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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:41 AM on j-body.org
Wow, this thread is scary.

The irony of people wanting to take away freedoms to handle the very symbol of American freedom itself as they see fit.

Wow...WOW!


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:42 AM on j-body.org
AGuSTiN wrote:Wow, this thread is scary.

The irony of people wanting to take away freedoms to handle the very symbol of American freedom itself as they see fit.

Wow...WOW!


bahaha. i agree.




Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:51 AM on j-body.org
sinrocker wrote:if you dont like the country enugh to burn the flag while you liive here you also have the right to move out to canada......


Yet another person in this thread that doesn't understand what American is about.... great


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:54 AM on j-body.org
Borsty wrote:

yes burning the symbol to our country makes you a patriot are you insane?



You need to exit this thread immediately, go down to your local library and get some books.

Start with Martin Luther King Jr, then go to Women's Suffrage, Caesar Chavez, Boston Tea Party, Tiananmen Square, Vietnam, apartheid...




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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:03 AM on j-body.org
cannon fodder wrote:^^^ that's a replica of a flag. that is to a real flag what a hotwheels is to a ferrari. it's not considered an actual flag. hell, if that were a real flag, the makers should be thrown in jail for putting staples through it.

burning a flag is not (imo) considered "speech". speech is spoken or written WORDS. note the key word there is "words". if someone wants to protest the government and the USA, they have every right to say or print whatever they feel like. burning a flag is just plain ignorant. it should NOT be covered under the freedom of speech laws because as i said earlier it is not speech. there is plenty of other ways to get your point across without burning a flag. that (again, imo) is going way over the top, and should earn the person prison time.


The Supreme Court clarified what "speech" was a long time ago. Thanks for trying to reclarify it, but your opinion is irrelevant.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:10 AM on j-body.org
CrAzY )v(iDgEt wrote:
I am with you there!!! People are stretching out the 1st amendment to suite there needs, well my need is to take care of any disrespecting S.O.B.'s by stretching the


Actually, over time people have SHRUNK the original meaning of the First Amendment to suit their needs.



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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:23 AM on j-body.org
GAM: Hey, don't be foolin' with Apollo Creed's boxing shorts!!!

Borsty wrote:banning burning a flag isnt goin to turn us into a dictatorship, holy @!#$ dude, clam the hell down.


No, burning the flag it'sself won't, but who's to say that Congress won't use that as a precedent to take away other freedoms??? Before you know it, denouncing the government could hold you liable and subject to charges of treason. Hey, it has to start somewhere, right???

And BTW, YOU seem to be the one with your panties in a twist over this. I suggest you sit down and think things out before you go around spouting that everyone who burns a flag in protest be shot.




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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:24 AM on j-body.org
^^^i agree on the last one.

The worst thing i hear is "There ought to be limits to freedom". Whatever. Maybe those that think there ought to be limits to freedom will go back to englind or whatever oppresive country their forefathers came from and stop screwing it up for people that actually *value* it and are willing to go toe-to-toe with the government to keep it.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:38 AM on j-body.org
I dont think that people should be allowed to burn the flag over trivial concerns. I see alot of flag burning in protest of a war that they dont believe in. Whether the burners dont believe in it or not is irrelevant. Those people are over there fighting and DYING to protect the very freedom that they relish in everyday. The FREEDOM that gives them the right to do that. Not only are those freedoms being protected for us but also for those under anothers rule. Who are we to stand Idly by while there is something that WE can do about it. The flag was put in its place and held in glory for our fallen americans who DIED to make sure that we could enjoy this freedom. By burning the flag they are disrespecting the country that they hold so dear and the dead Americans who gave them the right to do that.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:46 AM on j-body.org
Jbody2nr wrote:The FREEDOM that gives them the right to do that. Not only are those freedoms being protected for us but also for those under anothers rule. Who are we to stand Idly by while there is something that WE can do about it. The flag was put in its place and held in glory for our fallen americans who DIED to make sure that we could enjoy this freedom. By burning the flag they are disrespecting the country that they hold so dear and the dead Americans who gave them the right to do that.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:48 AM on j-body.org



