okay.. wait a min..
Saint, I don' t know if I'm missing what you're saying, but I think I am...
You're travelling less and using the same amount of fuel as someone travelling twice and much.
It sucks...
I had a pickup for a while, but I never worried about Gas prices.
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cchevyboy1986 wrote:what does it matter if he "MAKES REFERENCE TO MAKING TRIPS AS THE REASON HE USES THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAS", he is only stating that he uses the SAME AMOUNT OF GAS AS OTHERS
I dont know maybe im reading the way you wrote that the wrong way but to me it sounded like you were being a smarta$$ to to batman for him saying he can relate to saints point
If that's the reason he used the same amount of gas (carrying stuff), then thats a good reason.
But it seems to me that he simply assumes that a 30mpg somehow lasts half as long as his 12mpg truck, which is an assumption that is faulty in all kinds of ways. "he is only stating that he uses the SAME AMOUNT OF GAS AS OTHERS" would be wrong in almost all scenarios.
I just want to know WHY that assumption is made. I'm not a mind reader, and if you and Batman are, I know some scientists who would like to talk to you.
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Yeah what does it matter? Who the hell are you arguing with? No one is even debating whether he should get an economy car or not. Damn....
i dont think I or anyone else said ANYTHING AT ALL about him buying an economy car, as i first stated
cchevyboy1986 wrote:saint i know what your are saying
guys it dont matter how far he can go, he is only using as much fuel as someone who get 30mpg and fills up once a week, THE SAME AMOUNT, even though he cant go as far
i was just trying to simplify it for everyone else who was disagreeing with him...
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i was just trying to simplify it for everyone else who was disagreeing with him...
YES! See, that's the problem. You're expecting us to accept a conclusion to a premise we
don't accept.
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AGuSTiN wrote:cchevyboy1986 wrote:what does it matter if he "MAKES REFERENCE TO MAKING TRIPS AS THE REASON HE USES THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAS", he is only stating that he uses the SAME AMOUNT OF GAS AS OTHERS
I dont know maybe im reading the way you wrote that the wrong way but to me it sounded like you were being a smarta$$ to to batman for him saying he can relate to saints point
If that's the reason he used the same amount of gas (carrying stuff), then thats a good reason.
But it seems to me that he simply assumes that a 30mpg somehow lasts half as long as his 12mpg truck, which is an assumption that is faulty in all kinds of ways. "he is only stating that he uses the SAME AMOUNT OF GAS AS OTHERS" would be wrong in almost all scenarios.
I just want to know WHY that assumption is made. I'm not a mind reader, and if you and Batman are, I know some scientists who would like to talk to you.
well i dont know what you mean by him using the same about of gas is wrong in almost all scenarios
BUT, think of it this way he is using 26 gallons, and so is the econo car,every 2 weeks that is. its not like hes hogging up everyones gas, he is simply using as much as everyone else, gallon wise that is. he just cant go as far as the "econo-car" can..
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i was just trying to simplify it for everyone else who was disagreeing with him...
YES! See, that's the problem. You're expecting us to accept a conclusion to a premise we don't accept.
thats what i dont understand is why you guys cannot see it that way, maybe its just me and saint and batman who think this way. but im sorry i just dont see where you are coming from
and btw i am not a mind reader although maybe batman is, we'll have to wait to see what he says on that one
ok lets try this..simplify what your trying to say to be as easy as possible for me to understand. to help me understand where you are coming from. here is mine
-he is only using 26 gallons every 2 weeks as is the econo car
cchevyboy1986 wrote:ok lets try this..simplify what your trying to say to be as easy as possible for me to understand. to help me understand where you are coming from. here is mine
-he is only using 26 gallons every 2 weeks as is the econo car
Here's my simple reply....
why?
Possible Answers:
1 - He's hauling loads.
2 - He's driving shorter distances. (312 miles vs 780 miles)
Before you answer, here's another question if you go with 1 or 2..
Is it a fair comparison?
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Alright, so he's using the same amount of gas to drive LESS. That's what we call WASTEFUL. If someone drove his car the same as an econocar then they'd use alot more gas and would fill up at least 3 times a week. The point of being and ECONOMICAL car is to save MONEY and use LESS GAS. Geez, it's not that hard to understand. You're being wasteful because you have the chance to save gas by driving an econocar and filling up every 3 weeks or using ~230 gallons a year (give or take recreational driving) instead of using 676 gallons a year. So you're wasting 400+ gallons a year as opposed to an econocar that drives the same as you. It's not a matter of using the same amount of gas, it's getting more out of the same amount of gas.
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right, he's using the same tangible amout of gas...
However, depending on the situation, he's not using it as efficiently.
While in your standard 2-week i use about 1 tank, wich is approx 13 gallons, and go about 300 miles, depending on traffic. So, technically, i'm using half the gas he is in the same period.
