i hate kids whose mommy and daddy buys them a new car when they turn 16. That's why we have theives, to take sh!t that they don't need.
When my son grows up, he is gonna have to buy hs own car, just like I had to when I was 16.
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It is amazing people get upset over things like things. So what if people buy these for their kids look at it this way some one who sold it is going to get a good comission who deserves it and the factory still has a job because another car sold
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I'm not saying it as an income issue, I'm saying it as an I.Q. issue. Rich, poor, whatever. What I'm getting at is that the kids don't learn any respect for money or the car that was bought for them. My 1st car was a 1976 monte Carlo. I paid $400.00 for
it. yes it was a pos. but you know what it was MY pos. I spent the next 2 years of high school fixing it up. When it was done it was awesome. I put every cent I made working at Exxon after school and on the weekends into it. It was Corvette white with red pinstripes, tinted windows, Crager ss mags 2 1/2 inch duals with glass pack mufflers
killer kenwood sterio and I got lucky enough to get a built 454 the tunnel ram set up from a guy for only $2500.00. When I graduated in 91 noone in Balto. city or the surronding counties schools could touch that car. And I built it myself, with no help
from mom or dad. You guys talk about pride but I dont see how you can be proud of something that you had handed to you.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Honestly, if your parents offered you a Corvette for your 16th birthday, would you take it?? Of course you would. Its not your money, dont sweat it
i dont think its a good idea to do something like that. no, its not me being jealous because i didnt get a vette when i turned 16. its because the kid learns nothing by doing it. he doesnt learn responsibility....he doesnt learn "a penny saved is a penny earned".....and he doesnt learn anything positive from the situation.
and more importantly, giving a kid a vette for his 16th bday is most likely a sign of things to come......youll eventually spoil the kid rotten. and thats what i see as a problem. spoiled kids turn into spoiled adults. and spoiled adults are the @!#$s that we see today. you know the type.....the ones who expect everyone to bow down in front of them and kiss their feet, just because theyve got money or power or a name or whatever else. i dont like those types of people....not because theyve lived a life of luxury...my life hasnt been that bad. but i dont like those types of people because of their attitudes. the majority of people who are spoiled and given everything they want have bad attitudes. they think they are better than everyone......and that is what i dont want to see. thats where the problem is.
every parent wants their kid to have a better life than what they lived......but i think this is overkill.
Well said Cavfire. (i'm clapping my hands) couldn't have said it better myself. And
working at a Cadiliac dealer I experence these type of people more then I'd like to.
Do you know I actualy had a women stand at my counter stomp her foot and whine to me that she wanted a type of floor mat that wasn't avaible on even made for her car.
she was like in her late 40's with 2 teenage kids of her own!!!! This is what spoiling your kids gets you. And yes there is a diff between loving them and spoiling them.
She even wanted me to go as far as contacting G.M. and ask them to make them for her
pretty please with sugar and a cherry on top. I wanted to choke her!
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
i am on both sides of the fence i gues, my father bought my first car from a buddy of his but i did not get to drive it until i paid it off, all of $400, done when i was still 15. i did get to also pay for any repairs deemed necessary by him before i could drive it, we went and bought the parts as i could afford it and did the work ourselves. i would not trade it for anything.
i plan on doing something similar but more for my daughters. 3 years before they can drive legally we will talk aboot what kind of car they would like and start looking for a low priced but driveable compromise. then we will work on them together with them having to pay back any fronted money before they ever drive it and depending how far they get individually there may be a "school beater" until they graduate, just because of how stupid some people's kids are.
not set in stone and i am sure some things will change since i have at least 6.5 years until this will start. right now both of my daughters like to see well done cars and think it is great, hopefully it is something that we can always have together as they get older.
cars are like guns, most people that are hurt in "accidents" that were there fault were because of any or all of the following;
ignorance/ uninformed
lack of respect
not paying attention
i am going to do my best to make sure these are not issues when they drive, but i can't drive for them.
ToBoGgAn Your dad helped you he didn't hand it to you. Theres a difference. And good
for you for wanting to teach your kids responsibility.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
CavFire.com (tabasco) wrote:
and more importantly, giving a kid a vette for his 16th bday is most likely a sign of things to come......youll eventually spoil the kid rotten. and thats what i see as a problem. spoiled kids turn into spoiled adults. and spoiled adults are the @!#$s that we see today. you know the type.....the ones who expect everyone to bow down in front of them and kiss their feet, just because theyve got money or power or a name or whatever else. i dont like those types of people....not because theyve lived a life of luxury...my life hasnt been that bad. but i dont like those types of people because of their attitudes. the majority of people who are spoiled and given everything they want have bad attitudes. they think they are better than everyone......and that is what i dont want to see. thats where the problem is.
every parent wants their kid to have a better life than what they lived......but i think this is overkill.
