You fell right into my trap, absolutely I do need it for personal protection. You see I am disabled in a wheelchair. Have been mugged twice before I bought a pistol for personal protection. Last May a man attempted to mug me with a knife and yes I drew my pistol, yes I had time to put it on him, yes he dropped his knife, yes got on the ground, yes I called the cops and yes he was arrested. So my pistol did save me.
Center mass at 20 yards not a problem. Smith and Wesson chambered in .357 groups 2-3" every weekend at 25 yards. My AR 15 groups 3/4" at 50 yards 1" at 100 yards. With collapsible butt stock and a short barrel it is like holding a 9mm at arms length with absolutely no problem swinging around.
HCR Custom Rem 700 Sub 1" groups at 200 yards, 1/2" at 100 and keyholes at 5.
I would sake my life and any of my families life on my shooting skills. We have no local cops where I live and if you call for state police you are looking at a half hour wait.
Background checks are performed before any rifle is sold.
Carry permit you must go to your county courthouse for background check and pictures.
I felt "Bowling for Columbine" was an interesting movie... same with "Fareinheit 911"... but just that.. a MOVIE. I didn't think it was some influential documentary that changed my life. Kinda like Terminator.. I don't live in fear of Arnold machines...
But I wish there were that new T3 chick.... damn hot!
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As far as you saying I don't use an ar for hunting I most certainly do, it is one of the best guns for coyote hunting.
Why are you against law abiding citizens exercising their RIGHT to own firearms?? Not a privilege a RIGHT in our Constitution.
Do you know a weapon that shoots faster than a full auto that both you in Canada and we in the US can own? I do a good ol 12 gauge shotgun with OO buck commonly used for hunting can throw out 18 OO pellets in 3 1/2" version in semi auto with just 3 shells thats 54 pellets, that are larger than the AR15's bullet.
Why don't you ask the criminals why they need to mug people, instead of asking why people need to defend themselves rather than rely on some cop magically appearing like superman to save the day.
ugh
Religion and firearms. Two topics I won't ever read again.
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Slo2pt2 (Projekt Unknown?) wrote:One my SON is ADHD N.O.S and Autistic Spectrum Disorder. I will nto medicate him he will battle throught this himself and learn to control it.
GAM wrote:And you had to fill out papers to own a weapon? I weep for you. Was there a criminal records check(Local/state/nat) with fingerprints? Was there a mandatory safety/inspection/service course required with a minimum passing grade? If there was, there's no mention of it..You've just pointed out that you had to pay an extra $100 max and fill out some forms to own a weapon that is being used by military personnel (with or without conversions). I dare say, 1: you'll never go hunting game with that, and 2: it's not for personal defence... why? I don't think you'll be able to swing that around in time enough to catch a would-be burglar. Other than you think it's cool, what possible use could you have for that weapon? Being cool should not be the yard stick to owning a weapon or munitions that have no practical hunting/personal defence applications.
Again, check your facts before making an argument on them. The fee for a full-auto firearm, the above-mentioned .50, is $200 not $100. And, yes, a full background check with fingerprints is required for every transfer of a NFA (National Firearms Act) firearm. This means full-auto and other such things. You must also submit a picture. A background check is required for all firearms purchases in the US now. BTW, I have no problem with a background check. It is instant now, its waiting periods I have a problem with. Buying the "$45 illegal parts" is not simple. The dealer has to be sure you are legally allowed to own them or risk losing his business. If you don't have a qualified gun, meaning registered full-auto, you cannot LEGALLY own the parts. You say it yourself, illegal parts. If they are illegal to own, what good is another law making them illegal.
As for the not used for hunting comment, refer to first sentence above. Both AR-15s AND .50s are used for hunting. Like PA said, ARs are great for coyotes. I know a guy that goes varmint hunting with a .50. Prairie dogs explode I've been told.
Also, don't tell me yearly, or every 6 months, makes one qualified. I would much rather have an average civilian shooter than an average cop shooting for me.