This of course is all relative to your situation. Take Saint and I and compare, same 2 week span, same mileage, he's using twice as much gas. Now, if he's hauling stuff, people, etc--somethign that would not necessitate a large V8--then it's very inefficient. However, if you loaded Callisto up with cargo, then, especiallty with the hilly terrain out here, her efficiency will drop like Rodimus' jaw if he saw girl-on-girl action between the Olsen Twins, and his vehicle would be the better choice.
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cchevyboy1986 wrote:ok lets try this..simplify what your trying to say to be as easy as possible for me to understand. to help me understand where you are coming from. here is mine
-he is only using 26 gallons every 2 weeks as is the econo car
You can't just say a truck and an econo car are equal because they use the same amount of gas in 2 weeks. If he was using an econo car INSTEAD of the truck, he would use LESS gas since he would get more miles per gallon.
If you don't understand that, I'll put it in another way. He is comparing himself driving a truck with ANOTHER PERSON driving an econo car. Apples to oranges.
What I don't understand is how this discussion can go to 2-3 pages......
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ok well i cannot remember if he said anything about hauling loads or not, but yes, 2 - He's driving shorter distances. (312 miles vs 780 miles) . however im not saying thats right or wrong, i just stated my view on it and how that since hes not using any more gas than the other guy, we dont know his situation, maybe he hauls load under a regular basis, (ex.) i have a fourwheeler, snowmobile, and a roadbike, and all i have is my econo car, i cannot haul any of these things with my car, and i would love to have a truck to just use as a work/play truck/and to haul my stuff. although i do not at this current point in time.
anyways what im trying to say with that is I for one dont know if he is using a truck as a "truck was originally intended for or not but that is just not our choice and there is nothing we can say that is gonna change is mind or his reasoning for having the truck. its was his choice and he got a truck.
now...i am understanding where all you guys are coming from now, yes i do understand that by taking the amount of miles he accually drives and if he were using an econo car it would be more economical but it is his sacrifice to not drive it 500miles per week and in turn he is using no more gas than the econo car.
maybe he would drive more if he had an econo car, i dont really know, but since he has a truck at least he has taken the sacrifice to not waste anymore gas than "the econo car"
if you guys can see what im saying
and like i said yes i do realize that if he had a car it would be more economical on his part
now i never intended to argue on for this long, at first i was just trying to simplify what he was saying incase you all did not see where he was coming from.
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What I don't understand is how this discussion can go to 2-3 pages......
well at least he has something to read when he comes back to this post
Are you suggesting that the people with econocars are driving for no reason?
You say the guy with the truck "sacrifices" and drives less, so, no recreational driving?
If so, you are assuming that the econocar driver is driving for recreation. I don' think many people do that really, just teenagers and other young people. Eventually the costs of ownership and fuel bear down on you and you drive very little. I have a motorcycle that I drive recreationaly, both of my cars are driven strictly for valid purpose, work, groceries, building supply stores etc. I go as far as taking the most efficient car available. If I have to run to the store and both cars are home, I drive the Neon, leaving a Talon TSi AWD at home. I don't do it to be some kind of responsible citizen either, it purely to save me money. Everyone I know is like that.. There are no "cruises" anymore, more like movies at home. It simply costs too much to drive.
The bike shocked me the other day when a ride on it cost me $19 in fuel! Thank goodness the fuel prices relaxed a bit or it would stay parked this weekend.
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well i dont really care if they drive recreationally or not, its just the plain and simple fact that he isnt driving as much, and yes i wont lie to you, i waste alot of gas just driving around, and yes i to do have a motorcycle also and am starting to use that more often now.
and obviously you guys have picked your side, and so have i, so im done with this post..
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what the HELL are u guys arguing for!!! i explained all this in my post already!!!
Nathaniel wrote:you get 312 mpt (miles per tank) and fill up 26 gallons every two weeks.
eco car gets 390 mpt and fills up 13 gallons every week.
ur suv 2 weeks and 26 gallons = 312 miles
eco in 2 weeks and 26 gallons = 780 miles
ur car takes 26 gallons to go 312 miles
eco car takes 10.4 gallons to go 312 miles
in one year if you consistantly drove every two weeks at 312 miles that would be a total of about 8112 annual mileage.
and it would have taken you 624 gallons of fuel to do this annually.
if you did that same mileage in a eco car
it would be 8112 annual milage.
but you would have only needed 270 gallons of fuel annually.
do u understand how insane it is to propose what you are proposing?
if u compare his truck and a eco car doing the same mileage annually theres a HUGE difference in how much gas is used. 270 vs 624... read above.
and if ur trying to compare truck doing 312 miles vs a car doing 780... yes they would use about the same gallons per year. but why in the heeby jeebies would u compare that? ur talking about how efficient/inefficient gas usage between to cars is. and then u dont even have the mileage the same??? thats just completely illogical.
fact of the matter is if both cars did equal annual mileage of 8112 (which is the ONLY way to compare the wastefulness of 2 said cars)
the eco car uses 270 gallons of fuel
suv uses 624 gallons of fuel
i honestly cant believe some people are not understanding this.