I was thinking the same thing.
My dad told me this story of someone he knew back in high school. His father would always spoil him and get him whatever he wanted. Even bought him a new GTO (back in the 60's). Guess where he is today. He is a miserable loser who has no education and lives in a @!#$ty house in a @!#$ty neighbourhood.
dont worry about bein jealous. that kid will be dead soon and his dad will be in touch with you in the near future about warranty info. lata.
Civickiller
Tabasco:
I know what you mean.
I've seen people that are complete jag-offs trying to order me about and not do some things that are necessary in their car (which was wrecked because their stupid ass was drunk), because I'll find a couple of joints etc.
This one guy, 24 yr. old punk in a suit, gets all riled up Goes on about how he knows the dep. commissioner of the force etc.. he gets all up in my face "Do you know who I AM?" For all the world I wanted to clobber this jerk (he hit a 15 yr. old on a bike... the kid lived btw... just a broken ankle), but the @!#$ in me perked up and said "the officer will find out as soon as he gets your license and registration. Have a nice day."
Turns out, he's the son of a Tech heavy weight... Here's the best part: he got booked for blowing over the limit, DWI, DWI causing injury, and flight from the scene (the last one was a little over the top, but not my call). His father flipped when he found out the car was totalled. I was finishing my shift, and on the way out I saw the guy talking to his lawyer in the parking garage, I distinctly overheard him say that the kid needed to learn a lesson on responsibility. Apparently this wasn't the first wrecked car.
I guess a busted bottle of 150 proof vodka in the passenger seat of his formerly nice G35 didn't help his case.
Most of those kids either learn fast, or they learn hard... if we're lucky, they don't get the chnace to learn at all, and all that happens is they take a decent vehicle with them.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
When my kids turn 16, I will definately be planning on buying them a car.
The reasoning behind it is the same reasoning that my parents used with my college education. They paid for the first four years, while I had to pay for the fifth year, as well as my 3 years in law school. When I have kids, I will offer them the same deal. It makes perfect sense for them to pay for it if they can simply write a check instead of having me pay finance and interest charges, and then pair that with bills at a blossoming new job. Do people pay off their own student loans? All the time, but it is rediculous to have them repay more than it cost when it's not a necessity. The thoery is that those that have the most opportunity to pay should be the ones paying.
The same thing goes for a car. I would rather them participate in extra-curricular activities, athletics, as well as having them dedicate themselves to their education instead of having them work to pay off a car that I would have written a check for. It has always been my theory that character is developed not through suffering, but through hard work and appreciation for what you have. I personally do not feel that it needs to be developed by working in a grocery store, print shop, movie store or multiple factories by working 30-40 hours a week during school and 60-80 hours of work during summer.
Now a different question is "would I buy my kid a death machine?" Probably not, but I definately plan on buying them a nice, safe, and reliable car so that they have one less thing that they need to worry about.
^^^^^ between the ages of about 13 and 17 i saved 5000 to buy my 95 cavalier by myself. who said anything about not being able to do extra curriculars and do well in ur studies while working and saving. if ur kid needs anything more then a $5000 car inwhich they have to finance it then apparently they have other goals in life then their studies anyway. like a few of my friends, they have no intention of going to college cause theyre young, stupid, and think that the 12 bucks an hour they make now is a fortune and lets them get by paying for their 20K car while living at home till theyre 30. let ur kid learn time management and responsibility and cash management by getting good grades and working like some people instead of handing them a car and saying ok now go have fun at afterschool sports
Civickiller
And this teaches them what exactly? That daddy will buy me a car when I turn 16 Oh goody, goody !! If you want them to learn responcibility let them get a job and earn.
I'm sorry but getting to hang out with there friends after school at sporting events isn't teach them a damn thing other then how gullible dad is for buying me a car. I'm not saying to throw them to the wolves and shove them into a sweat shop, but if you want a car buy it yourself. If you need help then fine I'll help you but I'm not going to give it to you. I have 2 girls 9 year old and a 13 year old they both want to go see Hilerey Duff
in concert, Tickets are $97.00 each plus tax. and the wife is escorting them thats $300.00 for a stupid concert ?!?!? Guess what ? Chorers just got doubled. Its great my wife and I don't have to lift a finger around the house now. Welll acept to make meals.
