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Just a twist on the issue and that is a gallon of milk averages 3.50-4.00 dollars a gallon.Now granted it will not run your ride but,in comparison what we are paying for fuel is a great buy for the gallon.

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i don't know about the U.S but in ontario milk is $2.29 for a 1 liter carton. gas today was $1.03 a liter works out to about $4.00 a gallon.

gas is cheaper then milk here, which is a pretty sad state.

I pay about 3.80 (CDN) a gallon. I hear a lot of whining aboot nothing.

And we EXPORT oil.

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welcome to canada, nothing here makes sense

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Are you getting ripped off by Hot Gas
April 9, 2007 — Consumers are feeling the pain at the pump, as gas prices have risen for nine straight weeks. Now lawsuits around the country claim drivers are being ripped off in a gas gouge they can't even see.

There are at least nine lawsuits pending that claim some gas stations are padding their profits by selling warm gasoline.

That might sound strange, but think back to high school physics. Liquids expand as they get warmer, so if the gasoline at the pump is overheated, you don't get as much in your tank.

Mark Rushing is a long-distance trucker. When he fuels up, every penny counts.

"Fifty-eight gallons of gas cost me $168 dollars," Rushing said.

But he says he often overpays because gas stations don't follow the fuel industry's own standard that gas should be sold at 60 degrees Fahrenheit.

When the temperature outside gets above 60, gasoline at the pump expands, and you get less of it.

Physics professor Michio Kaku demonstrated the concept by heating water in a bottle. As it heated up, it expanded and overflowed. In other words, it took less water to fill the same size container.

"Remember that gasoline expands roughly three times faster than water," Kaku said. "So magnify this effect inside your gas tank."

You pay the same, but you're getting less energy for your car. That's why Rushing and other drivers are suing. They say they're being ripped off because pumps don't account for outdoor temperature changes.

Disagreement Over How Much Fuel Is Lost

It's something most people never even think about.

"I just never thought about it. I put gas in my car and go," said Linda Morton.

An investigation by the Kansas City Star newspaper found that American drivers may overpay $2.3 billion a year, with drivers in warm states like California hit the hardest.

An independent fuel marketers and retailers group argues if any gasoline is lost, the amount is tiny.

"We do not see the information they have gathered as being credible," Jay McKeeman said. "Basically it's about a tablespoon in 12 gallons of gasoline."

But consumer advocates point to chilly Canada, where the pumps are controlled for outside temperature. The industry went along with it there, and cynics say that's because fuel "shrinks" when it's cold, which benefits consumers.

"They fixed it in Canada because they [the industry] were losing money," said trucker Mark Rushing. "How come they won't fix it here?"

There are no laws requiring gas stations in the United States to adjust for hot fuel, so they are not doing anything illegal.

But if you want to avoid "losing" fuel in your tank, fill up overnight or early in the morning before it gets hot.

Or fill up if it's below 60 degrees — you may actually get a little extra fuel for your money.

We don't heat our tanks (to my knowledge anyhow), but the pumps state pretty unequivocally that the gas volume is corrected to 15 deg. Celsius.




Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

Because the tanks are underground, the temperature fluctuations are far smaller than the differences in air temperature.

We should start monitoring the temperature of the gasoline as it pumps out. I have always noticed the nozzle feels cool in the summer.

PAX




PS: This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated
- Mitch Hedberg (RIP)

its exactly why they are in the ground
well that and safety reasons

It is monitored, Hahahaha.

The corrected volume takes into account the air temp and tank ambient temp.



Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

Great!

So, problem solved.. Here at least. I thought the corrected volume meant that you get the correct amount on 15DegC days

PAX




PS: This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated
- Mitch Hedberg (RIP)

3 words... Windfall Profits Tax

gas here in nova scotia is nuts, it just went up to $1.25/L overnight, which is $5 canadian per gallon approximately. You guys have it easy down there.

Close to having it better, but not really, gas in my area has gone up 0.64 / gallon over the last 2 weeks to $3.549/gal

~= 3.9287 Canadian / gallon



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Rodimus Prime wrote:Oil prices will be close to 80 a barrel by the end of this year, thats the road we're on, think im crazy, your the one thats too narrow to see whats already happening, the age of cheap gas is long over and its only uphill from here till it becomes too expensive to use we might have 5 more years of affordable gas left at best

you were right, we had 3 years

lol..I read the first post and was likw wow..what I would do for that..

TOLD YA SO!



1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85

.23 cents in Kuwait.........

oil "shortage" lol

Chris


"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

Rodimus Prime wrote:TOLD YA SO!

Told what exactly? That people were crying about gas prices in 2005 as much as they are now? Wow, you are an observant one.

People have been complaining about the price of gas since the 70's.

Why is this news to you know?







**there is only one true love in my life... and my girlfriend has learned to live with it**

This thread is very interesting. We are complaining about 4.50 per gallon gas now. In three more years do you think we will be complaining about 6.50 per gallon gas?



FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!

Wade Jarvis wrote:This thread is very interesting. We are complaining about 4.50 per gallon gas now. In three more years do you think we will be complaining about 6.50 per gallon gas?

Of course.

People crying "OMG gas hit $2.50/gallon"

The people cried again "OMG gas hit $3.00/gallon"

The again for $3.50, $4.00, and $4.50.


