everything has a process, nothing is random. As such, we can see how nicely put together most things are in this world. We can see the how although our human systems are so complicated, they work consistently with every little part doing exactly what it needs to do everytime. Now, because of this science says that it is very logical to say that we must of come from a common single cell organism, but couldn't the common denominator be that we come from the same creator. If the same creator made everything, you would think that He would make all of it in some simular fasion.
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I used the analogy of emotions and the existence of God in relation to being able to believe in something that we can't see or touch. So, if we can't see or touch or emotions (like love for instances), but we know it's there because we've felt it before.
Quote:Not to split hairs, but we cannot yet understand why people think the way they do, and react the way they do. Again, Science doesn't seek to disprove the existence of God, just to heighten our understanding of the universe around us.
Couldn't the same thing be said about God, in the instance that we can't see or touch Him, but we have felt his will. I agree, the idea of chemical imbalance is a very real and proven idea, but as you stated, it's not an exact science. Again, science can tell us "how" something happens (ie. feeling emotion through neurotransmitters emitted by your nervous system in your brain), but it can't tell us "why" this happens, and to me, that is the key.
Quote:Well, here's the hitch, Medications work or don't work for a lot of reasons, mainly because, no matter how often or indepth you test something, you're not going to be able to tailor make every drug for everyperson. Point of fact: some people cannot take penicillin or it's family of drugs... it's not an inferior solution to infection control, it just doesn't work on some people or some infections. It just means that we need to find another drug, or another avenue of treatment, the same thing happens when considering other medications.
Plus, eventhough we can give depression medication, the very fact that it works for some people and not others, is a example of just how much we really know, or can know, about the same we feel.
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Actually, You're incorrect, Jewish and Pagan/Egyptian Mutli-deist scriptures predate Christian Tomes by roughly 3000 years. The Torrah in it's first incarnation dates back almost 6000 years. Greek and Roman Poly-theism predate Christianity by about 1500 years or so, and Gaellic/Germanic Paganism (as fluid as they were) have ritual altars that predate Christianity by roughly 2000 years.. While it's only been hinted at there are indications that Stonehenge's rocks were covered in symbolic texts, only to have been worn away by erosion (we're only talking Carvings of about 3-4 mm in depth at best.
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Christianity/Messianic Judaism is unique in that it has the deity delivering his child unto the populace which he creates.
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Jesus is written of in the Torrah, and he is merely a prophet, same as in the Qur'ran. He is recognised in all three tomes, but in the Christian Bible, he's THE Central character in the New Testament, where as in the other two, he is a player
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but order them? Try to make a tsunami or earthquake orderly.. not going to happen All we can do is through scientific method and observation, try to learn as much as possible about the lead up to events... as miniscule as an eye-blink, or as massive as a tornado.
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Science is not the pursuit of the abolition of religion, and never (at it's core at least) has been.
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Not to split hairs, but we cannot yet understand why people think the way they do, and react the way they do. Again, Science doesn't seek to disprove the existence of God, just to heighten our understanding of the universe around us.
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You can choose your attitude, and when you realise that, and realise the signs that you're going to lose control of your own thoughts and emotions, you can halt it.
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Sorry, it's been one of those weeks where I'd rather give birth to a flaming porcupine through my urethra than bedoing anything but sleeping.
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I meant "Do you think that [having a written history is a prerequisite to being a "credible" religion?" and why.