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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:37 PM on j-body.org
Eric: Tasers only work properly between 6-10 feet IIRC, and you're right, PCP and other amphetamines already overamp the nervous system and some areas of the brain, so a Taser isn't going to do much, but in that case, the subject isn't likely to be breaking into a house to steal something.

The other thing, is if they turn-tail, you're not protected by any law.. you're the aggressor in that case... should they successfully gun you down, they're protected.

I agree with the Training and licensing (Criminal check and fingerprint submission to state/FBI), as well as a minimum 5 day wait period. I can get a concealed carry (valid in all Interpol countries, and for aircraft) permit, but I don't have to yet, so until it becomes an operational necessity, I'll decline.



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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Saturday, May 21, 2005 4:03 PM on j-body.org
Actually that will depend on where you are at, not to mention just because it is technically illegal doesn't mean the police, or even a jurry will see it that way. I know police have shot suspects in the back when they ran, but were still armed. While it is illegal to shoot an unarmed man, if they keep their weapon and try to run for better cover to return fire, that is not retreating, or turning tail. If i ever shot someone in the back it would be because my life was still threatened by them.

Now if what you mean is they run out of bullets and try to run away and get out my front door somehow without getting shot, then your right if they are running in wide open area and I truly feel they are running for their lives, with no ammo and nowhere to get cover I would not just shoot them in the back.

Also, I guess it wasn't a taser, what do you call the ones you have to walk up to someone to zap them with?
Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:15 PM on j-body.org
That's a stun gun you're referring to. They can have as little charge in them to not slow you down at all (I got it once in the back and all it did was tickle a little) to causing permanent nerve damage. They usually have 2 modes, or 2 sets of probes, one for warn which arcs a low electrical charge across the 2 probes, but it looks pretty fearsome, or there's stun, and depending where you hit the person (neck, small of the back, taint, armpit, back of the knees, inner elbows) and the charge, you'll cause severe damage. Most are pretty cheap but some are actually law-enforcement grade... Those ones were discontinued because training the officers to actually strike a particular area wasn't feasible because its a hand-held weapon. If your Dad was an officer in the 70's and early 80's they were issued in some areas, but soon de-commissioned because they were pretty much for defensive use only.

Tasers use darts on thin-wire leads and usually discharge enough voltage to overload your entire nervous system. Usually it causes all your muscles to contract involuntarily at once, and it feeds the electricity for 10 secs.

There's no Amperage to speak of (it's in micro-amps, you get more out of a shock from dragging your feet on carpet), but it's not pleasant. You don't walk away from that unless you're SERIOUSLY out on PCP or another amphetamine. Usually the only time you'll see a Taser fail is if both darts fail to make contact. I hate to bring it up, but Rodney King was supposed to have been Tasered 2x, but in both cases, both darts failed to connect.

As far as the law is written in Florida, if the other person is in retreat, or leaving your vicinity, you are not covered.

It's like someone said a while ago, if someone tried to car jack them while they were about to get into the car and had a pistol, they'd toss over the keys and pop the guy in the back.. in which case, buddy has just committed murder, as he is not protecting his person (the thieves are leaving), or property (he handed over the keys).



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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, May 27, 2005 7:31 PM on j-body.org
Sounds like something straight out of vice city.


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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, May 27, 2005 9:34 PM on j-body.org
Eric Esler wrote:I think most people would only shoot if the person was armed or coming at them, or if you couldn't tell. Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to any innocent person being victimized to wait until your sure of the attackers intent or if he's unarmed for that matter. I am pretty sure when actually faced with the situation, even the people who said they would shoot probably would not if they knew the attacker was unarmed. As for shooting an armed attacker while they run away, I would myself if they were still armed. Nothing stops them from turning right around and endangering mine or my families lives again unless they drop their weapon while running.


in that situation, i stand by something i was once told to me on anyone who tries to harm me, family, friends or my possession.


"you have the right to remain violent, anything they say or do can and will be used against them to kill"



way i see it, i dont go messing with you... dont come messing with me.


its like i dont go to the sahara and africa and f___ with a lion in his domain, his food, his family and his kids, cause i know he will have the intent to protect his stuff and harm me.... but since i would be the dumbarse steppin on his territory, i deserve what i get...

thats why i stay at home and watch him and his fam on discovery channel. he stays happy, i stay happy and safe.



Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, May 27, 2005 10:30 PM on j-body.org
Umm Event, not to nitpick. but you wouldn't go to the sahara to mess with a Lion.. you'd go to a Savannah.



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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, May 27, 2005 10:35 PM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Umm Event, not to nitpick. but you wouldn't go to the sahara to mess with a Lion.. you'd go to a Savannah.


ehh my bad, i shoulda just said tanzania or kenya.... but oh well, most should get the point i make.



Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, May 27, 2005 10:41 PM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Umm Event, not to nitpick. but you wouldn't go to the sahara to mess with a Lion.. you'd go to a Savannah.


but then again...... i knew i read it somewhere....

http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article?tocId=9275490

Quote:

lion
Student Encyclopedia Article

Page 1 of 5


Male lion (Panthera leo).
R.I.M. Campbell/Bruce Coleman Ltd.

On the plains of Africa, from South Africa to the Sahara, lions continue to thrive. They do their best hunting on the plateaus of eastern Africa and in the vast grasslands of the south. Their roar is the most terrifying voice of the grasslands. Lions live in rocky dens, in thorn-tree thickets, or in tall grasses at the edges of streams.

there are some there... not many, but enough




Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Saturday, May 28, 2005 7:00 AM on j-body.org
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:
NJs Honda Killa wrote:Am I the only person that has a conscience? I wouldn't want to shoot & kill someone cause they are stealing something of mine but I wouldn't mind hurting them a little bit but like someone said before, it's not worth killing someone cause they are stealing my stereo.


i def have a conscience, however, i also have rage, and am not the normal sized person.

rage and me hurting someone would prob lead to near death, if not there, especially if i was pissed off. i;d rather take a shot, and let em not be in my vicinity or be caught by cops, than have me pissed, adrenaline flowing, and fresh from the gym.

like most dangerous things in life, i am tranquil until provoked. after then its your own risk... and catching someone in my house, i prob wouldnt need a bullet to kill, but trespassing into my domain, you put me at risk as well as family and or friends there as well.

if one is man enough to break, enter, steal.... then one is man enough to suffer any consequences from doing so.

common law of life is dont do something if you arent prepared to accept and and all consequences associated with it

thats why i dont sky dive, bungee jump, or wrestle alligators or charm snakes.


lol would love to see it, from a distance. event is a WMD

for those that are hell bent on shooting someone, half of those all aboot shooting someone probably will not be able to effectively pull the trigger anyways, make sure that the weapon you use is either one the perp carried in/on their person or it is legal[b/]. the police will probably run checks on it and like to see it, don't put yourself on an episode of world's dumbest criminals, let the other guy put you there.





Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Sunday, May 29, 2005 5:54 PM on j-body.org
heh... or tape the gun handle and put it in the perp's hand and shoot into the ceiling at an odd angle.

just be sure to use a cheap athletic tape... it won't make much of a difference, but if it obscures the ownership of the weapon a little, you might be in luck.

(BTW, it won't help one damned bit in truth, but what legal owner of a weapon wraps the handle of their weapon in tape?)



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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, June 03, 2005 2:14 AM on j-body.org
since they can bring the 'force' to the street now....

Consider this scenario. A man and woman are walking down the street when a criminal decides to pull a knife on her then snatch her purse and run away. The boyfriend pulls his gun out and gives chase. Catches the guy and tries to get the purse back but the guy fights so the man shoots and kills him. Who is the aggressor in the case? I can't see how it would be self defence because he put himself in the situation when he chased after him.

or scenario 2,

the boyfriend pops the criminal in the back of the head as he runs away. Self-defense or vengeful murder?



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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Friday, June 03, 2005 6:53 AM on j-body.org
#1: if the criminal shot the BF, he's doing so in self defence.

#2: vengeful murder.

In both cases the criminal is in flight or retreat. HOWEVER, trying to get a jury to convict on that is a lost case.




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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Monday, June 06, 2005 10:09 PM on j-body.org
Guess thats why Jeb is such a great christian he is the model off all these religous hypocrites



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Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Wednesday, June 08, 2005 12:48 AM on j-body.org
I have lived in Maryland, where your lucky you still have the right to have a gun. And am currently going to school in Florida, where this new law, which is common sense, has been enacted. My understanding, which is a good one since my dad is a Federal PO, in Maryland there is no self defense law, if you get hit in the mouth, and then you hit them back, your just as guilty as the guy who hit you. Also you can not shoot anyone in self defense until your life has been directly threatened (ex. shot at, shot, stabbed, etc.) This new law in Florida is just common sense, thats it I don't see why it caused such a big thread. You should have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property at all times. You should also have to deal with the consequences of your actions, if you accidentally shoot someone, you should go to jail, simple. I know that the threat off being shot probably discourages 20 times the crime than what is actually committed. Everyone is always going to have their own opinion about this touchy subject, soooo. I have one question though, when is the last time you ever heard of someone paying a friendly house visit at 2 am, dressed in all black. I also think its hilarious that everyone is taking legal advice on a U.S. law from someone from Canada, I guess its almost a state, might as well be.
Re: Florida's New Shoot 'em Up Law
Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:01 AM on j-body.org
^PFFFFT!

I actually researched the law... Everyone else read the story and took their own inferences.

I think it's at least twice as hilarious that someone that was outside the US, and generally anti-gun (okay pro-responsible gun ownership), to bring a bit of clarity to the issue.




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