jackalope: Bill Clinton had no military service. He was in England becoming a Rhodes scholar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
^^^ Note there is no information regarding military service.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm
^^^ Old article from the RNC faithful Washinton Post.

The upshot of the proceeding articles is this:
- barely was admitted to TX ANG as a pilot. After some serious string pulling, he avoided the draft.
- Did reasonably well as a pilot, but 2 years into his 6 year commitment, he was no longer interested in flying, and was unobserved for a 2 year period. During that time, his C/O was not informed that Bush was transferred to Alabama's ANG (which has no aircraft) in order to help a friend of then senator GHW Bush get elected in Alabama.
- 4 Years after securing an ANG billet, he returned to TX, and despite a LOT of credit make-ups, he was still 75 credits from completion of his obligation... These were essentially "comped" to him, and he finished his commitment.
- Kerry, on the other hand, was in Vietnam, he was observed in combat, and he did return as a decorated soldier (bicker all you want about the veracity of it, he was actually there). There is a real difference... Kerry actually saw combat in vietnam while Bush sleezed out of it. I don't think anyone that has never been in actual combat has any business calling himself a "War President" because he's never been in a WAR at all.

Regarding Iraq: 75% of the UN general Assembly opposed the motion to invade Iraq, as well as the Security council. Hell, the US tried to cajoll NATO into invasion, with NO clear success. Either everyone is in, or nothing gets invaded... World politics at its finest. The clear thrust was that Iraq was developing Nuclear weapons and had scores of stocks of undeclared CBRN components etc. There was no good intel in Iraq for 3 years preceeding the invasion. I have to say that going into a battle without intel is like going in without bullets.

Regarding the Media: There is NO LIBERAL BIAS. The DNC doesn't have hundreds of overly funded "think-tanks" pumping junk-Stories so the mainstream press will pick up on it. CATO, and the Heiritage foundation release numerous "studies" weekly to float the idea that everything republican is good... While the Hudson institute retains no funding from the DNC, they're usually more objective. (Fair means give everyone a voice even the unpopular, objective means give the facts precedence and bollocks to the viewpoints... let people think for themselves.)

Regarding oil prices: you have an administration whose campaign was financed by big oil, and both the President and VP are former oil company heavies... you're not getting out of the "Oil crunch" until someone else (ie. not another Bush) is in office. If you want to fix the price of oil, lobby your congress and senate reps to push the president to sell some of the Strategic domestic oil reserve, last time 2.8 million barrels fixed the gas price problem, this time, you'd need about 10-20 million.. there's only 680 million barrels left after that.

Regarding Op. Desert Storm/Desert Shield:
-UN Operation, Multi-national force (I know a bunch of guys that went there )
-Narrowly mandated to liberate Kuwait from illegal occupation and protect Saudi Arabia respectively.
-No question there were egregious acts on the part of Iraq

Regarding Kerry vs Bush who's better as a president:
-It's speculation as to what would be the situation now if Kerry had been elected. What if is a great kid's game.
-Both the RNC and DNC are two sides of the same self-interested coin.

Regarding Supercharger/Turbo installations:
-Both are used to increase volumetric efficiency.
-Proper tuning increases efficiency as well.
-It's up to you to decide whether you want to dollop on Gas or use the compressors as they were designed for.
-Good driving habits will save you more than any other means of gas-saving (make one trip instead of 2, go 3-4 mph UNDER the limit, keep windows up, limit the use of the A/C, keep the car in good tune and air pressure at the correct amount, remove unnecessary junk from the car for daily running, don't let the car idle for more than 30 seconds when not in traffic).
-Less gas used is more money saved: Take the BUS




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Agustin: i think you'll agree with me on this...

It's not jsut the Democrat and Republican parties...so, why are those the only two that are invided to the debates, except when the throw a token candidate in here and there every some-odd years (see also: Perot).

I think that no matter what, they should make it so that if you're on the ballot, you can go to the debate--period.

Jack:

Bush and lies: consider this, our military intelligence (in many cases, including this one--a contradiction of terms) through he had them, with little evidence. What is the reason: "they HAVE them". not "We think they have them." Then you have so many other cover-up reasons ex post facto.

Do i think Clinton was a good president? Nope. But his lie at most pissed off his wife, and some moral and religious fundamentalists (which many do the same that he did). So he lied about his infidelity--the only casualties from his lie were about 100 million sperm in total, and let's face it--i think every guy on this board killsa total of that many on average in 1 week from the times times they have a pull. Bush, and his coterie, OTOH, IMHO deliberately obfuscated information to start a war in a foreign country using a flimsy excuse. That cost the lives of how many people?


