Guys, not to nitpick, but you're really starting to annoy the living hell out of me with the lack of printed english mechanics. I can deal with the spelling errors to a point, but really, if you have finished a single point, use a period. When you've finished a thought, hit Return/Enter 2x to clip off a paragraph. White-space is your friend!
Please, re-read what you've written. Now for the funstuff.
Martin: first off, can the caustic remarks, you have no idea what was actually said, let me educate you:
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The thing that is funny is that only 26%of the people that were eligible cast a vote for Bush... that's not a mandate. My ideas on the US electoral system notwithstanding, I find it pretty comical, all in all.
Only 51% (and some aggregate) of americans that were eligible to vote actually did.
As for sucking on my mom's tit back then, I wasn't born in 85, chum. I have a memory and a fairly decent one at that, best I can remember, I haven't breast fed in about 26 years. If you want to insult someone, try with something they say rather than something you suppose so you don't end up chewing your own shoe leather. While you're at it: Read the last parigraph of your response, I know of Down's syndrome children that can form a sentence slightly better. Re-read before you post.
Jackalope:
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gam didnt saddam hide his intire airforce burried in the sand for how many years?
and then we accidently stumbled onto it.
No, he didn't. They were decommissioned as part of the disarmament treaty in 1991. They were left out on runways to be counted by overhead satellites. The USA does the same thing with B-52's and other aircraft that fall under a certain Treaty (IIRC its the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty). "Stumbling" onto the bone-yard is probably because of poor ops information.
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as for wmds didnt you hear the reports on the one shell of nerve gas that contained one liter of serin gas in liquid form.
Yes, I heard it COULD have contained a litre, and that it only had residue. If I'm incorrect, please provide the most current link.
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that one shell with just that one liter could kill the whole population of washington d.c. in about 10 minutes. nukes arent the only wmds. if saddam could hide an intire fleet of planes in that big sandbox how hard would it be to hide .... oh say 100 55gal drums of that stuff.
Thankyou for telling me that which I already know. I work in a forensics laboratory, and I know quite a lot about CBRN (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear) Hazzards, and I know how to handle the materials. Did you know that arial scans from the UN's WMD monitoring agency can pick up the trace elements from the buried Nuclear waste in the mountains in Nevada? Here's something else, ISG (Iraq Survey Group) hasn't just got a couple of chemical dogs and few people with them sniffing down chemical agents... they actually have air sampling equipment so if there were any suspect liquids (remember, you never transfer anything liquid or powdered from one area to another without transfer of some kind) they'd be able to find them. Let alone a fly over from a submarine hunter (I forget the actual name of it, but NIMROD rings a bell) could detect barrels up to 1000 feet under the surface.
You're again assuming that the aircraft were buried with the intent of re-using them. Did you not also read that the wings had been guillotined off quite cleanly? The aircraft were de-commissioned.
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and as for it only being bush dont forget good old clinton went into serbia
to help liberate and save all the civilians and the whole world cheered, bush does the
EXACT same type thing and the whole world boo's.
Umm before you start into "awww, poor dubya" routine, Yugolsavia was a UN operation, and all the members of Sec. Coun. agreed that they had to go there. Also, there was unanimous support for the operations. For Iraq, there was a resolution, but there was no unanimous support in Sec.Coun. or in the general assembly... see, crooked as you want to think most politicians are, most can exercise good judgment in a time where there is a lot of strife. Bush and his handlers aren't among them... They failled to see that by invading the entire area (including states FRIENDLY to the USA) would be de-stabilised.
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its all political if this were a democrat in office the press would love the whole iraq war just like they did in serbia but its an evil republican and the press hates republicans so they show all the bad stuff they can find ( you know that whole free speech thing you love so much )
Oh please. First, I doubt a Democrat or another Republican would have jumped at Iraq when the job in Afghanistan was still unfinished. Second, there are more republicans than you think that thought invading Iraq was a mistake. Third, Free Speech isn't germaine to this discussion... but if it weren't for that little right, the rest would mean nothing because you couldn't say anything when they were taken away.
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lets put this another way shall we. if you heard of all the gang related violence
in california ( not picking on cali only making a point ) reported on the national news
ever night everyone would think cali is a horrible place and if were on the world news every night the whole world would think cali is a horrible place.
Actually, I don't hear about anything in California unless it's really bad. Last I heard from California: The Michael Jackson debacle.
I've been to Los Angeles, thanks, and when there is a place that I, as a white person, just shouldn't go, that screams to me that there is a problem. Again, not germaine to the discussion, but if you're going to throw a fit over the "Liberal" media, understand that in 2003, there was maybe 4% of invasion-related news material and op-eds that dealt with anti-invasion stances.
Seems to me like you're being played for dupes.
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did anybody ask when the troops would be out of europe during ww1? no
did anybody ask when the troops would be out of europe during ww2? no
how about korea? again no. vietnam should have been done better.
HAH!!! Oh boy... thanks for the laugh.
First and foremost: WWI/WWII, the general consensus when the US entered (both over 2 years after it started) was that it'd be over before Christmas. Then it drew into 2, and in WWII it was 3, and 4 Christmases. People wanted to know when the troops were coming home and asking it on a daily basis... because in WWI and WWII there was a draft, so unwilling soldiers were being thrown at the enemy.
Korea, most were hoping they just wouldn't be Nuked into oblivion with Chinese Nukes, or killed because of stand-down and de-commissioning of war materials.
