NJs Honda Killa wrote:Mainly I'm a bit disturbed at things going on on the ORG. You always hear from people who have been on here for 4 or more years saying "The org has gone down hill". I personally have been here for about 2 years so I wouldn't know...but I do know that things should and can be better.
agreed, this is some of the stuff we spoke on over the phone a few days ago...
down hill.... not sure... i know with more people most times quanity will never replace quality... and being here since 99 and rksport, maybe because i am older, out of college and working two jobs.... it seems that with the quantity of people that amassed, you simply see alot more whining about how so and so cant afford this or that part, how their car is messed up, how they dont know what to get or do...
and the main reason for that isnt money per se, its the simply fact that so many young people have bought these cars, alot of em are in their rebellious stage, dont wanna listen, dont wanna put out any effort to anything to further themselves, but want the majority of answers, parts, sponsorships handed to em...
think about the general forum.... how many posts have you seen from people begging for sponsorships with a car that isnt even anything but a replacement filter or something on those grounds?
performance forum, how many people are lazy in there, suspension?....boost for that matter...
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One of the things that disturbs me is the lack of appreciation for the bash. Yes, I went to the bash. I personally enjoyed myself. I met alot of people I didn't meet last year (Lenko, cannonfodder, Darkstars etc), it was a great location to have a car show and the track was decent. There were very small things I didn't like for example the Bikini Contest (it was more like a peer pressure contest but it was entertaining) & how they wouldn't let people race if they didn't have long pants or sleeved shirts. Those are little things.
there will be those that always NOT appreciate the bash... it was cool the one year i went, hell i met you the jersey guys, mods, people i;ve agreed and disagreed with over the years, new people i didnt really know, etc....
but like above, when people dont get something handed to em, alot of people are spoiled that they expect everyone to tell em to put this or that on their car, or to do this mod next, or that mod...and if they dont get the answer they wanna hear you;re being mean to em. with the bash if they dont get the dream outcome they want, then it sucked and was the worst thing ever.
last year the bash was more docile than i have heard about through the years (no hotel whores, late night wild stuff, or alot of drunk people)... there were a few wild things and scary things even that occured, but mostly docile... but hell on sat night i stayed out till 7 am hanging out with a few illinois, ny, and va, and md people and made my stay in ohio fun...
usually anything in life is what YOU make of it... alot simply expect it to be autodrive...
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Aside from the bash...lack of manners is being like a virus here. I personally see JBO as a place where us as one of the "underdogs" in the Sport Compact World can come together and be like Brothers and Sisters amongst each other. I do see this happening but are the people who don't show this. For example, some of you probably read this, in the Newbies forum someone asked about where to get stickers, all of a sudden here come these jerks who see a topic saying "Stickers" and want to bash the person because they think "Stickers are gay". Seriously, if you don't like something that someone does to their car, why do you care? Why are you sitting at your PC trying to put someone down cause they have something on their car you don't like? Does it make you feel better than them? I see people like that and it makes me mad. Of course everyone has different tastes, different styles and just overall different approaches to cars. If they want to put APC stickers all over their car...let them, IT'S NOT YOURS!
thats gonna occur.... appearance wise, add what you want. thats just my view...
but....... with as many cliques, different tastes and egos about my car is better....all the car show posts where someone complains they shoulda won this over that car....
quite simply when it comes to appearance, theres way too much ego in the sport compact world. its like bodybuilding, for MOST to compete, you need the ego to push you to presenting yours better than the others.
but on the stickers ordeal.... alot of narrow mindedness out there. check the search in the appearance forum...
normally, if your car isnt EXACTLY like the person who comments, then its rice, gay, or some other egotistical BS.
to be honest, i kinda prefer cars like nj honda killa and darkstars......MAIN REASON>>>>
i get tired of seeing meets, or going to em, and seeing 15+ cavaliers all black, silver, red, or blue.....allegedly clean look, no wheels, same stock or aftermarket body kits.... and nothing else...
now thats cool if thats your like, keep what you like, no prob with that, but variety and change is always good.
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Instead of people being helpful, there is being more criticism. If someone asks you what kind of exhaust setup to get, either answer their question or don't. Saying to them "Use the search button" is just a plain rude thing to say. You have to look at it from their shoes...you don't know much about cars and you need advice on what header to get and your serious about your question. You ask which is better or what to get and then someone has the nerve to say "Use the search button"? Come on...they want to get a majority advice to their post, not to someone elses. I don't care if someone asks a question that has been posted a million times, I answer them whole heartedly and honestly.
yea but alot of newbs around here cant deal with honesty....
thats a problem.... when they ask you whats the best ETC.... realistically there isnt a best.
and telling one to use the search button? hell i think we all agreed to the rules here when we signed up.... being helpful was one of em, and another was using the search button to find questions asked over and over and over....
i dont consider myself a car god, as some have said, i dont consider myself a guru... i simply consider myself someone that started out and when i asked a question, and someone said search for ETC....
i did.... i didnt b__ch and moan about "i want an answer NOW!"
i simply did the search, and over time from reading search results, i saw answers to OTHER questions i HAVENT EVEN ASKED YET......
funny how that works.... if you search on a subject cause you wanna know "what intake options do i have, and in the process of learning about the number of options you actually read info on how things work, and what intakes are better for this or that.....
people dont say "search" to be rude.... people say it to direct someone to actually educate themselves....
you cant help people that dont make an effort to help themselves.....
in the past 1.5 years, in the performance forum alone i STILL see the same exact people asking the same exact questions on what "cold air intake is the best"..... true issue. and yes its the SAME PERSON cause i saved their post when it got outta hand and got funny..... and then low and behold 1 and a half years later, they are still asking the same question. same exact question.
there are plenty of posts and people like that here. dont know if any of you have worked with mentally disturbed kids, but after 2 years of working at sheppard pratt in towson, md as a resident assistant.... the only people i know that ask the same question over and over again on purpose were those with mental issues.... and with the kids there, thats something they cant help....
most people on here however, can....
the problem is, so many people are so lazy, dont wanna listen to legit answers, or use the excuse... "well my friend in a hyundai ran those coilovers and it didnt need bearings" (an actual reply in the suspension forum), or get pissed off when someone uses a smiley face other than the BS , UNHAPPY and WTF ones....
all the rest are usually joking around smiley faces...
with the more people here, there are more people that simply are too sensitive to be on the internet for long periods of time...