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Ok in order cause there so much
1st Oops my bad thought he was thanks.

2nd Yes Kerry was there, For just a couple months. Did you know one of his purple hearts was for a splinter. According to his former C.O. When you recieve 3 purple hearts in combat you can go home. Wow wish I thought a splinter was a reason to get a purple heart cause I'd have stuck the s--t out of myself to leave the gulf. Sorry "war"
hero or not he's a pussy. Can't ell me otherwise, The guys I seved with were REAL heros and noone ever got to go home early cause of a boo boo.

3rd Your right the intell sucked. But we felt we had enough and the president had enough support to send in the troops. Hind sight is always 20 20 isn't it there all you monday morning quarter backs.

4th No media bias??? Are you insane? ( I know yor not ) your kidding right? Remember CNN when Clinton was pres? He could do no wrong. Now Bush can do no right. Your leaning again Gam.

5th How can Bush make the arabs sellit to us for less? Do you think I can convience G.M. to sell cars for less? Come on you know better. As for the reserves, we are at war it could be needed at anytime. Better safe then sorry. Going a little further left Gam.

6th Glad to see you approved of Desert storm thank goodness now I'll be able to sleep tonight.

7th I think I said they're all lyers didn't I?

8th You know damn good and well when you slap a blower on a car your gonna "get on it " and subsiquently use more gas.

Lastly Keeper, See the answer above numbered 7th.

Gam if you don't watch out your gonna fall over and hit your left arm on the floor! But I do realize your a product of a mostly socialist country and govt. so I understand its not all your fault. I do applaud you for at least looking beyond all the crap your Michael Myers spews all the time.



Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

1: No problemo..

2: I said he was there... I never said he deserved what he got or whatnot... I'm not one to say one way or the other, I wasn't there.

3. The dearth of intel was the big reason no-one wanted to go there. That, and there was this little place called Afghanistan that everyone was already focused on... but then again, my dad always told me to finish one thing before you start another.

4: His approval rating was 70% during the impeachment trials... That's not CNN... That's the populace. Also, kindly remember that if it weren't for Linda Tripp letting the cat out of the bag to CNN (actually the RNC darling Washington Post), Monica Lewinsky would have just been another Whitehouse clerk.

5: If you introduce lower priced competition, then the market either drops their prices accordingly, or, they lose business. Google Strategic Oil Reserve (or go <a href="http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/reserves/">here</a>, and avoid the pitfall of the CATO foundation BS, ie. not knowing Millions from Billions). The last time it was used was right after op. Desert Storm to control gas prices since Iraq's burgeoning oil exports were basically cut out of the market. Remember paying almost $2 a gallon in 1991? GHW Bush flubbed on the no new taxes promise... he had to save face for the election year.

6: I was explaining the difference between the two. Op Desert Storm and Desert Shield were mounted because of overt, and plain actions by Iraq. Iraqi Freedom was mounted on far less credible and definitely dubious grounds... Notwithstanding the fact that the mission in Afghanistan isn't even approaching the same planet as accomplished. But hey, whatever gets you through the night... I'll send you along a Mountie Teddybear, maybe that'll help

7: Not all politicians are liars, but enough of them are that the populace is pretty damned cynical about the good ones as well.

8: That being said, Read the last part about driving habits

I'm the product of my mom and dad.. didn't you take biology? okay, really, I don't like to have half the story, and I rarely (RARELY) ever take anything someone preaches as gospel at face value. I'm interrogitive by nature, and I do my best to ferret out every little detail because I don't like being presented with "reality," I like to know if the Wizard is what I see or the man behind the curtain.

Also, <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000196/">Mike Myers</a>, born in Scarborough Ont.... notable Movies: Wayne's World, Shrek, Austin Powers Franchise...

<a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601619/">Michael Moore</a>, Born in Flint, Michigan. Notable Movies: Fareheit 9/11, Bowling for Columbine, Roger & Me.

Moore is all yours, and this is the second time I've pointed that out.