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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 9:53 AM on j-body.org
AGuSTiN wrote:
cannon fodder wrote:^^^ that's a replica of a flag. that is to a real flag what a hotwheels is to a ferrari. it's not considered an actual flag. hell, if that were a real flag, the makers should be thrown in jail for putting staples through it.

burning a flag is not (imo) considered "speech". speech is spoken or written WORDS. note the key word there is "words". if someone wants to protest the government and the USA, they have every right to say or print whatever they feel like. burning a flag is just plain ignorant. it should NOT be covered under the freedom of speech laws because as i said earlier it is not speech. there is plenty of other ways to get your point across without burning a flag. that (again, imo) is going way over the top, and should earn the person prison time.


The Supreme Court clarified what "speech" was a long time ago. Thanks for trying to reclarify it, but your opinion is irrelevant.


His opinion is just as influencial on a debate like this as yours is. If his is irrelevent then so is yours.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:01 AM on j-body.org
Jbody2nr wrote:
AGuSTiN wrote:
cannon fodder wrote:^^^ that's a replica of a flag. that is to a real flag what a hotwheels is to a ferrari. it's not considered an actual flag. hell, if that were a real flag, the makers should be thrown in jail for putting staples through it.

burning a flag is not (imo) considered "speech". speech is spoken or written WORDS. note the key word there is "words". if someone wants to protest the government and the USA, they have every right to say or print whatever they feel like. burning a flag is just plain ignorant. it should NOT be covered under the freedom of speech laws because as i said earlier it is not speech. there is plenty of other ways to get your point across without burning a flag. that (again, imo) is going way over the top, and should earn the person prison time.


The Supreme Court clarified what "speech" was a long time ago. Thanks for trying to reclarify it, but your opinion is irrelevant.


His opinion is just as influencial on a debate like this as yours is. If his is irrelevent then so is yours.


You didn't understand what I was conveying.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:16 AM on j-body.org
^^enlighten me then.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:39 AM on j-body.org
Jbody2nr wrote:^^enlighten me then.


He's trying to argue that actions aren't speech, when that has long ago been established, accepted and practiced. After all, he's in a thread where nothing short of a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT is needed to stop the ACTION of burning a flag.

You're welcome.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:41 AM on j-body.org
Jbody2nr wrote:I dont think that people should be allowed to burn the flag over trivial concerns. I see alot of flag burning in protest of a war that they dont believe in. Whether the burners dont believe in it or not is irrelevant. Those people are over there fighting and DYING to protect the very freedom that they relish in everyday. The FREEDOM that gives them the right to do that. Not only are those freedoms being protected for us but also for those under anothers rule. Who are we to stand Idly by while there is something that WE can do about it. The flag was put in its place and held in glory for our fallen americans who DIED to make sure that we could enjoy this freedom. By burning the flag they are disrespecting the country that they hold so dear and the dead Americans who gave them the right to do that.


What? Did you really just make a speech about freedom, the lives that protect it and then make a case for rolling back some freedom on the support of said speech?

You sir, have no idea what freedom is.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:14 PM on j-body.org
You didnt understand what I was conveying. I know more than you have any idea about what freedom is.

What I was saying was that I dont THINK they SHOULD burn the flag, im NOT trying to say that they CANT. Because the very freedom and rights that American soldiers protect allow them to do so. That is there right, they are just disrespectful by doing so. I am in NO way saying they cant, let me repeat, I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THEY CANT, they just shouldnt.

You sir, jump to conclusions.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:29 PM on j-body.org
Borsty wrote:
spikej wrote:
Quote:

Oh and the french has never helped us with anything, thats why I hate the french, you dont here a word from them unless they need help. Okay, Im out, gonna try not to post on this again but I probably will.