And Vietnam, is a cluster-@!#$. Should have been done better my ass, it should have not happened, there was nothing to gain there except for points for the Truman era docterine of fighting communism where-ever it might spread... Even though, most of Vietnam's people saw the USA as another arm of french-colonial rule, and wanted out of that, even if it meant going to communism.
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hey bet you didnt know this but 2 f8u crusaders were put onto the catapaults on the uss hancock loaded with 4 high yeild nucs each then the stand down came from the white house. the pentagon wanted to end it but your democratic president lindon johnson didnt want to because he and his wife owned the ammo factories.
Hey, bet you didn't know this but if Johnson sanctioned the use of nuclear weapons it would have made the west coast, and most of the north-east coast a very unfriendly place to live for the next 2500 years...
Seriously, that is not appicable to your point.
If you want to know, the entire war was run out of the Whitehouse (not by Generals who might have made it a success for military, if not the actual freedom and justice), and Nixon, who prolonged the pointlessness and idiocy of that war, was in fact at last check a Republican who was ready and willing to pass the buck because he didn't want to be the first president to lose a war (infact, he wasn't.. but that's beside the point).
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nice huh. anyway the point is you can not give an exact date to pull out any one that thinks we can is very , very , nieve.
No it's not naïve, it's called fore-thought. You do not plan to fail, you fail to plan.
Saint (on this board) had talked about an invasion plan that had been done-up under Clinton I believe, and it actually mapped out an invasion, political stabilisation, securing and training of a loyal military and police force. It was mapped out step-by-step, and ultimately forgotten about when Dubya got into office because what do Liberals know about waging war? Seems he's been bitten in the ass because it's pretty much being followed now, only after the repercussions of the stream of @!#$-ups that led to the invasion.
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and the rest of the world , HA what a joke!
You have right there in 9 words summarised why you have no idea what you're talking about.
By your line of thinking, and please, feel free to elaborate:
- The 1 MILLION people killed in 35 years in Sierra Leone are worth less than the 280,000 killed in Iraq?
- The fact that Cote D'Ivoire has been in a civil war state for the last 10 years means that their political strife is worth less attention than Iraq's only because it has no Oil industry?
- The job in Afghanistan where there was already a job half done and where the ultimate culprit for the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks actually was, was worth pulling up stakes and running from (no, not everyone, but not enough to Secure the country) in order to secure a country that had no tangible links to 9/11/01 other than a bit of bluster?
Please, enlighten me.
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just like this stupid benifit for africa. why dont these hipocritical stars donate there own money instead of bitching about how horrible bush is. give me a break if they were so worried theyd give all there money to africa but they dont care at all it just makes them look good which sells more of there albums making them richer.
They don't make policy for a country.
U2's members routinely donate not just money but time and work to aid organisations (ie. OXFAM in the case of U2), Neil Young dumps at least 20% of his per album sales into UNICEF.
My advice is to get into the mindset that it's not an anti-bush crusade, it's for the benefit of all the G8, the point is that the US, Canada, Germany, Japan, Britain, France, Russia and Italy all contribute less than 1% of their GDP to foriegn aid programmes (in either a unilateral (ie, country to country cash infusion/interest relief)or multilateral scheme(ie, giving to a regional development bank/World Bank)). The target is 0.7% by 2008. The US currently gives 0.04% of net GDP (if you want to see the worse figure, look at the % of gross GDP figure, 0.021
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Instead of griping, <a href="http://live8.technorati.com/about/live8.html">Educate yourself</a>.
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the rest of the world can all go straight to hell eveytime they have a problem they come begging for our help, we give it they say thanks now get out.
You want to ensure more viscious terrorist attacks? ^^^ That's the way to do it.
You have no choice. You either give aid and help placate a people that have really nothing to lose or you deal with their anger and possibly radicalised vengeance.
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just look at what happened after that big wave hit "oh please help us u.s." we help and then "get out" next time the president should say f--k them let them help thmselves.
And what happens when a super-tsunami swamps Hawaii, and most of the west coast? You'll get about a 4 hour warning... hope you could evacuate California in that time...
Also, when 9/11/01happened, you think that any aircraft in the USA wasn't immediately put down? Do you have an inkling of what happened to inbound flights? 80% were directed up here, that's right, to Canada. My folks brought in 2 families that were on their way back from holidays in Europe. I guess that without some help they'd had to drop into the sea waiting to be cleared, or they'd have gotten shot down. How quaint.
Help flows in both directions chum. You actually reap back 10 times the money that is put out with the returns on low/no interest development funds... too bad Regan didn't see that when he and the rest of the cronies pushed the World bank to convert those development loans back into interest return loans. What I'm driving at is the world anti-USA sentiment is not irrational, it's not unfounded, and it's also not impossible to reverse, but an attitude like the one you're copping is going to make sure it continues for a long time.
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dont remember the world offering to help florida no bennifit concerts nothing. so who cares what the world thinks. "f" em all we'll leave iraq when were damn good and ready. and if you dont like it what are you gonna do about it? its good to live in a county
that has the biggest guns.
Actually, if you don't remember, the US never asked for help.
During the 9/11/01 clean up, I know of at least 300 high-steel workers (from an indian reserve in Quebec) that went there to help with the clean up. They didn't HAVE to be asked, they just went.
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gam dude you sure know how to stir it up. but i do have to give it to you your a very intelligent person. its nice to see someone that actualy thinks about what hes gonna say.
I'd do the same for anyone. Conversation is nothing without thought.
You're pretty decent yourself. Once you get the hang of it, you'll be able to ferret out proof of your assertions and maybe even find a counter for my ideals
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