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To people who have other vehicles than Jbodies that come here. I would never put you guys down cause you don't own a sunfire or cavalier...some people like cars that they don't have (for example I like Camaros but I don't have one cause I can't afford it). I appreciate the people who have other cars and contribute to the site in a positive manner. But there are the ones who are ONLY members here to talk trash. There has been plenty of times where in the Versus forum there could be a race between a Cavalier and a Prelude and all of a sudden BOOM, 10 posts from Prelude owners that DON'T have a profile and don't post regularly. That is sickening. Also, there are the people who compare their vehicle to ours when they aren't even in the same category. If someone says my car runs low 15s, don't reply to them saying well my Camaro SS runs low 13s with bolt ons...seriously no one cares. Your insight and cockiness is not appreciated.
that part, while it does suck.... will never cease....
reason, there are a crap load of cavalier and sunfire drivers who do the same on other forums... and as long as there is power and or speed involved, egos once again run rampant.
you should check out a few of the powerlifting and athletic forums i visit.... i;ve seen people get cracked on cause they cant bench 350lbs, but they squat close to what i do in the 700 lbs range...
the person making fun of em, can bench 350 and only squat 300.... kinda sad.
but that egocentric stuff.....everywhere.
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I think people seriously forget what it's like to be new to something and don't put themselves in other peoples shoes. I don't know...maybe it was the way I brought up but I follow "treat people like you would want to be treated" saying.
well for me, i;ve been playing sports all my life... being the rookie at something isnt anything new.... when i was 5 years old i was large enough to be "snuck on the 8 year old tackle football team" but as a rookie, 8 year olds will tease 5 year olds... they accepted me, but i got my rookie hazing....same thing in highschool, same thing in college football.
i didnt whine and complain when people cracked jokes, were sarcastic, etc... its part of the bonding. hell you all should have seen talent night my freshmen year of college football.
but the point is, the way i was brought up, was you take a joke, take advice from people, even if it means using the search button....
when i started on cars, scruf wasnt there telling me this and that all the time, alot of times he told me to read or look up something, buy this or that book....
and even still today i am still learning about stuff....
main difference between me and the new guy or girl who gets pissed off cause someone said "search" is the fact that i am taking the effort to learn, while they waste their time pissed off at someone via the internet.
in closing... its no different than in school. everyone here should have passed through it or are passing through it....
if you study on your own in addition to all the small things you learn, but you make that extra effort to read other things... you usually end up with a extremely high GPA...
you hear only what the teacher says and dont apply yourself at any other time or make an effort to learn outside of what was told to you.... you normally just scrape by..... B-'s C;s arent really spectacular...
everyone else who doesnt apply themselves at all, get pissed cause they cant have their way and always want to rebel.... D;s and F;s...
the people on here who have accomplshed things you can tell who did there homework and who sat around doing jack crap. whether you wait for someone to make a part for you that you learned how to use, or waiting for gravana to release an improved product, etc....
the guys claiming they make so much money but are always broke, and are gonna do this and that and never do it.... and always complain...... D's and F;s
those who put their mind to things, save up, do some searching and reading and read all the repetitive stuff for new info....
A;s and B+;s
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I think that the JBO can change if they actually can take a moment to think before they post. I'm not trying to bitch about the JBO being this and that...I love the JBO and personally it's changed my life for the better. I just want to see this place get better instead of get worse.
That's all I have to say...do you guys agree with anything I say?
i agree with alot you say if not all you say... you know that from the phone....we see eye to eye pretty much...
jbo isnt gonna get much better with the morale here though.... its not so much the cars that are the problem and lack of parts... its more or less the people and the effort they put behind the cars... and how they portray themselves to others in real life...
quick test for anyone..... hang out with an older crowd who are genuinely into cars in general..... THEN hang out with an older crowd who are genuinely into THEIR cars...
then do the same for younger crowds and try and make it NOT just the cars you own....
you;ll find that most meets where people accept the effort of ALL cars, theres rarely any BS.... maybe a few razzin jokes, but nothing any different than what you get when you are the rookie on a sports team...
when you hang out with people who are into ONLY their style or type or brand of car things change....
as an example of when things change.... heres a quote posted in here 2-5 days ago...
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Rodimus Prime
Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:44 AM
actually it comes from rice burners, making fun of asian cars, which ill continue to do every day of the week because they are inferior and I generally dispise the stupidity of the average american for thinking asian cars are so wonderful, they arent...they are made by short men with small penises
now with quotes like that, honestly, do you think thats inviting to outside cars, like with what was mentioned about the prelude driver?
with as much immaturity in teens and early 20;s and sometimes even more...the ego factor pretty much will cause hatred towards anyone who drives a cavalier. its rodimus primes view and i respect its his view, but highly disagree on it.......
but saying asian cars are inferior.....just perpetuates the cycle of disrespect towards our own cars as well as other cars...
i rest my case....
But just from general knowledge I have probably saved my one friend about $800, just from what I've read.