They're doing there own laundry and cleaning the whole house and doing the dishes cleaning the litter boxes and keeping there rooms spottless. For this hard work they will EARN the tickets for the show. Go ahead give your kids whatever you want too they're not my responcibility but don't expect any sympathy when they wreck that car you
bought them. I hope they don't get hurt but I hope you learn a leason from it and then try to pass it on to your kids.
Do you know where spoiled rotten little barts come from ? Mommy and Daddy.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Civickiller wrote:who said anything about not being able to do extra curriculars and do well in ur studies while working and saving.
Certainly not me. This quote was me in high school/college, and yes, I participated in many extra-curriculars as well...
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by working in a grocery store, print shop, movie store or multiple factories by working 30-40 hours a week during school and 60-80 hours of work during summer.
I think the fundamental misunderstanding here is that we need to be training our 14, 15 and 16 year olds every single aspect of adult life. If we really wanted to treat them like adults, we could send them off to basic training at the age of 14, have them serve in the military for a few years, then send them to high school. It's not impossible for a kid at the age of 16 to buy and pay for a car, insurance, etc., but why put them through it? Does it build character? Sure, but character can be built in other ways as well. Circumstances willing, my kids will have the rest of their lives to be faced with adversity, and
IMO it is unnecessary to force such adversity on kids when it isn't needed.
jackalope wrote:Do you know where spoiled rotten little barts come from ? Mommy and Daddy.
WRONG. They come from a mother and a father that makes the child feel as if the child has things because the child deserves it, NOT because the parents can afford to give it to them. Will my children have nicer things? If I can afford them, they certainly will. However, they will know that the only reason they have the nicer things they do is that because my wife and I can afford them have worked hard for them and not because they are somehow entitled. If my children can gain an appreciation for my accomplishments, it will ideally keep my children from being "spoiled rotten little barts" (
), as well as well to provide sufficient motivation for success for them in the future.
Pork chop some of what you say has merrit but some I'm sorry I can't agree with. Yes
you should as a parent always want to give your kids the best. But be careful because
there is a fine line between giveing them the best and spoiling them. I work with a women who buys her son $200.00 pairs of shoes because he likes them and then
has to bring half sandwiches to work for a week to offset the shoes. That is spoiling the kid. Making sure he / she has good shoes that fit is not. Buting Jr a $45,000.00
sports car for his 16th birthday is spoiling him. Helping him but a little car that goes from point A to point B is not. Helping is not spoiling buying them whatever they want when they want is. Do you see the difference yet?
And if mom and dad don't spoil the kids who does?
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Thats fine daddy did that.
The child will never learn the value of a dollar.
He will always expect something from his parents.
When daddy finally says "no", he will whine like a 3 year old.
He will never learn about buying/selling a car house, whatever (daddy wont be around forever).
He'll slack off in school because why go to college when theres a huge bank account at home??
His children will hate him because he doesnt know how to fix a bike, (or buy one).
See?? It all works out!
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Thanks Steve.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Spoilled brats come from foolish parents.
Buying a kid a car isn't the problem.
Giving them carte blanche to be little morons and excusing the behaviour most definitely is the problem.
Most of the kids that are getting into that situation were born as fashion accessories anyhow.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
Im gonna buy my son his first car whether its a Toyota Tercel or a Subaru WRX. I know My son will turn out all right because thats my job as a parent!
Fine guys whatever. I can see some of you will never get it, thats fine I just hope your kids turn out O.k. and they know daddy won't always be around to hand them things
on a silver platter. It teaches them NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL. Independance? NO
value of hard work? NO, value of money? NO, pride in your owning something you earned? NO. I thought as parents our first responcibility to our children was to teach them things. You taught them to talk. You taught them to walk. To play sports, maners
respect for people, all these things you taught them for the whole lives. Why then would you deny teaching them how to stand on there own two feet as adults? One of the most important lessons you could ever hope to teach them and you wont. I'm
sorry I don't understand why you as a parent would want your child to be ignorant of
such valueable life lessons. But its your child if you don't want them to be ready for
the real world then maybe you weren't ready to be a parent.
I just hope your kids do alright since you wont teach them what they need to know.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
jackalope wrote:Fine guys whatever. I can see some of you will never get it, thats fine I just hope your kids turn out O.k. and they know daddy won't always be around to hand them things
on a silver platter. It teaches them NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL. Independance? NO
value of hard work? NO, value of money? NO, pride in your owning something you earned? NO. I thought as parents our first responcibility to our children was to teach them things. You taught them to talk. You taught them to walk. To play sports, maners
respect for people, all these things you taught them for the whole lives. Why then would you deny teaching them how to stand on there own two feet as adults? One of the most important lessons you could ever hope to teach them and you wont. I'm
sorry I don't understand why you as a parent would want your child to be ignorant of
such valueable life lessons. But its your child if you don't want them to be ready for
the real world then maybe you weren't ready to be a parent.