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Gam if you don't watch out your gonna fall over and hit your left arm on the floor! But I do realize your a product of a mostly socialist country and govt. so I understand its not all your fault. I do applaud you for at least looking beyond all the crap your Michael Myers spews all the time.

that was probably the only thing ill ever need to hear outa u jack to finally convince me you are definately one hell of an ignorant jackass.
But thats ok i forgive you for being born that way and only having the ability to think what you are told, and not for yourself. Be proud you fought in a war, be proud u killed people, be proud your country is one of the most hated by the rest of the world because of people like you and how you think/act/treat others.

^ not that im any better but whoa you just need to get off your high horse and learn theres other things in life than fighting. But if its war you like, keep voting for people like bush because its what he will keep feeding you.
I think GAM is pretty center on his political views you, jack, just only see the one side of it, but again its how you are i suppose.

And intel sucked but you feel that you had enough evidence? one person.. bush said he has 100% proof that there were WoMD, yet none to be found now.. maybe if you all werent fed to think war is the answer to everything, and many of you didnt think you are gods of war and can win anything over anyone, which is the mentality that came following the end of the 2nd world war thnx to the killing of countless millions of civilians in japan, maybe then jsut perhapps you would see what many people that live a life connected to the rest of the world see every day. Most of those people seem to live on the coast and bordering states to canada.. coincidence? i think not. they just hear and see more of cultures other than the melting pot interior of the US of A



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Gam you'll have to excuse the interuption known as TRDCelica90 it would appear I got his panties into a bunch in another forum and he can not seem to be able to seperate the two as easily as the rest of us.

Ok TRD I so don't know what your problem is but its evident you don't like me. Guess what I don't care. I have been in many different countries around the world, How far have you even been out of the shelter of your parents house? I don't want to start with you but bound and determined to force this aren't you?

Now on to pick your waste of band width apart in the order you spewed it.

I don't name call because it shows your level but I'll step down to yours for just a minute
Cry baby little bitch. Like being called names? Didn't think so grow up or don't bother me son I've got to much to do then worry about little boys like you.

Next, Because I don't think like you I'm wrong? WOW talk about narrow minded. Gam and I have been haveing GREAT debates for a while now I respect him and JOKE around with him about falling over to the left. He inturn jokes I'm gonna fall over to the right but We NEVER fight about it. So please mind your own business unless your going to share in the debate not just try to flame me cause you got a problem.

As for going to war, YUP I am proud, very proud indeed. I have 10 confirmed kills against an enemy army during combat. Did I enjoy killing them? NO. Did I have a
choice? NO. It was me or them and I chose me but thanks for your concern. And yes I can sleep just fine at night thanks.

I do not like war but at times its nessacary its never right to kill people but sometimes you have no choice. Unfortuneatly we need someone like Bush at times. I've said SO
many times before that I think hes an idiot but when given the choice of him or who the dnc put forth in the past few years that unfortunatly voting has become about keeping the worst person out of office and as of late it been the dems. I voted for Clinton did
you?

Ok so you know nothing other then what you hear on the 6:00 news thats obvious.
Let me educate you on a couple FACTS since this is an area you know little about.
The President handed out 6 medels to Russian spies for there gathering of intell that
showed Saddam had WMD's. There was a news conference in where the Russian Prime Minister Vladimer Putten said that his govenment was sure Saddam was harboring WMDs as well but that he wanted to try a more diplomatic approch to the problem then just going to war. Remember Russia got the everyloving crap kicked
out of them in Afganistan back in the 80's. WHOOPS my bad you wernt born untill 84
so you would have still been playing in the sand box and didn't know about this.

That mentality of the USA being bad assed wasn't just brought about by the ending of WWII but all the wars we had fought over the countries entire history. Maybe you should go learn about history before you try to lecture me on it.
Those countless poor citizens in Japan died because of there Emporor backing the US into a corner. Be glad we won or you would either be speeking Japanise or German right now.

Lastly I would love to know who you think you are for disrespecting every member of our armed services who have died in combat over this countries history? If you don't like it here move the hell out noone will miss you. You have absolutly no clue in the world as to what your talking about do you? If you did then you wouldn't even say it. Thats Ok
we were all young at one time. I just hope when you look back at yourself in 10 years
you realize what an ass you made of yourself.



Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Jack: The russians got the everloving crap kicked out of them by a numerically and munitions inferior force. Ring a little bell?

If you want to tell someone to crack open a history book, you might do well to read up as well.. Read about the American Expansionist Regime of 1812... and how they got pounded due south by a few hundred loyalists and a couple of clumsy bands of indians.