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Plain and simple.. If you are not hauling more than a car can handle, a truck (of just about any kind) is a waste of fuel. That why vehicles are rated in MpG and not.. "well you'll drive it less" ratings.
For that matter, an empty van is a waste too.. Heck even a big car with only one or two passengers is also a waste. People should drive the most efficient vehicle that can handle the job.. That's not going to happen, but nobody except loggers, farmers and construction workers etc should have a truck as a primary vehicle.
Trucks not only waste fuel, they also are less safe in a collision, use more rubber, and cause more wear on the road surfaces. If people were courtious or conscientious there would be far fewer truck on the road (SUVs are included in that).
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Was wondering the same thing.
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Nathaniel wrote:what the HELL are u guys arguing for!!! i explained all this in my post already!!!
Nathaniel wrote:you get 312 mpt (miles per tank) and fill up 26 gallons every two weeks.
eco car gets 390 mpt and fills up 13 gallons every week.
ur suv 2 weeks and 26 gallons = 312 miles
eco in 2 weeks and 26 gallons = 780 miles
ur car takes 26 gallons to go 312 miles
eco car takes 10.4 gallons to go 312 miles
in one year if you consistantly drove every two weeks at 312 miles that would be a total of about 8112 annual mileage.
and it would have taken you 624 gallons of fuel to do this annually.
if you did that same mileage in a eco car
it would be 8112 annual milage.
but you would have only needed 270 gallons of fuel annually.
do u understand how insane it is to propose what you are proposing?
if u compare his truck and a eco car doing the same mileage annually theres a HUGE difference in how much gas is used. 270 vs 624... read above.
and if ur trying to compare truck doing 312 miles vs a car doing 780... yes they would use about the same gallons per year. but why in the heeby jeebies would u compare that? ur talking about how efficient/inefficient gas usage between to cars is. and then u dont even have the mileage the same??? thats just completely illogical.
fact of the matter is if both cars did equal annual mileage of 8112 (which is the ONLY way to compare the wastefulness of 2 said cars)
the eco car uses 270 gallons of fuel
suv uses 624 gallons of fuel
i honestly cant believe some people are not understanding this.
I understand Nat, but really I just don't care. I would rather pay more and drive a truck then pay less and drive a car.
I have 2 vehicles right now, a nice sharp, large and comfortable 97 GTP that is capable of 32mpg on the highway, if I am easy on the speed. And, a rusty old 90 z71 short box stepside with a aging 5.7L v8, that can't get any more then 13mpg at the best of times.
However, if I had to sell one tomorrow, it would be the GTP. I would rather burn my truck then watch someone else drive it away knowing it won't come back. Does it cost more the drive? Yes. Do I care? No. It's my money and I can spend it how I see fit. Just like anyone else.
Why do I have the GTP then? I don't really know, it was kind of an impulse buy really. It is nice to have room for 5 people when I need it though.
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Gutty: if you want to ditch the GTP, give me a holler.
No, I am not kidding.
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GAM: Sorry if I gave the impression that I wanted to get rid of the GTP, I don't. It's a nice grocery getter, and I think I will be keeping it for awhile. The more kms I put on it, the less go on the truck, thus the longer I get to keep the truck. In the end, that's what's most important.
However, if I do for some reason need to get rid of the GTP, I will let ya know.
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That's what I was talking about, I didn't mean like right this very second
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Why on Earth are yiu guys argueing about this? My Cav gets about 38 mpg I can drive 400 miles on one 13 gallon tank of gas. The suv cannot. If the suv gets could get even half that kind of mileage then it would still use double the amount of gas. this is not confusing at all how is it your not seeing an suv is no where near as gas efficiant as an economy car. And I didn't see where Saint said anything about hauling anything. Theres NO WAY you can argue an suv gets anywhere near the king of mpg that a car gets.
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I see Saint's point. I am not going to read past the first 3 posts because well you anti Trock/SUV people Irratate me with your Turboed and S/C J Bodies.
Saint likes his SUV he wants to keep it. But he understands the need to conserve fuel. So instead of selling his SUV and getting a little crappy econobox he decides to alter his driving habits. He plans all of his trips accordinaly. You can eighter move closer to your place of employment. You can plan grocery trips with other trips, There are many ways to conserve.
Compare that to the person the buys the Econobox and sees that they can Drive more for the same amount of Money. This is what it is about for 90% or more for the people out there it is not saving the enviroment it is saving Money. The drive their hearts content why because they drive an econobox and they are not polluting like those bad SUV's.
Well both of my Parents Own SUV's My mom put about 20 miles if not less on her Envoy a week for work. She might put another 20 for errands. My Father puts on about 120 a week on his Trailblazer a week. My Parnets SUV's get about 22 MPG average. But they hardly ever drive.
Me I drive around like it is nothng. I jackrabbit my starts and when I am passing others. I still drive to my car shows and my other car events. I might not cruise as much as I used to but I still love driving my car.
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