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I doubt that any country that imprisons its intellectuals is going to last very long
Then, if you look at how America has been since through and since the McCarthy era; America is doomed.
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yea i think the states are going to be brought to there knees by pocket knives again soon, if there not careful. china is just pretecting themselves for when bush chokes on another prezel and gets pissed at another country.
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I doubt that any country that imprisons its intellectuals is going to last very long
Then, if you look at how America has been since through and since the McCarthy era; America is doomed.
O come on, I think we can all agree that McCarthy was an idiot and yes he ruined a lot of careers. While Intellectuals may not get the respect they deserve compared to pro atheletes and movie stars, What are some examples of people being jailed
solely for their beliefs, teachings like that? I do agree with you to some degree however that America isn't heading in the right direction. However we're not and hopefully never will be to the point of China which jails anyone speaking out against the government or talking about religious beliefs. They're not far removed from the "Cultural Revolution" either.
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Actually people America never used to be this way. My Grandma said back in the 1930s growing up she and her sisters could go anywhere and their mom wouldnt even think that someone would come along and kidnap them. She said back then grocerys stores used to have carts outside with fruits, like apples and oranges and she would walk buy and it never even crossed her mind to steal. Nowadays people would steal the whole damn cart without thinking twice.
She said that her entire time growing up she only remembers ONE murder, and yes she does have a really good memory, nowdays every 62 minutes someone is murdered in America.
She said that America was heading in the right directions until Vietnam, she said after Vietnam its began its downfall that we are still in.
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She said that America was heading in the right directions until Vietnam, she said after Vietnam its began its downfall that we are still in.
Interesting if you think about it the 60s were when america started to break away from "traditional values", careers starting to take precedence over families, divorces increasing, no mentioning of God or gods in schools, etc etc. Just food for thought
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^^ yes but the 60s were also good for America... like the civil rights movement started and blacks got more rights...
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very true, a lot of change, some bad as I said, some good as you said, just wish we could filter it out, I certainly wouldn't blame the downward swing on desegration
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neither would i, desegregation helped get us somewhat out of the dark ages that we were once in... we still have problems today but what country doesnt?
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Well, my ideals on that^^^ aside, I mentioned McCarthy because, you'll find that here in the west (I won't limit to the USA solely, although the effect I'm going to talk about is going to be magnified 10-15 fold) instead of taking the heavy -handed approach of jailling or "disappearing" someone with radical ideas or thoughts (in whatever sphere), people are discredited and then their reputation and work is beaten into the ground mercilessly.
Look at Bob Dole: Before the 2000 Election, he was known as "boy scout." He had always been pretty conciencious, and was pretty much concerned with the truth, no matter what was happening with his or another party.
Sometime in 1998/9 he all of a sudden developed the "Pinnochio Syndrome." A guy that had pretty much been loyal to his constiutents and his office (even if it landed him somewhat at odds with his party) had pretty much overnight been turned from boy scout to an ominous forked-tongue villain. His reputation was so battered (over a stupid misquote, "During my service in the United Stated Congress, I took the iniative in creating the internet" one which Newt Gingrich had confirmed was true) and so thoroughly assinated, that this overly earnest man who had been a longtime congressman was relegated to being seen as an untrustworthy man. Gore retired later, and had some words to say about the very dirty tactics (and unsubstantiated claims about his character). In petulance, and not fit with seeing his threat to the presidency end, Conservative "pundits" rabbit punched his credibility by saying he was quietly going nuts.
This isn't new, McCarthy smeared hundreds of ranking union officials (who were affected to a much lesser degree), Civil rights leaders (the movement still being in its infancy), hollywood starlets/stars and capitol hill officials with bogus or trumped up charges of anti-american activities, due to either casual association or innuendo... very rarely on substantiated evidence.
No, you're not imprisoned, but you might as well be. If you can't work and earn your keep, what's the difference?
It seems that in the 50's things really started to get nasty, and now it's just more refined, tolerated.. or worse expected. Character assassination is SOP in the political arena... it's been in the workplace now for many years (at least in the Tech field, I know for certain). The 60's counter-culture and the subsequent 70's "Me" generation were pretty predictable, as one sought to halt to the progression of a bad influenced society, and one that basically gave in completely.
What has followed is not a real return to basic values, far from it... I think it's not simply an evolving value structure (one that prizes money and posessions above all else), but people at odds with what they believe in (ie liberal and high-minded beliefs), and what they're afraid of (ie. losing everything because of outside factors that they have no control over).
Back on topic, I think China is becoming part of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-7369960-1911352">the culture of fear</a>, and that, is very ominous indeed.
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Interesting take on character assasination, watching the past week of political crap (the infamous "leak," whining over an excellent judicial nominee) makes me sick. Maybe we're better at it than the Chinese. While there are "consequences" for those individuals who "step out of line" I still wouldn't put us on the level of the regimes in questions. Good take on the values too.
That culture of fear link isn't working, what is it a book?
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Bob Dole created the internet?
BlacKMagiC wrote:Bob Dole created the internet?
No, silly Al Gore did, actually that was just a hoax back in 2000. He did do more than any elected offical to get the internet going, he was elected into Congress in 1976 and people back then were thinking of the internet already.
The DOD and research Universities used telephone networks to create data networks, so basically they get the credit.
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First off. "Corporal Emmit 'Soup Can' Thomas US Navy " since when were Corporal's in the Navy?!
Second, 10 divisions of Chinese couldn’t take out one division of Marines in the 50's, why would they be any better now?
Third, it’s only a matter of time before we will really see (between the US and china) who is the next superpower.
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"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
Ahh bugger... Thanks for the pick up on that fudd... I was typing pretty late last night.
Taesch: I think it was 3 divisions of communist irregular Korean troops that captured the bulk of the Korean peninsula, and the 1 division of marines was actually 7 divisions of UN blended troops...
http://www.korean-war.com/
Might be good reading
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No.
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
No?
Wouldn't you rather read and find out if I'm wrong?
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China want to take back the island that it lost...if you look, most of the missiles are pointed right at Taiwan...and the thing is, since we're such good buddies with them, we set up a bunch of our AGEIS cruisers to stop those missiles, but then the Chineses got plans and built their own...and they did...so any counter attack is pointless...they will all be blowing up over the ocean.
And with the Korean war...the Chinese didn't help that much...it was more so the Soviet, they were the ones flying the jets over the combat zone. The chinese helped out more duing Vietnam via supplies.
And china already has a strangle hold on us economically...its the chinese that are floating most of our debt for us. They are the people buying all of our T-bill's.
Also, the reason we should fear the Chinese's is that they not only have the largest pool of available man power, but they also have the world's largest air force, and air power is always a force to be reconed with.
IMO, the battle between China and Tiawan is going to happen a hell of a lot sooner than anything with North Korea...Kim Jong Il maybe crazy...but he ain't stupid...or maybe he is but his generals won't let him throw it all away. Besides...Korea will bend to any level of pressure from China becuase they get 90% of their power, food stuffs, raw materials, etc., straight from China, becuase they are the only country that will even think about supporting them.