If it weren't for the French picking another fight with England back in the early 1800's there probably would be no America as we know it today. They also gave us the Statue of Liberty.



to be fair, the french came in pretty late, and only came to piss of england.

but yes you are probably right spike.


To be fair, the British Surrendered to the French during your war of independance, and the British ended hostilities with the American colonists. It's a small fact that often gets glossed over in myth america... Don't forget also that the American colonial armies attempted 5-6 times to overtake British North America (ie Canada) and were beaten back each time... You have a white house because the building was burnt during one of the repelled incursions. The French didn't help at all there, but then again, you don't typically learn much about the war of 1812, either.

Borsty:
I posted the US flag code, there's nothing in there that defines what makes the flag, and that it must of whatever dimensions. Find me where in the law it says what dimensions and material a flag must be made of. I've already searched several times, and if you can find the statute, I want to see it.

Closest you'll find is a hoist/fly proportion ruling, and the flagpole/Flag size chart. There is nothing mentioned about fabrics.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/more/10834.htm (see Part II for official agencies' sizes, and note that there is an adjustment clause, again, no mention of fabric)



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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:36 PM on j-body.org
Jbody2nr wrote:You didnt understand what I was conveying. I know more than you have any idea about what freedom is.

What I was saying was that I dont THINK they SHOULD burn the flag, im NOT trying to say that they CANT. Because the very freedom and rights that American soldiers protect allow them to do so. That is there right, they are just disrespectful by doing so. I am in NO way saying they cant, let me repeat, I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THEY CANT, they just shouldnt.

You sir, jump to conclusions.


If that is your stance, that is an OK stance with me. But this sentence, "Who are we to stand Idly by while there is something that WE can do about it." made me think we should do something about flag burning.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:24 PM on j-body.org
No i was actually talking about protecting and liberating those who cant do so themselves. But I see your point, I made it fuzzy my bad.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:30 PM on j-body.org
it sickens me u people actually support being able to burn a flag.



im done with this agrument, you can all exist in a hippy world where were free to do anything and everything, but when someone pisses you off by doing something their free to do, dont start crying about it.


and agustin: exit this thread? @!#$ u im entitled to my own opinion.


-Borsty

Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:41 PM on j-body.org
Borsty:
of all the freedoms you have, you do NOT have the freedom to never be offended.



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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:18 PM on j-body.org
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Those people are over there fighting and DYING to protect the very freedom that they relish in everyday


Again, I ask, What conflict are we now in that is for the purpose of defending OUR freedoms??? If anything, our freedoms have been eroded since 9/11 with the Patriot Act and other banter being thrown about virtually unchecked.




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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 3:24 PM on j-body.org
^^^We brought down Saddams regime which in itself is a threat to our freedoms and our rights. Now we have the responsiblity to take care of those we liberated. Just because something isnt beneficial to us doesnt mean we shouldnt do it. America stands for freedom and for the freedom of others. If we who have the power to do so, do nothing, that right there says that we cannot even protect ours. I still see no erosion since 9/11 its been almost four years and people can still burn flags without fear.


Its not always about us.


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Re: Burning the American flag, yes or no???
Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:19 PM on j-body.org
A free United States is a hoax. We are not free here, it's just less restrictive government compared to other countries. Burning the American flag is a sign of disrespect to whom? It doesn't bother me one bit. People overseas that do it usually have a reason for doing it that our government was responsible for.
I don't think that putting laws in place to prevent flag burning will do any more good than the patriot act has. Laws are made to protect the people. How is preventing flag burning protecting the people? Just keeps other extremist from getting pissed, that's all I see.
As far as Iraq goes...take care of Americans first. These billions of dolars we are spending over there could've been used to fund the education of our youth. It should've been used to help create jobs for Americans and to help keep American companies from having to go overseas from the lack of govermental support over here. It's not always cheap labnor they are looking for you know.
Iraq was a sham and a mistake. Anyone can see that who is not blind or deaf. You cannot fight a war against an insurgency...didn't they learn that from Vietnam?


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