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Glace:
Uhhhh, name me one school that doesn't have a kid picking on another kid. And when I say school, I mean any educational institution, playschool, kindergarten, elementary, junior/senior high, university, college whatever.
It is YOUR responsability to raise your child not to be an @!#$. Kids will be kids is such a sorry ass excuse. How old were you when you knew right from wrong.... I used to see these " jocks " at school picking on the " smart " kids, because the jocks were such social sheep they needed to follow the one with the bell around its neck. Go to that jocks house and you take a look at his father, what kind of person is he going to be? The exact same as his dumb ass meat headed kid. And i would be willing to bet my left testical that his wife is a scared woman that does his bidding and keeps quiet and stands in the corner until she is needed. Look at all these stupid ass people in this country, peewee hockey game, a players FATHER beat another kids father TO DEATH!!!
Look at the father and son pair that ran onto the baseball field and beat up a freaken umpire!!! WTF! This is our future! this is why people get shot this is why stupid ass kids that run there mouth get shot, RESPECT!!! back in the day when everyone had a damn gun on there hip, i wonder if there was alot of disrespect. HELL NO! cause you would get a damn bullet in your freaken head. there ya go. STFU have respect and raise your children to be respectful and have a freaken brain and compasion for others. YOU RAISE YOUR CHILDREN, YOU INPLEMENT ALL BASE MORALS IN YOUR CHILD, IT IS THE PARENTS FAULT IF THEY GROW UP BEING DISRESPECTFUL PUNKS.
CleveROnE wrote:It is YOUR responsability to raise your child not to be an @!#$. Kids will be kids is such a sorry ass excuse. Blah blah blah
Your argument is one big sweeping generalization, but whatever.
You can't expect everyone to be the best parent in the world or to even be good enough to teach their kids to be good. To think so is completely naive. That being said, even if my kid is the best kid in the world, it wouldn't do anything because someone who is a not so great parent might own a gat or something because it is their "right" and their kid might steal it and decide to shoot up the school.
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Slo2pt2 (Projekt Unknown?) wrote:One my SON is ADHD N.O.S and Autistic Spectrum Disorder. I will nto medicate him he will battle throught this himself and learn to control it.
pacrossbow:
I'll ask you this:
1: how often do you hunt coyotes?
2: Have you thought about how much time it takes to load a pump-action shotgun or automatic shotgun? (BTW, indivdual pellets don't matter)
3: Do you think you'd be alive today if someone mugged you with a pistol to the back of your head, wheelchair or no?
4: Why are there no police in your area? (I'm assuming that you're in a rural area)
Cawpin:
I was offered the $45 kit at a conneticut gun show, I was looking at a car-15, and the dealer offered to sell me the kit along with it. This was in 1998.
I didn't know that there was that much involved in buying that kind of weapon, however, does it not alarm you that the FBI's hit rate to convicted criminals and adjudicated mentally incapable individuals is less than 80%? This is for people with fingerprint cards, photos and papers looking for a Pardon. BTW, those that are pardoned are allowed full priviledges of gun ownership.
Over 20% miss rate... and they use the same AFIS/Records search system. Troubling?
anyhow...
And you're right, Yearly does NOT make one qualified... it makes them certified. Qualification is done monthly. thanks.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
GAM wrote:And you're right, Yearly does NOT make one qualified... it makes them certified. Qualification is done monthly. thanks.
Pick it apart all you want. You know what I mean.
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pacrossbow wrote:You fell right into my trap, absolutely I do need it for personal protection. You see I am disabled in a wheelchair.
Just out of pure curiosity, if you're "disabled in a wheelchair", why are you posting in an automotive forum?
wheelchair bound people can drive, ever hear of hand controls?
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mikec2003 wrote:wheelchair bound people can drive, ever hear of hand controls?
Thank you mike2003. I am aware that wheelchair bound people can drive. And yes, I've heard of hand controls. But in pacrossbow's case, I didn't know that
Momo put hand controls on their
steering wheels.
its possible that the steering wheel wasn't for his car but for one that he is helping to build? and im not sure how hand controls are set up but mabey he is working on a custom modified wheel with controls, but anyways, this isn't the topic of debate, so forget about it
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You'll never taste God's breath
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GAM you have to be kidding me right? I go coyote hunting at least a couple times a month during open season and I shoot them for my neighbor on his farm. I wish I had a weapon like that.
