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Burning the flag does what in protest again? Probably just incites the troops...i think the politicians could care less.
Burning Bush in Effigy would be better, but i think that constitutes treason, but would be a much more practical demonstration. Really, when it comes down to it, when you protest you have to hit the descsison makers where it hurts.
Still, it sickens me that people here would want to limit free speech because a thing can be "disrespectful". The whole reason we have it is because our forefathers did not want things to be as bad as it was in England at the time. It is there to protect the "unpopular" views and not make us a fascist regime--which is what the military has fought for. To those of you that think that way--that there should be limits to freedom to "ensure the security of the American people", i have one thing to say to you all...
JAWOL MEIN FÜRER!
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Burning the flag does what in protest again? Probably just incites the troops...i think the politicians could care less.
I think when people do it, if it was just a general disgust with American government it would be "proper". (best word I could come up with) I do however agree that ensuring that if you're protestin someONE, then aim it at them. Burning a flag does nothign. On the flip side, if they feel that's what they wanna do then they should be able to torch them all they wanna.
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my opinion on this is simple.. me being military and born and raised here in the states.. heres my moto.. you burn my flag, i'll kick your ass!
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what if they burn their flag and just happens to be the USA flag?
If you "kick their ass" would you be adverse to undertaking the consquences when they assert their right to have you charged for an unprovoked attack?
Physical attacks mean little because, frankly, that's exactly what they WANT you to do. The difference between sage and rage is not letting yourself get goaded into doing something futile and foolish.
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BURN DA FLAG DOWN !!!
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Jbody2nr wrote:SHOOT'EM ALL!!!!!!!!
OK, then, let's follow your "logic" and strip it down to the bare elements, shall we???
First, you see a picture of someone burning the US flag. It may be a US citizen, or someone from another country, that point is irrelevent.
Given the scenery shown, and the crowd gathered around, it's probably safe to say that they are burning the flag in protest.
Seeing as they are burning the US flag, it automatically correlates that they are protesting the United States. Wether it is Bush, Congress, a US citizen, or US foreign policy is irrelevent. The point is, there is some faction of something related to the United States that they are dissatisfied with. That is a belief that they hold so strongly that they feel they should protest about it.
You proceed to comment,
Jbody2nr wrote:SHOOT'EM ALL!!!!!!!!
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By stating that, you are implying that you wish for them to be shot, probably with a gun.
Shooting any living being with a gun will almost certainly result in injury or death.
That automatically correlates that you wish to cause injury or death to the protestors burning the US flag.
Now let's put 2 and 2 together. In essence, you wish to cause injury or death to others for stating their beliefs. Which is init'sself un-American, and goes against everything that flag you hold dear stands for. If you feel that others should be injured or killed for stating their beliefs, maybe you'd feel better living in 1930's era Nazi Germany. Or Cold War era Russia perhaps??? Maybe you would have wanted to be one of the Chinese soldiers taking aim at people at Tiannamen Square??? Better yet, just hop into a plane and head towards Pearl Harbor, shoot a couple of boats and people while you're there, why don't 'ya???
My point is, I understand your opinion, but it is nothing else if not hypocritical. You believe that you are defending your country by protecting it's flag, but in reality, what you are doing is acting against that flag's values, which supposedly you follow.
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burn the canadian flag!!! its all there fault anyway!!!!
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ha you'll never find me gam!
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Okay I'm not a Mountie.. I got the CIA to find the only hollow with antler scrapings in the world
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what did you mount? and where did the antlers come from? your not mounting
deer or elk or some other furry woodland critters are you gam?
what are they teaching you up there???
mounting furry woodland critters is wrong gamyou could catch something.
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I'll leave it to Rodimus to mount small woodland creatures.
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ha! see gam you cant catch me! anyway i think the best way to burn the flag is to first
also get a canadian flag sautee them for about 20 - 25 minutes on a medium flame
season to tatse and enjoy.
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The flag is a peice of fabric, it does not hold our freedoms inside it's stitches. If burning the flag is a bad thing, then would burning any red white or blue fabric with the potential of becoming the flag a bad thing?
Roofy wrote:Jbody2nr wrote:SHOOT'EM ALL!!!!!!!!
OK, then, let's follow your "logic" and strip it down to the bare elements, shall we???
First, you see a picture of someone burning the US flag. It may be a US citizen, or someone from another country, that point is irrelevent.
Given the scenery shown, and the crowd gathered around, it's probably safe to say that they are burning the flag in protest.
Seeing as they are burning the US flag, it automatically correlates that they are protesting the United States. Wether it is Bush, Congress, a US citizen, or US foreign policy is irrelevent. The point is, there is some faction of something related to the United States that they are dissatisfied with. That is a belief that they hold so strongly that they feel they should protest about it.
