Chris Crossont wrote:
You sir are the one that is misinformed about the Crusades. The original intent was to torture and kill Christians. The church of Rome wanted people to renounce Jesus Christ and to abide by the church. Pay no mind to the fact that the Protestant movement had not yet started as that was only a movement started out of the Catholic church. Christians were/are the followers of the words of Jesus Christ. Christians were, and still are in many parts of the world and soon to be in the U.S., considered outlaws. The followers of Christ have been around since the beginning (during Jesus' time on earth); the Catholic church was brought about by the Roman government in the early 300's.

Nope, established by the coucil of Nicea in 230AD, revised again twice, the last time being on or about 300AD. The Roman governement at the time was pagan and never would have established an organisation they considered dangerous to their own existance. That's why they threw christian to the lions.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Nobody but God knows the numbers of martyrs for Christ but I can promise you that it is in the millions.

Maybe true, but the crusades did not kill christians and it was not the intent. The first crusade was one priest, one knight and about 400 pesents who walked from Spain and the south of France to Jerusalem on a pilgramage. When they returned alive and well, the Pope was impressed. When they described the conditions in Jerusalem the Pope was compelled to send a larger force and try to save christian artifacts, temples and landmarks. That was the second crusade. The third crusade is the really bad one, with Pope Urban II trying to evict all non-christians from Jerusalem, claim ownership of the city and cleanse it for the comming of the holy city.. It was a bit crazy, the battles were bloody and long as well as generally unsuccessful. It was in these times that the Knights Templar were becoming greedy murderous killing machines that laid claim to enormous plots of land and money. They were then excommunicated and not further crusades were undertaken. I have studied the crusades in depth and whoever told you that their purpose was to kill Christians has little to no credibility. Historic books, and artifacts support what I have said. You story is nothing more than anti-catholic propaganda with no historic backing at all.

Chris Crossont wrote:
The assassination attempts against King James did come from the Pope. I'm sure he denied it though.

Again, you are getting this information from where? Have you never heard of the fights between the children of Henry VIII. His first born daughter Mary was a catholic where his later born daughter Elisabeth the first was protestant. Mary nearly killed Elizabeth but stopped short and allowed her to live in prison. Mary became very ill and died. The allowed Elizabeth to take the crown. She was protestant and childless when she died. She sought out the only ally she had, her cousin James of Scotland and gave him the right of assention to the English crown. The Catholics still had much power and they resented a protestant king. While the Pope likely did nothing to stop the assanation attempts, it took three months just to get a letter to England at that time and coordinating an assasination would be impossible. It was the catholics in England at the time that wanted him dead, not Rome.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Pray to saints or pray through saints; either way is wrong and goes against God's word. Saints, according to God's word and not man's, are anyone that is saved by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I am a saint and I am still here on earth so that shoots down your theory of being lifted to heaven upon becoming a saint.

Not my theory, like I said I'm not catholic. I pray to Jesus, who is not seperate from the Godhead but in fact a part of it. There is only one God.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church and not Peter. If you are also following that crazy notion that Peter was the first Pope, I bet Peter would be awful surprised at that news because he was already dead almost 200 years before the founding of the catholic church. As a sidenote, Peter was executed by the same group of people that started the Catholic church.....pretty powerful stuff.

form the king James version (1611)
Peter's Confession
Mk. 8.27-30 · Lk. 9.18-21
13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesare'a Phil'ippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I, the Son of man, am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist; some, Eli'jah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. Mt. 14.1, 2 · Mk. 6.14, 15 · Lk. 9.7, 8

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Joh. 6.68, 69

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mt. 18.18 · Joh. 20.23

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Chris Crossont wrote:
A cult is any religion or sect following a false god and forcing their members to engage in rituals or ritualistic behaviour. Eating the wafer that is supposed to be the transubstantiation of Jesus himself is a blasphemy and that practice comes from the pagan rituals of Egypt and Baal worshippers.

I suggest you grab a dictionary.. A cult is any organisation that forbids its member from contact with non-members. That's it, that's all. No further definition required.