Personaly if someone is going to shot me, I would prefer they do it with a huge gun or an automatic than a hand gun. I would be dead in an instant rather than sitting there and suffering.
I have a right to own a gun and I will own one for protection. I cant yet purchase handguns because of the age restriction; however, the day I can buy one I will. I will be sure to get a permit to carry it with me, and I will probably buy more than one. In fact I plan to have a lot of guns. And honestly I hope that upsets a lot of people. The fact that people are afraid of guns is rediculous. I could search the internet here and find info on how to make a pretty large bomb that would cause massive casualty. And even my fully auto weapon would be able to do half the damage. It is a stupid argument to say people dont have a need to own a gun. Everyone but previously convicted criminals should own a weapon, if not for protection, simply to use your freedom.
Rollinredcavi wrote:Everyone but previously convicted criminals should own a weapon, if not for protection, simply to use your freedom.
Why can't criminals own a gun? It's their right and their freedom to own one right?
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ToBoGgAn wrote:we are gonna take it in the ass and like it, cause thats what america does.
Slo2pt2 (Projekt Unknown?) wrote:One my SON is ADHD N.O.S and Autistic Spectrum Disorder. I will nto medicate him he will battle throught this himself and learn to control it.
Glace wrote:Rollinredcavi wrote:Everyone but previously convicted criminals should own a weapon, if not for protection, simply to use your freedom.
Why can't criminals own a gun? It's their right and their freedom to own one right?
No, it isn't once they are convicted of a felony. Maybe he should have specified convicted felons. That is part of the punishment, along with losing the right to vote, and a fair one most of the time. There are just some things that are a felony that shouldn't be and some that aren't that should be. Anyway, if they get pardoned, as mentioned above by GAM I believe, their rights are restored.
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wow, nice site, i never saw the movie, but i figured it is all screwed up. i guess the problem with his movies is that they are movies, but people see them as documentaries
You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan
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Rollinredcavi wrote:Everyone but previously convicted criminals should own a weapon, if not for protection, simply to use your freedom.
Guns have only one purpose,
TO KILL. Not everyone should own a gun for instance mentally unstable people, revenge seekers and especially idiots who are not mature enough to respect the power of a gun but alas in this great country they can purchase a gun legally although they shouldn't.
Why would ex con's want to obtain a gun legally? Criminals, for the most part, do not. Ex Convicts loose their legal right to own a firearm once they are convicted. Sorry but that is the way it goes.
spikej wrote:Rollinredcavi wrote:Everyone but previously convicted criminals should own a weapon, if not for protection, simply to use your freedom.
Guns have only one purpose, TO KILL. Not everyone should own a gun for instance mentally unstable people, revenge seekers and especially idiots who are not mature enough to respect the power of a gun but alas in this great country they can purchase a gun legally although they shouldn't.
First off, guns were originally developed as weapons, yes, but now there are many more uses than to kill. I guess you haven't seen them used in the Olympics?
Second, mentally unstable people are barred fro owning, or even possessing, firearms. Unfortunetly (sp?), stupidity does not prevent a lot of things. It is my belief that this world would be a much better place if we could just get rid of all the stupid people. HA.
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CAWPIN wrote:First off, guns were originally developed as weapons, yes, but now there are many more uses than to kill. I guess you haven't seen them used in the Olympics?
Second, mentally unstable people are barred fro owning, or even possessing, firearms. Unfortunetly (sp?), stupidity does not prevent a lot of things. It is my belief that this world would be a much better place if we could just get rid of all the stupid people. HA.
I know they have more uses today but still their main purpose is killing. Only the
documented mentally unstable ar barred from owning guns, the undocumented nuts are free to purchase the firearm of their choice. I agree this world would be a hell of a much better place w/o the stupid people but usually they'll accidently shoot someone else instead of themselves.
