Better to teach them to fish than handing them a fish to eat. Unfortunatly most over there can't gasph the concept of fishing.

AIDS in Africa=World Population Control. Sorry, but the truth hurts and before you say anything...i have lost people close to be via AIDS death. Yes you can get HIV through other forms of contact than sexual but most AIDS cases over there are because of sex and them being incredibly ignorant about how to prevent it.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20050710123619850C495299

More younger children are having sex - survey

One out of every three children is having sex at the age of 10, and 17 out of 100 will deliberately spread the virus if they know they are HIV-positive.

These are the findings of a comprehensive survey by the Community Information, Empowerment and Transparency (CIET Africa) in November and December 2002.

The study involved 269 905 pupils in Grades 6 to 11 in all language groups, across a range of schools and from all nine provinces.

Some of the other disturbing findings included that, at 18, two out of every three children had had sex. Two out of 10 pupils did not believe condoms prevented pregnancy or other sexually transmitted diseases.

One in 10 said they believed sex with a virgin could cure HIV/Aids, and one in 10 had been raped in the past year. Three out of every 100 pupils thought that girls liked sexually violent boys and one out of every 10 thought that girls who got raped, asked for it, according to the study.

The practice of polygamy is pretty much sacrosanct in many areas and tribes of Africa.

Pret: There's a lot more to the story, but you got the worst of it there. Education is a big part of helping to prevent AIDS in Africa, but then again, education and literacy is also considered somewhat of a luxury there.

mrgto: I think the 'population control' idea is pretty callous and crass. If conditions weren't so bad there (at least, medically/socio-politically speaking.. not to mention the Stunning lack of literacy), the problem would have cropped up so readily. Look at India and China: not exactly the richest nations on earth, but they have comparitively low STD infection rates, because people can read the information that is put out by NGO's and Government institutions.

Maybe before taking a possibly(!) racist stance on a problem it might be more productive to find out the causes of a problem and exacerbating circumstances and alleviating those problems instead of resigning yourself that "population control" is inevitable.





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People should realize what a fantastic resource Africa has been for the western world. Everyone here seems to think that Africa has nothing to offer us on this side of the pond. The reality is we extract huge amounts of reasource from there with littl compensation. For example 70% of the world's cocoa (chocolate) produced comes from Africa. Huge amounts of coffee, oil, gold, and diamonds. Why do they have no money.. Because we steal resources to keep our debt low. We give them our debt instead of paying for their products.

I'll explain the internation monetary theft system in simple terms for you if you like. For now, chew on this... Every dollar (on paper, not minted) is borrowed into existance and bears interest. IE: if you have a $20 dollar bill in your pocket, that is a debt that you government incurred and it is actually $20+banker's prime (the prime lending rate as set out by whatever national bank). The interest has to come from somewhere, generally it come from reasources, but, in order to actually pay the debt, we must take the resource from another economy.

A scenerio;

There are five guys on an island. One builds houses, one builds fishing nets, one grows cabbage, one hunts deer, one collects water from a private well. The five are doing fine bartering with each other to get what they need in life. Soon everyone has a house, is sick of cabbage, their nets are fine and they dug their own well. Their economy stops dead. Then allong comes Edmund Rothchild and explains money to them. He tell them how they can trade money instead of trading goods. Much easier to divide, smaller units, little to carry etc. They like the idea, BUT they have no money. No problem says Rothchild, he'll lend it to them at 5% interest. He gives prints $100 and gives it to them. Everything is great, they are trading again and life is good. One year passes and Mr. Rothchild comes back to collect his debt. They give him his $100 back, BUT he says they owe him $105. They don't have the $5 he didn't give it to them. So Mr. Rothchild says he'll collect the interest and they can keep the principal. So he takes his $5 leaving them with $95 in their economy. Everything is OK until the next year.. They now owe him $105, but they have only $95. He takes his $5 and leaves, they have $90, but will owe $105 in another year. See where this is going? In 20 years they have nothing, and still owe the entire debt. Nice eh?