To the rest I will say that Christ gave the first communion stating quite literally that the bread was his body and the wine his blood and that they should partake in the consumption of it. He also commanded that the tradision of Eurchrist be established. This all happened at the passover supper the day before his crusifixtion.
From John chapter 6 (KJV1611)

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 ¶ The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Caper'na-um.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Again, I stress that it is not me that I want you to take seriuosly, it is the teachings of Jesus Christ. What you think of me does not count for anything.

I take it quite seriously. Seriously enough to not be swayed by those who would mislead you. Seriously enough to know that if Catholism was truly evil God would not have allowed it to flourish. Seriously enough to recognise that without the universal church many would never have been exposed to the teaching of Christ. Seriously enough to hope that someday you will understand that God loves all of his children including you, even when you sin. Even when you defame those who are only trying to do God's work.

PAX

Guess he doesn't have an answer for that one.


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Ever notice how people tell you as Cathoic you believe something that isn't true? I had one person tell me that we worship Mary, um not quite, we pray to Mary, big difference.

Now you see the bull@!#$ those wiccans/pagans have to go through at the hands of ignorant christians--and others.

No, we don't worship satan--most of us don't even BELIEVE in satan.

No, we don't perform human, or even animal sacrifice

No, we don't curse people, it's violates the "do what ye will and harm ye none" tenet.



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John, chapter 6: The Bread of Life:

53- "Let me solemnly assure you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54- Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55-For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink..." (John 6:53-55)


Jesus said this, that unless you eat the "wafer" which is representation of Jesus' body and drink his blood (wine) you have no life in you and will not be risen up on the last day.

Peter is the rock of whom Christ spoke when he said, "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church."

According to christ himself Peter is the rock on which the chruch is built upon.

Straight from the bible.

Sorry it took me so long to reply; I got overloaded in the shop over the past day and a half. I would prefer to talk about Jesus over automotive stuff any day of the week.

Anyway, you call me idiot. I do not believe that I called you names but if it makes you feel better, feel free to fire away. Name calling is left for those with weak or no foundations.

You used the classic catholic support verses for the wafer. How about we finish the verses?

56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59. These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61. When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jesus is speaking of the spirit and not of the flesh. Even the apostles were not sure of what He meant and Jesus summed it all up for them. The Catholic religion purposely leaves out verses 63-64 when claiming that John 6 is about the eucharist. The word, "eucharist" is not even in the Bible. There is no concept of the eucharist in Bible--but there is in pagan religion...

Jesus is the rock, not Peter.

Straight from the Bible.

Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

Hahahaha wrote:

Chris Crossont wrote:
You sir are the one that is misinformed about the Crusades. The original intent was to torture and kill Christians. The church of Rome wanted people to renounce Jesus Christ and to abide by the church. Pay no mind to the fact that the Protestant movement had not yet started as that was only a movement started out of the Catholic church. Christians were/are the followers of the words of Jesus Christ. Christians were, and still are in many parts of the world and soon to be in the U.S., considered outlaws. The followers of Christ have been around since the beginning (during Jesus' time on earth); the Catholic church was brought about by the Roman government in the early 300's.

Nope, established by the coucil of Nicea in 230AD, revised again twice, the last time being on or about 300AD. The Roman governement at the time was pagan and never would have established an organisation they considered dangerous to their own existance. That's why they threw christian to the lions.

So you are suggesting that there was no Christian church prior to this?

Chris Crossont wrote:
Nobody but God knows the numbers of martyrs for Christ but I can promise you that it is in the millions.

Maybe true, but the crusades did not kill christians and it was not the intent. The first crusade was one priest, one knight and about 400 pesents who walked from Spain and the south of France to Jerusalem on a pilgramage. When they returned alive and well, the Pope was impressed. When they described the conditions in Jerusalem the Pope was compelled to send a larger force and try to save christian artifacts, temples and landmarks. That was the second crusade. The third crusade is the really bad one, with Pope Urban II trying to evict all non-christians from Jerusalem, claim ownership of the city and cleanse it for the comming of the holy city.. It was a bit crazy, the battles were bloody and long as well as generally unsuccessful. It was in these times that the Knights Templar were becoming greedy murderous killing machines that laid claim to enormous plots of land and money. They were then excommunicated and not further crusades were undertaken. I have studied the crusades in depth and whoever told you that their purpose was to kill Christians has little to no credibility. Historic books, and artifacts support what I have said. You story is nothing more than anti-catholic propaganda with no historic backing at all.