You can thank Canadians for the fact that the Whitehouse is in fact, White. (used to be grey and sooty black for the longest time)

One last thing: Disagreeing and voicing disapproval of the current or past administration isn't unamerican, and it's not disrespectful of any person that served in the military. Those that fought, and those that died, did so to protect that right. Don't speak for anyone other than yourself in that regards.

The Russian spies you're referring to weren't on the ground in Iraq.. they're sigs personell. Plus, GSB can't figure out everything that's happening INSIDE Russia (ie. mafia), and if 4 other intel agencies (ie, GS-9, CSIS, HMIS, CIA/NSA/NSIA triumverate) can't credibly say that there was or wasn't anything "interesting," it would be better to find out before you commit a collossal act of folly. But then again, this isn't hind sight, it's foresight.




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jackalope wrote:As for going to war, YUP I am proud, very proud indeed. I have 10 confirmed kills against an enemy army during combat. Did I enjoy killing them? NO. Did I have a
choice? NO. It was me or them and I chose me but thanks for your concern. And yes I can sleep just fine at night thanks.

I do not like war but at times its nessacary its never right to kill people but sometimes you have no choice. Unfortuneatly we need someone like Bush at times. I've said SO
many times before that I think hes an idiot but when given the choice of him or who the dnc put forth in the past few years that unfortunatly voting has become about keeping the worst person out of office and as of late it been the dems. I voted for Clinton did
you?

WHOOPS my bad you wernt born untill 84
so you would have still been playing in the sand box and didn't know about this.

That mentality of the USA being bad assed wasn't just brought about by the ending of WWII but all the wars we had fought over the countries entire history. Maybe you should go learn about history before you try to lecture me on it.
Those countless poor citizens in Japan died because of there Emporor backing the US into a corner. Be glad we won or you would either be speeking Japanise or German right now.
Lastly I would love to know who you think you are for disrespecting every member of our armed services who have died in combat over this countries history? If you don't like it here move the hell out noone will miss you. You have absolutly no clue in the world as to what your talking about do you? If you did then you wouldn't even say it. Thats Ok
we were all young at one time. I just hope when you look back at yourself in 10 years
you realize what an ass you made of yourself.

- good to be proud, but yes you DID have a choice.
- I didnt vote for Clinton, you looked up my profile you should know why.
- Just because Im only 21 doenst mean i dont read history, study history, or even perhapps know history as its written better than those that were alive during whatever era/time.
- I think GAM covered the whitehouse burning.
- I didnt say the Enola Gay shouldnt have dropped the Abomb on the 2 cities because it wouldnt have ended the war, Im saying is still wrong, and if its ok to kill millions of civilians to end a war, why dont they kill civilians today in the wars? why cant civilian targets be open to airstrikes? Wont it end the war aswell? Or did destroying 2 cities make someone realize its unecessary? Oh and btw the germans surrendered already by the time the bombs were dropped did they not? I think so, cant remember my age of 21 is a bit too young to know anything.
But Again evidence suggests Japan had 2 abomb projects of their own and were all but caughtup to usa in the research and production, So i didnt say it didnt need to be done but is still wrong, and thinking anyother way is wrong aswell.
- I dont recall dishonoring every member of the armed forces dead or alive. Sure at the time the mentality was kill or be killed, bomb or be bomed, but I am sure today the same mentalities are uncalled for and peace, resulotion can be acheived with diplomacy.. and sorry to say but u need a diplomat not bush to achieve that.



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Gam I never said it was bad to dis-agree. I said I didn't approve of his dissing all the
people who gave there lives in defence of this country.

I also know we lost some battles but altimately we won the wars. Yes you guys helped
and I am aware of this do you remember a certain post you made about about a certain
Canadien hero and I said I wished I was able to attend his funeral because such great men deserved our ut-most respect. I even said Canadien or not I would salute him.
Please don't turn this into Canada vs. USA. I'm not even anywhere near going down that road, If it at all sounded as tho I was ( don't see how ) Then I appoligize that was not my intent at all. Gam you don't need to waive that mapple leaf flag that hard o.k.
I never knocked you guys or your abilities.


Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

WOW TRD I'm impressed no name calling much better 2 thumbs up ! Welcome
to the debate glad you could make it. I'll respond in order.
1st No I did'nt have a chioce. I joined during peace time as a heavy wheeled vehicle mechanic. I didn't know a year later I'd be pulling gaurd duty and shooting at people.
Believe me dude it was no fun at all.
2nd I know you couldn't have I was merly making the point that i'm not a right wing shoot em up nut job. I vote the best person for the job not just along party lines.
3rd I don't remember him covering it previously but please see my responce above
involveing it.
4th It was a terrible shame all those people died you are 100% correct. But the Japanise had backed the US into a corner and we had no other means in whitch to defend from an all out invasion. I say this because when they hit Pearl Harbor they took out our intire Pacific fleet! Very well exicuted attack but we were left pretty defencless
in the pacific. Remember this was the 40's and there was no way we could have just pulled out of Europe and been there fast enough. We saddly had no choice.

Lastly Please do not take this the wrong way. Peace is an idea that grew from war.
Some people do not care for peace they just want the whole world. take for example
osama bin laden. Do you think he'd like to talk about makeing the world a better place?
Don't think so. he wants the world to do things his way and his religons way and he does not care who he has to kill in the processes. So you see sometimes you can't have peace till after the war has been fought.
And as to the dis-respect you showed to them it was evident by some of your statements. If you were just typing before you realy stopped and thought about what you wre saying I'm sure you could see how I could come to this conclusion. However
if that is not the case then I must appoligize to you. But it sure sounded like it to me.

See now isn't this sooo much better then random name calling? I'm sure you offer
valuable insite and advice from another point of view that would have been easily
ignored by name calling.





Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

well im not you but as i see it.
- You joined up during a peaceful time. knowing or not knowing if you would be going to war doenst change the fact you joined up and knew that someday you mite have to go to war. your training wasnt how to set up an umbrella at the beach was it? it was to prepare for a war if it were to come. Atleast thats what I would think.
- The only casualties on the actual mainland of USA was from paper balloons made fromschool kids in japan floating over the ocean, Japan couldnt ever make it to the mainland for an assult at that time. Pearl harbor was 'kamakazied' and made for a great movie ( though ben afflect coulda been replaced lol ) but the only advantage i recall in the pacific that japan had was that huge submarine that was the length of what, 2-3 of the american subs. Pretty much everythingelse was to the advantage of the allies. But yes whatever the outcome the war ended. ( though its funny how the Uboat onroute to N.Korea that was near canada, ordered to report to allied base, was intercepted by american cruisers because ...?) well doenst matter thats another discuccion.
-Now im not osama and glad for it. but I cannot say what exactly the man wanted. For all we know, it could have been the rest of the world's fault for the major problems over in the middle east, or osama could have even been given certain ideas on how to get what he wants, that sprung from say outside help at one time.. who knows. We are all responsible for what happens in this world and should all look out for the better good of everyone.
- Well sorry if it whatever i said sounded disprespectful, heck if it werent for my mother and grandfather, id be an army brat like much of the older generations of my family. I still hear from time to time my grandpa reciting events of ww2 and his brothers going on about this and that. What i remember the most is how they go on about how their father went, and died in ww1 and how that at the time everyone was all for it.. its the greatest thing to do.. serve your country and fight. WW2 came and not many people were that optimistic of it, they saw what ww1 did. ww2 came and went and yet we still seem to think its something to be proud of. I for one am not proud of our world to think that war is ever necessary to prepare for. But I am proud of those that gave their lives- key word gave -because at the time it was all that could be seen as a solution.
Now I think those that think war is necessary are afraid to lose something in hopes of a peaceful resolution.
btw my grandpa is a veteran and is so aginst the war you would wonder how he could ever have served in the RCAF during the 40's - but i still came to my own conclusions about how i feel about war in general.
-Now i cant see where this ties in but Communism is great, id be all for it.. but it just isnt going to work with the people we have in the world today as we know it. If we all realized the world could coexist, we could all learn to appreciate eachothere. communism mite someday become a reality.. but never ever aslong as war is a thought will it be possible.


now lets end this with a good song from Edwin Star, titled "War (what is it good for)"



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jack: I wasn't turning it into a Canada/USA thing... I was, however, pointing out that the US has lost a few battles, and lost them badly for one reason or another

And yeah, I wish I could have gotten out to see Smokey... His casket lay in state here for a couple of days, but I didn't hear about his death until the funeral was over. I wasn't "waving the flag" so to speak, I was noting that a lot of Americans gloss over the defeats for what ever reason... War glory isn't earned with easy wins.