I just hope your kids do alright since you wont teach them what they need to know.
I kinda understand what your trying to get at....I really do. But the to put it simple, our kids are the product of what we instill in them! Not every child who had a car bought for them by thier parents turns out to be irresponsible with money or does not understand the value of a dollar.
You and I cannot prove it either way unless there was a census done on this matter. All you are doing is stating your opinion, by no means are there facts involves in what you say! You cannot come on here and tell people like me how my children are gonna come out to be because I am going to buy them a car! It just doesn't make sense.
My mom and dad bought me back in the early 90's a brand new Nissan Stanza, fully loaded
My mom and dad bought my older brother a brand new Nissan as well
My mom and dad bought my little brother a brand new '04 Jetta GLI 9that special edition with the recaro seats and glow gauges and lip kit with 18" wheels) Very nice ride for a 20 year old I must say.
Now.....Me, now 30 years old. I went to college, did my service in the Marines, got my degree, helped out with the redcross on my spare time, helped out with homeless shelters, donated blood and money. Now I have a great job, two cars, one an '02 and the other an '04. I have a house which I just installed proffessionally hardwood floors, new tile and new carpet, new kitchen cabinets and new appliances, new 47" projection screen tv, I have two kids, one 5 and the other 4 mos. They both have everything they need and more, each have their own room. I have a substantial amount of money in savings and 401k also have two roth accounts for my children which I deposit 3-5 thousand a year in there for their college and future.
My older brother.....33 yrs old, went to college while in the Army, got a degree in sports medicine and strength and conditioning. Just got out of the Army and has his own house, two cars, Fiance, and he is a strength and conditioning coach for tier 1 teams here in MD, VA, DC....he has worked with the Washington Capitals, the Washington Redskins, The Baltimore Orioles, Boston RedSox and many colleges and high school athletes....he is now the owner of "Results, Strength and Conditioning" a company he started and is very successfull.
Little brother....21 yrs old.....still in college, going to try to become a sports agent, pays for his own tuition and works while in school, not much to him yet but he is very focused!
Now......we have what we have because we worked hard and went to school. We are very responsible and very motivated! We pay attention to detail and are very strong willed! We didn't get to where we are because our parents bought us our first car. It is just stupid sh*t to sit there and say that we werent taught the value of hard work because our parents bought us a car!
You kinda make sense but it's an opinion you are arguing about not factual! You have no right to sit in front of your computer and make statements about "the value of a dollar" or "hard work" blah blah blah! It's all b.s. All your doing is voicing your opinion. And you know that an opinion is not factual at all.
Oh and by the way.....my brothers and I chipped in and bought my mother a PT Cruisier when they first came out because she liked them at the time (she no longer has it). We thought it would be nice to by her something for teaching us the "value of a dollar"
Wow....how stuck up and snobby with no sense of value we turned out to be! lol
Keep voicing out your opinion bud!
Alex I never pointed my finger at you in my last post. I don't know why you are taking offence to it other then the fact you had your car given to you. I'm glad you turned out good and I wished your children all the best and they turn out good too. Its not just my opinion go read this whole post. I'd say its the opinion of about a good 75% to 80%
of the people here. I'm not picking a fight with you I was just saying for a parent to go buy there kid a $45,000.00 Sports car is a bad idea and that kids shouldn'd just be handed things without haveing to earn it. You were a Marine right? Well did you have to earn the right to be called a Marine or was it just handed to you? How about your brothers? Did the Army just say "Hey your a soldier" I know I had to bust my ass in
the army so I know that didn't happen. Problem is that MOST kids never learn proper
respect. I work around an area where the kids are spoiled little rich brats. Mommy and Daddy give them whatever they want. If you don't see this as a problem then by all means give JR whatever his little heart desires. But don't wonder why hes spoiled
cause its all your fault.
B.T.W. you can tell from the responces here as to 100% who had mom and dad give them a car. Funny huh?
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
I agree with not buying an expensive sports car for the kiddies. My parents never bought my first car for me. They didn't even do it for my brother or sister. I bought everything I own on my own with no help.
Alex, no one said anything direct to you about your parents buying you your first car. You had the sense to join the military. I am sure there they taught you responsibility. There are many kids today who will not go into the military and learn this. The only place they have left is from their parents. I helped my two daughters with getting their first cars. Notice, I said helped them. With the way the economy is, unless you have good credit established, you can't buy anything. I helped them get their cars by either co-signing for a loan or paid some towards getting a used cars. They made the car payments and paid for the insurance.
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