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my opinion.... pull out of iraq, afganastan, africa, hell pull out or the rest of the world noone wants us till there poor people are starving to death. well why is this our problem? i'm sorry if it sounds cruel but a previous post was right it will thin the worlds population. if the land can't support them why should we? theres too many people
in a land that cannot provide for them. hell even a cow will move on if theres no more grass they need to get steppin. i've known a few people that came from africa, great people, they left cause of the poverty and war if they can do it anyone can. i so dont want to here oh those poor people they cant leave. why the hell not?!?! are they chained to the ground? oh i know they have no legs they got hunger so they ate the right? give me a break if you have nothing then your leaving nothing behind.

as for those holier then thou rock stars give me a break if they really gave a good $h!t
about anybody in africa then why dont they donate all their billions of dollers? they do not care about anyone anywhere all they care about is selling there records and this puts them in the news and gives them tons of free press and it makes idiots out there think they're these great selfless heros and inturn they run out and buy buy buy.

what ever! we should help all our homeless all our aids victims all those who need
in this country first then if theres any left and they actualy want our help then give it to them.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Jackalope: Read my response to ScottAWhite.

The last part of your post is true, but that would mean that your govt's would need to do something that is not in their better interests, and may even cost them a significant amount of money.



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not just my govt gam but yours too. i dont know why CANADA should be exemept from
helping too.





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. i so dont want to here oh those poor people they cant leave. why the hell not?!?! are they chained to the ground?

Are you serious? are they supposed to swim to a new country?

Canada isn't exempt... far from it: Canada puts in a greater percent of the GDP than the USA. 0.4% vs. 0.021%. of GDP to foreign aid. Dollar for dollar, that's not even close to a match (Canada's net GDP is in the 400 billion per annum range, while the USA is in the 3-5 Trillion dollar range IIRC), but still we're giving more proportionately. I'm talking federal Foreign aid payments to the World Bank Accounts of needy countries, I'm not talking about private donations.

The idea is 1% of gross GDP by 2020. Right now, that's not feasible, and the 0.7% that was being pitched for the end of 2008 isn't either. There will be .5% by 2007, but beyond that, there hasn't been further commitment.





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GAM, racist? Nope. I could care less what race they are. If they are ignorant and don't want to LEARN then there is basically no reason for them to be on this earth. I call them Oxygen Bandits. It could go for China, India or any other nation with stupid people. It doesn't take much to educate them about how HIV spreads.


As far as the US GDP, let us know when you want to buck up and defend the world, or any other nation for that matter..against terrorists or rouge nations. If you step up, then we can free up PLENTY of money to give out...

mrgto wrote:GAM, racist? Nope. I could care less what race they are. If they are ignorant and don't want to LEARN then there is basically no reason for them to be on this earth. I call them Oxygen Bandits. It could go for China, India or any other nation with stupid people. It doesn't take much to educate them about how HIV spreads.


As far as the US GDP, let us know when you want to buck up and defend the world, or any other nation for that matter..against terrorists or rouge nations. If you step up, then we can free up PLENTY of money to give out...

We are helping in Afganastan and everywhere in fact EXCEPT Iraq. So first you should educate yourself, then you can tell me how easy it is to reach and educate Africa. 800 million people spread over 54 countries with countless languages on a landmass that measures 11, 677, 240 square miles, most of it with no infrastructure (roads, telephone, etc.). Oh ya, that's easy.

Well, if it's so easy, get on it. Obviously the people who have been trying for the last few decades must also be stupid, right?

Then you turn around and call China and India stupid while you're at it. You really don't know much about the world do you?

PAX

PS: Don't fool yourself into thinking the US is "defend(ing) the world". It is doing what every nation does.. Looking after it's own interests. When you start to see that (instead of trying to be some kind of hero/martyr), you might strat to understand the world just a little better. The US is doing nothing more than protecting resources it needs or will need in the near future. "Defend the world" my a$$.

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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Canada isn't exempt... far from it: Canada puts in a greater percent of the GDP than the USA. 0.4% vs. 0.021%. of GDP to foreign aid. Dollar for dollar, that's not even close to a match (Canada's net GDP is in the 400 billion per annum range, while the USA is in the 3-5 Trillion dollar range IIRC), but still we're giving more proportionately. I'm talking federal Foreign aid payments to the World Bank Accounts of needy countries, I'm not talking about private donations.

The idea is 1% of gross GDP by 2020. Right now, that's not feasible, and the 0.7% that was being pitched for the end of 2008 isn't either. There will be .5% by 2007, but beyond that, there hasn't been further commitment.

well forget proportion GAM, if those number you gave are accurate, then...

USA 0.63-1.05 Billion per year
Canada 1.60 Billion per year

Which would mean that Canada considerably ahead in BOTH percentage and total - that is assuming that your figures are even remotely accurate.




