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Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:58 PM on j-body.org
Keeper: Trust me, it's not ever grey once it's out. usually somewhere between crimson and puce.

Hahahaha: Attributing large number of suicides to hormonal imbalances is not correct... over 60% of mental illnesses go untreated and their full extent undiagnosed, and much of suicide has to do with mental hygene.

Basically, if you tell them to buck up there are other people out there with bigger problems that's like saying it to someone getting a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. Pain is pain... when you're in pain, you don't give a rat's ass about someone else's pain, and if you're in that bad of a mania, no-one else's pain is greater. Putting yourself in the fram of mind of the suicide is critical.

Chamillionaire: when someone is no longer able to be helped by means of therapies, they usually go into a terminal palliative (or pain management) phase of treatment. Pulling the plug is usually done by means of a DNR order or a living will. If there is no next of kin, the body is kept alive, futile as it may be, until the body dies.





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Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:01 AM on j-body.org
"Hahahaha: Attributing large number of suicides to hormonal imbalances is not correct... over 60% of mental illnesses go untreated and their full extent undiagnosed, and much of suicide has to do with mental hygene. "

That right there is reason enough to not help people terminate their own lives.

Like I said before, they need help living, not help dying. I can really only see helping people in enormous pain that terminally ill anyway.. Everyone else can and should be helped.


PAX
Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:57 AM on j-body.org
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And again, that is not the responsibility of anyone other than the person who wants to commit suicide. Don't involve anyone other than yourself since you're thinking only about yourself when you do something like that. If they can't supply the means themselves whether it be messy or not, then why should someone else be accountable for ensuring their success?


No one else needs to be accountable for it. Thats their problem not ours. Although it might make it easier if they made it known to proper authorities that they were going to commit suicide. Thats why it should be legal, so they dont have to suspect foul play at all and dont have to do an autopsy etc etc.


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Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:07 PM on j-body.org
I was suicidal at one point in my early twenties.... it all boiled down to finances... good ol' money!! Ruins a lot of peoples lives.




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Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Monday, July 25, 2005 2:50 PM on j-body.org
^^^wurd.....money sucks.

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]I more think that the people trying to stop people from committing suicide are the selfish ones...


^^^exactly. lets be honest.....why do people want to "help" people who want to commit suicide? does it make them feel better...? like they are important because they "saved" someone? maybe its because they love that person? but if thats the case, then how could you allow your love for that person to supercede their pain? how could you even think about trying to force the person you loved into staying alive, knowing that their every breath was hell on earth for them?

if someone i knew told me they wanted to commit suicide, yes, i would try to talk them out of it. but it would be a one time thing, more of a logical "are you sure you want to do this....? you'll be giving up this and this and this, and i would miss you and so would X and Y and Z". after i spoke my peace and listened to what they had to say, then i would leave the decision up to them. if they came to me again and said it, i would reitterate what i had already said (unless it was for attention....then i would tell them to go and do it). but in the end they are the ones who have to live with themselves day in and day out. in the end its only their opinion that should count.

the same experiences effect different people differently. who am i to tell a person that they are stupid for thinking or feeling a certain way??? its no more right to try and "save" a suicidal person than it is to try and kill a non-suicidal person. if its what they want....then its their choice and theirs alone.

the only exception i can think of is in the case of mental illness......REAL mental illness. just being suicidal doesnt make you a nut case and i hate it when people imply that it does. but if you are delusional to the point that you cant tell the difference between reality and imagination, then yes you should get help. but the problem with "reality" is that there are too many grey areas on what is "real". we all live in our own world, although the majority of people share the same world view. but just because someone doesnt, doesnt mean it isnt real to them.

hahahaha: i think youre way off base when you said all of that. by telling a suicidal person that someone elses problems are worse than theirs, you are forgetting that the suicidal person's problems are most likely worse than yours. youre telling them to put themselves in someone else's shoes, but you arent putting yourself in their shoes.

i think you have to be there to really understand what its like.


Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Monday, July 25, 2005 4:59 PM on j-body.org
I wasn't saying iot to a suicidal person, as far as I know.. It's not off-base.. Think about the guy who said he was suicidal in his 20s over money... He got better didn't he? The "pain" was termperary wasn't it? Now he is alive and kicking and can contribute to society instead of occupying some grave somewhere.

I can't put myslef in their shoes, suicide is completely against my belief system. I guess as a teen I had thoughts about suicide, but was never really serious.. It was more along the lines of "I wonder who'd care if I killed myself" not the same at all.

At any rate, if I was to make the ultimate in poor choices in a job and actually end up couselling people with mental health issues, I'm sure I'd use more tact. My point is that anyone living in this part of the world really does have it easy compaired to most, all they need to do is realize it. A little faith never hurt either.

Life to me is a gift, I don't throw gifts away.

PAX

PS: I meant that the social services career path would be a poor choice for me (not very empathetic), not that it's a poor choice for everyone.
Re: 'A Practical Guide to Suicide'
Monday, July 25, 2005 5:23 PM on j-body.org
yeah we have it alot easier here than in lots of other places in the world.....but its like i said, everyone has a different view of the world that is theirs. just because the sun is always bright in your world doesnt mean it is in everybody's. and just because one person "got better" doesnt mean thats how its always gonna work. suicide is just like any other decision we make, except that it is much more permanant.

suicide isnt for everyone.....but that doesnt mean its not for anyone either.





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