-Usama bin Laden wanted what was good for his religion... he went about it with a radical bent, but he was doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. It happens... the road to hell is paved with the best intentions. I don't agree with what he's done (hell, I was volunteering for attachment to Project shock (RCMP's antiterrorism project) when I got here) but the idea was to create a peaceful muslim state... I just wonder if he realises Saudi Arabia and Oman/UAE were at war with themselves for years before WWII for a reason...

A lot of people have great ideas that just won't work in reality, the danger comes when they start forcing those ideas on others (see Israel/Palestine).




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I just losy my whole nice responce GOD I hate it here! Gam you should be proud of your country and waive that flag for all your worth. But you need to check your fellow
Canadian TRD hes apparently a communist. I did have a whole nice big responce
for you TRD but seeing how your just a commie then I'm sorry i won't bother to waste my time explaining anything to you. Just know this, That my whole family and intire country have fought againt communism since its inseption and I don't plan to stop.
If your happy to live in a concrete apartment and build tractors all day while singing about the power of the worker then by all means enjoy yourself. But do not try to come down here with spewing that crap and think you'll get very far. Go ahead try to take MY
HOUSE or MY CARS on anything I hold dear and all you'll get is a head shot. Go ahead
call me narrowminded or whatever, say I'm a big meanie who flexing his E-musscles
I don't care your a commie and nothing you say can change that. But just to show you
I'm not all talk just come on down here and let me prove it to you. My whole family has fought and died in wars to keep communism out of countries and I sure as hell will keep up the good fight.


Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Please, Jack, spare me the red-white-and-blue anti-communist bull@!#$. I'm sick of hearing cleft-pressers who obviously have their nose firmly implanted into McCarthy's *unamerican* ass rant off about communist this and communist that. Communism, like any form of government/economy, is inanimate--it's not good or evil, it's the people implimenting it that make it good or bad.

It wasn't communism that said "We will bury you", it was Keruscheiv.

It wasn't communism that killed the people at Tiennamen square, it was the people of the chinese government.

Just like it wasn't capitalism that broake the treaty with Seqouia and the Cherokees and forced them on the trail of tears, it was Andrew Jackson.

Just like it wasn't democratic republicanism responsible for the Wa@!#$e River--it was Custer.

So pelase, spare us the communist this and communist that--be it communism or capitalism--if it's poorly implemented it's going to suck like Paris Hilton on Prom Night.

Just because someone doesn't agree with the way the government is doing things doesn't make them a "communist", itr makes them a true american because they are excercising their right to dissent and voice their opinion. Those are the gurights guarenteed to us by the consitution, that are supposed to be upheld by the government and the military, but instead the government is milking them away under the illusion of security while they use the "disposable" heroes of our armed forces to line their pockets with green for their own agendas.

How's that different from the "big, red menace?" huh?


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jackalope wrote:Go ahead try to take MY
HOUSE or MY CARS on anything I hold dear and all you'll get is a head shot.

jackalope wrote:And kill someone over your car and see how much a judge or jury understands that.

Shrug.


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Hes not American hes Canadien. Sorry if you feel that way keeper but I've lost family
fighting communism so I won't appoligize for being dead set against it. This goes for you too, if your happy to give up all you own for the greater good of your fellow communists then by all means have fun. I hope its everything you ever dreamed it would be. Just make sure you don't post things like this under communist rule because you'll dis-appear. Enjoy your car? Well not under communist rule. You'll have to shair with everyone else. Also enjoy liveing where you are told to live working where
you are told to and not being able to better yourself and your family. Keeper if my being glad I live here and am willing to fight for what I have is flag waiving then yup i'm gonna waive it all day and night. In fact I have a flag out right now at home insupport of all our troops fighting so hard foe what you guys could care less about. Its a shame you don't understand that without us "flag waivers" YOU wouldn't have the ability to complain about the very govt that protects your ingreatful butts. Keeper your so far off base with some of your asumptions that your almost as far gone as your commie friend.

I have a great idea for you guys Why not go to a communist country and live there for a while and see how great it is. Just remember watch what you say or POOF your gone
Oh and the constitution your speeking of Keeper doesn't exist in those countries so please enjoy have no rights at all.

As for me I'm happy here thanks just the same waiving my little flag while holding my big gun and dareing you to try and take it away.
So if your feeling froggy then jump I'm not worried.



Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

Communism itself isn't the problem. It's the fact that the human brain mostly isn't capable of being responsible and reasonable with so much power. That is what makes it safe to say communism is bad.