See the pattern? Most people are cry babies. If there is something to complain about, people will. Rather then accept the problem as not going away, diagnose possible solutions, and finally execute solution.





**there is only one true love in my life... and my girlfriend has learned to live with it**

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besides that,, it is crippling our economy.....

i say, F* the tree hugger's, open up Alaska!

Chris


"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

$66 - $70 to fill my 05 Sunfire. Gas today is 145.9 per/L. My motorcycle costs $12 to fill (1979 honda CM185T) and gets me to work and back, 20km round trip. If prices are such a problem then change the way you use gas. Still, it's quite amusing to drive my car to the pump with an suv at the next pump, watching his gas bill climb to $200+.

But I'll give it 'till the August long weekend, then prices will be up over $1.50 per/L.

Taetsch Z-24 wrote:......

besides that,, it is crippling our economy.....

i say, F* the tree hugger's, open up Alaska!

Chris

x2...

My last tank on the motorcycle, I got 116 MPG Imperial, or 97 MPG US.

Envy me.

No matter the gas prices i will always fill my tank up. The highest i paid so far was 4.29 a gallon US,, and i have to fill up a Escalade. Now, i dont complain, i just deal with it, and a full tank on that thing was 95.00 to fill it up at that price. Tonight, i filled up at 4.05 a gallon US, and i paid 80.00 Either way, i dont care, i bought the truck and now im just dealing with it, there is no reason to cry about the prices b/c there is really nothing that WE (as in normal ppl not politicians) can REALLY do about the gas prices besides complain about it. I dont care. they go up and go down. either way i have no choice to pay them. So, oh well. when i need gas i put it in, no matter the price. and im not one to only go till half tank and fill up, i wait till i am empty and fill, so yeah it sucks, but, deal with it.

About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular faults which spontaneously spew natural gas. A significant reservoir of crude oil was discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a day of high-quality crude oil.

By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than 4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly, in 1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the reserves which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s, were recalculated at 400 million barrels. Interestingly, the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil pumped in the '70s.

Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault" at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a river of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source.

Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway for at least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of Middle East reserve oil.

Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs and fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another source for crude oil?

An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs suggests that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product, not a stepchild of unfathomable time and organic degradation. The theory suggests there may be huge, yet-to-be-discovered reserves of oil at depths that dwarf current world estimates.

The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic process which occurs between the mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and 20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism is as follows:

* Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity throughout our solar system – huge concentrations exist at great depth in the Earth.

* At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the surface, rapidly rising streams of compressed methane-based gasses hit pockets of high temperature causing the condensation of heavier hydrocarbons. The product of this condensation is commonly known as crude oil.

* Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and reservoirs we extract as "natural gas."

* In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions around the globe, the crude oil pools into reservoirs.

* In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas, the oil and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to oxidize, producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from active volcanoes.

* Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth movement, oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-sand deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the continual seeps found beneath the Gulf of Mexico and Uzbekistan.

* Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep pools of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.

There are a number of observations across the oil-producing regions of the globe that support this theory, and the list of proponents begins with Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements) and includes Dr. Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources Corporations, Houston, Texas.

In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents compelling evidence for inorganic oil formation. He notes that geologic structures where oil is found all correspond to "deep earth" formations, not the haphazard depositions we find with sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface life.

He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field have the same chemistry – oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary with increasing depth. Also interesting is the fact that oil is found in huge quantities among geographic formations where assays of prehistoric life are not sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs of oil. Where then did it come from?

Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert gas known to be a fundamental product of the radiological decay or uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at great depths below the surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements associated with life. It is found throughout the solar system as a thoroughly inorganic product.

Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island reservoir – not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.

Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs."

Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this theory to justify deep oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, among other locations, with some success. Dr. Kenney is on record predicting that parts of Siberia contain a deep reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding that already discovered in the Middle East.

Could this be true?

In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US)," Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a partial title of "The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum." Dr. Kenney and three Russian coauthors conclude:

The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve hydrocarbons at pressures less than 30 Kbar, even in the most favorable environment. The H-C system evolves hydrocarbons under pressures found in the mantle of the Earth and at temperatures consistent with that environment.

He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century."

Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some point in the relatively near future we will see the last working pump on the last functioning oil well screech and rattle, and that will be that. The end of the Age of Oil. And unless we find another source of cheap energy, the world will rapidly become a much darker and dangerous place.

If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the world as we know it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about it ... while not inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of inorganic crude oil and commercially feasible extraction would provide the world with generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold has been quoted saying that current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a factor of over 100.

A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, was scheduled to discuss and publicly debate this issue. Papers were solicited from interested academics and professionals. The conference was scheduled to begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the last minute. A new date has yet to be set.



oil is not as rare as people think, in fact, it may very well be a renewable, sustainable resource.

Google it, you'll be surprised, and pass it on please.

Chris



"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry

The methane released is still going to cook the atmosphere. It's still not a viable long-term energy source until we can quit pumping the waste gases into the atmosphere we have to live in.




Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:The methane released is still going to cook the atmosphere. It's still not a viable long-term energy source until we can quit pumping the waste gases into the atmosphere we have to live in.

the methane???? please research the subject a bit. cars aren't releasing massive farts, it's MOSTLY CO2 and H2O, like any organic reaction.



87 Firebird
All stock...........lol.