You proceed to comment, Jbody2nr wrote:SHOOT'EM ALL!!!!!!!!
.
By stating that, you are implying that you wish for them to be shot, probably with a gun.
Shooting any living being with a gun will almost certainly result in injury or death.
That automatically correlates that you wish to cause injury or death to the protestors burning the US flag.
Now let's put 2 and 2 together. In essence, you wish to cause injury or death to others for stating their beliefs. Which is init'sself un-American, and goes against everything that flag you hold dear stands for. If you feel that others should be injured or killed for stating their beliefs, maybe you'd feel better living in 1930's era Nazi Germany. Or Cold War era Russia perhaps??? Maybe you would have wanted to be one of the Chinese soldiers taking aim at people at Tiannamen Square??? Better yet, just hop into a plane and head towards Pearl Harbor, shoot a couple of boats and people while you're there, why don't 'ya???.
OK I know it been a long time but I finally saw this. Anyone who has read my other post would tell you that my statement
Jbody2nr wrote:SHOOT'EM ALL!!!!!!!!
is complete and total sarcasm.
Roofy wrote:My point is, I understand your opinion, but it is nothing else if not hypocritical. You believe that you are defending your country by protecting it's flag, but in reality, what you are doing is acting against that flag's values, which supposedly you follow
Now allow me to continue by stating my TRUE opinion on this matter.
I will keep this short and sweet:
FOR THE BAZILLIONTH TIME I NEVER SAID THEY COULDNT BURN THE DAM FLAG. I JUST SAID THAT IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO OUR MILITARY WHO DIES TO GIVE THEM THEIR RIGHT TO DO THAT!!!!!
That is all
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
I understand that people get pissed with politicians, but to me burning the flag is burning EVERYTHING America stands for. The statement it makes is too broad. If you are against EVERYTHING America stands for,that includes freedom of speech, you don't deserve the right to free speech(since your against it anyway).
It's only a symbol.
Burn a cross,
Burn a $100 dollar bill,
Burn a copy of the declaration of independance,
Burn a copy of the emancipation proclaimation...
they're all symbolic...
The freedoms that they represent mean nothing if the act of burning them (or whatever) is not guarenteed as well.
The price of freedom sometimes is what it brings. I'd rather have that right than not.
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GAM, burn whatever you want, just not a $100 bill.
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lol...
only if I strike it rich and I need paper to light a cee-gar.
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:It's only a symbol.
Burn a cross,
Burn a $100 dollar bill,
Burn a copy of the declaration of independance,
Burn a copy of the emancipation proclaimation...
they're all symbolic...
The freedoms that they represent mean nothing if the act of burning them (or whatever) is not guarenteed as well.
The price of freedom sometimes is what it brings. I'd rather have that right than not.
i agree....
if you live in america and preach to other countries that you are soooooo FREE... but then one cant even make a statement by burning a flag or something... you;ve officially became a hypocrit country.
last i checked, the songs, constitution, etc didnt say
"land of the free.....only if it goes along with the way we want thing and stuff that doesnt make us mad....and the home of the brave"
not that i would burn a flag... more than likely, i would have to pay for it, and right now there is no need really to protest that hard.
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If you are against EVERYTHING America stands for,that includes freedom of speech, you don't deserve the right to free speech(since your against it anyway).
thats kinda an oxymoron....
reason, the person burning the flag could be protesting us still being in Iraq, however BE ALL FOR FREE SPEECH ANNNNND is exercising in in doing the action.
basically if one thinks they dont deserve the right to free speech, then free speech would be a bunch of BS...
according to the way you put it...
"you can only have free speech, if you express yourself the way
WE feel you should express yourself"
which really is no different than when saddam hussein was in power. they could only vote when he felt he needed to be voted for....
^^^I think what he is trying to say that if you are ANTI-american then you dont deserve to rights of Americans, if your living here.
But then again that has nothing to do with burning a flag.
I think the flag should only be burnt in protest with a legitmate gripe. Shall we say taxation without Representation. NOT for say in protest of a war that is going on to help people. At a time like that your supposed to be supporting our troops and help give them encouragement. Them seeing people burn the flag will only piss off about 99.9% of them.
They can burn the flag but IMO it is immoral. hypocritical, and disrespectful.
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Madjack wrote:Like I said before, building an engine like ours (2.2 or 2200) is a painstaking chore , since there is so few custom made parts. It's frustrating to me too, but that's what I like about doing this engine, it's the challenge.
The funny thing is, the politicians are the most anti-american there is and yet, they have the most rights.
B.S. if you ask me, after all, they support the reducing of our liberties for the illusion of security.
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