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

thanks gam i didnt know that. its nice to see your not a total hipacrit. but since Canada
is much closer to socialism then we are here in the U.S. it shouldn't surprise me to find out that your govt. gives away your money so easily. but hey since your cool with it so am i, its not my money anyway.

and upstate i've read some nasty stuff about you let me be one of the first in appoligizing for some of the rednecks around here. they hear something a friend or news said and then all muslems must be horrible. i've got a few muslem friends
great guys, not suicide bombers. anyway they dont need to swim to get to other
PARTS of there country. so whats stopping them?




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mrgto wrote:GAM, racist? Nope. I could care less what race they are. If they are ignorant and don't want to LEARN then there is basically no reason for them to be on this earth. I call them Oxygen Bandits. It could go for China, India or any other nation with stupid people. It doesn't take much to educate them about how HIV spreads.


As far as the US GDP, let us know when you want to buck up and defend the world, or any other nation for that matter..against terrorists or rouge nations. If you step up, then we can free up PLENTY of money to give out...

We are helping in Afganastan and everywhere in fact EXCEPT Iraq. So first you should educate yourself, then you can tell me how easy it is to reach and educate Africa. 800 million people spread over 54 countries with countless languages on a landmass that measures 11, 677, 240 square miles, most of it with no infrastructure (roads, telephone, etc.). Oh ya, that's easy.

Well, if it's so easy, get on it. Obviously the people who have been trying for the last few decades must also be stupid, right?

Then you turn around and call China and India stupid while you're at it. You really don't know much about the world do you?

PAX

then we can assure ourselves that natural selection will take it's course uh? And FYI, I wasn't saying China or India people were stupid, I was using them as an example of large populations.

Right, you're HELPING. Let me know when you want to take the LEAD. And yes, we are protecting OUR interests because without OUR INTERESTS our economy fails and it would drage the rest of the world down with it. So in REALITY it is in everyone's best interest.

Also, don't let the fact that we did free more than 50 million people combined since 2001.

You seem to forget that nobody asked you to do these things.. Ever thought that maybe they don't want your "help". Every nation that the US has "freed" has ended up worse off than before the "help" or "liberation".. Call it what you want but realize that it's nothing more than modern colonization in an effort to secure resource.

I'm sure your economy would be better off without the massive expense of war.

Canada takes leadership positions in many areas, war isn't one of them.

Direct quote "It could go for China, India or any other nation with stupid people."

I guess now I get to call you a liar too. You definately called them stupid, read you own writing.

The US economy would not all out fail without strong arming resource from other nations, it just wouldn't be as strong. As far as the rest of the world failing as well. Think about who the largest economic powers in the world are. The US is high on the list but certainly not alone. For years Gernany had a much stronger economy for example.

Seriously, get over yourself and start looking outside your borders. There is far more to the world that the US.

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We are helping in Afganastan and everywhere in fact EXCEPT Iraq

wow how'd i miss this little danady?

we aren't helping in Iraq?????? WOWOW somebody needs to pay alittle closer attention to world events

OK, we are helping in Iraq as well, but in a fairly minor capacity.

Who are "we" there Prej, you're from NJ, I'm talking about Canadians. We are giving logistical support in Iraq. To my understanding that is about it. Perhaps we have some police training or something like that going on as well. Certainly we are not engaged in active combat in Iraq. We are heavily entrenched in Afganastan though. As well as our other ongoing peacekeeping missions thoughout the world.

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Who are "we" there Prej, you're from NJ, I'm talking about Canadians.

my bad i apologize...either i was unaware or forgot about you being from up north

Pret: I guess us canucks are going to have to start posting flags in our sigs eh?

Canadians will be doing some of the training for a national police force once a loyal military has been formed and stabilised. There are already some Canadian companies working as sub-contractors for the major US contractors (I know of at least 2 in Calgary that are updating well-head technology, not sure about others whether they are CDN or US subsidiaries).

I seem to have been incorrect about US spending on foreign aid, it's 0.065% of net GDP, which was 6 Trillion in 2004. Keep in mind, that's federally budgeted funds, not incidentals like with the Tsunami relief that was pledged... Those are harder to nail down but it does bring up the percentages a good bit... 0.1% of net GDP.

The info was from a CBC news segment just before the Live8 concerts, and I was quoting from memory... The numbers I quoted (0.021% and 5 trillion NGDP) were for another country.




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yeah or atleast type eh every once in a while so i can read it with a canadian accent B-)

LOL

Yeah... that's going to happen...

If we put huh? in there every now and then, I guess we could pass as yankees?




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no to pass as a yankee you are going to have to shoot up steroids!!

Yankee is a slang for american most places outside the USA... Kinda like you don't make a distinction between a newfie and a quebecois...


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yeah i'm aware i'm called a yank....i was matching your sarcasm