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AGuSTiN, its not just about posestions but a way of life. If you too would like to roll over and give away everything you've worked for and your whole way of life then hey you too
can have a lovely concrete apartment and be told where to work and what to do. But
sorry I enjoy the freedoms that as an American I can have. So go ahead go live under a communist dictatorship and see how much you enjoy it.

Your all a bunch of freeks If you want to live like that. Go ahead have fun but you may want to practice the goose step before you move that way your prepaired for it.



Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

TRD I would like to respond to some of your statements from your post in response to Jackolope.
1. I went into the Air Force towards the end of the Vietnam war. I was trained to fix ground radar. I WAS NOT TRAINED TO FIGHT OR KILL. All career fields in the military do not train to kill. If war does come and you are shown how to protect yourself. The main fighting is done by the infantry. Just because I was in the Air Force doesn't mean that I was trained to fly a plane and drop bombs during a conflict.

2. Japan could have made it to the mainland of the USA. In fact, they had several subs a short distance from California monitoring our communications. They even had a battle in the Aleutation Islands. That 's a part of Alaska if you didn't know. The Japanese didn't come to mainland because they did not have a viable plan to takeover the entire US.

I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. TRD, if you are going to make comments, be sure your facts are correct. If not, they will get slammed.


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YUP power curupts and absolut power corupts absolutly. This is the reason our govt was divided into parts. So noone person or branch had absolute controll. Out govt.
may not be perfect and at times it may even be dead wrong, but its still just about the best in the world. Why do you think all these people from all over the world want to come here? America is still the land of opertunity for the whole world. So our
fore-fathers must have done something right.

But by all means if anyone doesn't like it leave. We don't want you anyway, that and theres a whole lot of people the whole world over who given the oppertunity would switch with you in a heart beat. So bye, bye. Don''t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.



Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

jackalope wrote:AGuSTiN, its not just about posestions but a way of life. If you too would like to roll over and give away everything you've worked for and your whole way of life then hey you too
can have a lovely concrete apartment and be told where to work and what to do. But
sorry I enjoy the freedoms that as an American I can have. So go ahead go live under a communist dictatorship and see how much you enjoy it.

Your all a bunch of freeks If you want to live like that. Go ahead have fun but you may want to practice the goose step before you move that way your prepaired for it.

I'm a little dizzy trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion I wanted to live in concrete apartments under a dictatorship.


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jack: the communism you say u fought, and family fought and will keep on fighting is what? its not really communism.. the actual idea of what communism is has never been implemented, the USSR was not a true communist country, no place ever has been or ever will be. but the idea exists and is still the best way for society to live in.. go look up the definition of what communism is.. but knowing you and how set your ways are you will come up with how you know what it is and means and how it says you have to live in concrete buildings and such....

If USA was so great why do so many places despise it? why do many americans pretend to be canadian when over in europe and other countries? because America is seen to be as ignorant and useless as your figurehead, that rite now is bush.

Gary: sure they had subs near alaska.. a population at the time low enough not to bother looking up, aswell as the allied forces had subs near their land,, heck id love to see your views on how japan would be able to make and assult on american soil and actually do much damage, one sub isnt gonig to do much its there to spy not attack if it could attack and win, it would have.
Why were you trained to fix ground radar? for what? for seeing how many beach balls are being tossed around the air at the beach? no war. war. war. is the reason there is an army you knew what could happen, you knew what you may end up doing. its preparing for war. in war there are casualties. if you didnt think you would be doing anything to contribute to deaths, then im sorry for you lack of foresight at the time.



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AGuSTiN sorry if you thought I meant you I was generalizing my bad. I'm glad your not
a commie too.



Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

TRD oh whatever your not in this country so I'm not worried about you. Enjoy your communist life style. I wont be responding to anymore of your posts as your not worth my time. Have a nice day goodbye.


Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.

TRD. Ground radar is the same thing that helps Air Traffic Controllers bring aircraft in at all the major airports. It's not for just war. It is to help bring in aircraft at a landing field. I bet now you're going to say that radar was made just for military fighting aircraft. At first, yes. That was because the military developed the technology. Shame you weren't in the military. Yes, I knew that maybe I would have to go to Nam, but I was lucky I didn't. I wasn't trained to fight. I was trained to repair radar. My foresight for death, come on. It was war time. You might want to check my profile before you start babbling childish things you know nothing about first hand.
They had more than just a sub near the Aleutations. There was even a battle there. You might want to look it up in the history books. Read my post. They did not have a viable plan.


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