It really depends on how you define a Christian. Catholics call themselves Christians so I can promise you that the church did not come out and say that their intent was to kill Christians.

Chris Crossont wrote:
The assassination attempts against King James did come from the Pope. I'm sure he denied it though.

Again, you are getting this information from where? Have you never heard of the fights between the children of Henry VIII. His first born daughter Mary was a catholic where his later born daughter Elisabeth the first was protestant. Mary nearly killed Elizabeth but stopped short and allowed her to live in prison. Mary became very ill and died. The allowed Elizabeth to take the crown. She was protestant and childless when she died. She sought out the only ally she had, her cousin James of Scotland and gave him the right of assention to the English crown. The Catholics still had much power and they resented a protestant king. While the Pope likely did nothing to stop the assanation attempts, it took three months just to get a letter to England at that time and coordinating an assasination would be impossible. It was the catholics in England at the time that wanted him dead, not Rome.

Agreed but do not lose sight of the fact that the Catholic bishops act on behalf of the pope.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Pray to saints or pray through saints; either way is wrong and goes against God's word. Saints, according to God's word and not man's, are anyone that is saved by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I am a saint and I am still here on earth so that shoots down your theory of being lifted to heaven upon becoming a saint.

Not my theory, like I said I'm not catholic. I pray to Jesus, who is not seperate from the Godhead but in fact a part of it. There is only one God.

It appears that we may be on the same sheet of music here.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church and not Peter. If you are also following that crazy notion that Peter was the first Pope, I bet Peter would be awful surprised at that news because he was already dead almost 200 years before the founding of the catholic church. As a sidenote, Peter was executed by the same group of people that started the Catholic church.....pretty powerful stuff.

form the king James version (1611)
Peter's Confession
Mk. 8.27-30 · Lk. 9.18-21
13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesare'a Phil'ippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I, the Son of man, am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist; some, Eli'jah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. Mt. 14.1, 2 · Mk. 6.14, 15 · Lk. 9.7, 8

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Joh. 6.68, 69

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mt. 18.18 · Joh. 20.23

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

The rock is the faith in Jesus Christ, not Peter himself.

Chris Crossont wrote:
A cult is any religion or sect following a false god and forcing their members to engage in rituals or ritualistic behaviour. Eating the wafer that is supposed to be the transubstantiation of Jesus himself is a blasphemy and that practice comes from the pagan rituals of Egypt and Baal worshippers.

I suggest you grab a dictionary.. A cult is any organisation that forbids its member from contact with non-members. That's it, that's all. No further definition required.

I have checked a few internet sources and the definitions are all over the place. The catholic church did act in a cultish fashion during the Inquisition. Follow our teaching or die sounds pretty scary to me.

To the rest I will say that Christ gave the first communion stating quite literally that the bread was his body and the wine his blood and that they should partake in the consumption of it. He also commanded that the tradision of Eurchrist be established. This all happened at the passover supper the day before his crusifixtion.
From John chapter 6 (KJV1611)

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 ¶ The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Caper'na-um.

Let's finish that thought off here with:

60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61. When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jesus was speaking of the spirit and not the flesh.

Chris Crossont wrote:
Again, I stress that it is not me that I want you to take seriuosly, it is the teachings of Jesus Christ. What you think of me does not count for anything.

I take it quite seriously. Seriously enough to not be swayed by those who would mislead you. Seriously enough to know that if Catholism was truly evil God would not have allowed it to flourish. Seriously enough to recognise that without the universal church many would never have been exposed to the teaching of Christ. Seriously enough to hope that someday you will understand that God loves all of his children including you, even when you sin. Even when you defame those who are only trying to do God's work.

God is not the ruler of this world, Satan is. God is in overall control but Satan rules for right now and he works hard through the false churches. God does love all and He wants nothing more than for all to come to faith in Christ and live forever in His kingdom.
PAX

Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

Alex Yingling wrote:Guess he doesn't have an answer for that one.

Read on my friend. You can not hide the light of truth.

Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]

Quote:

Ever notice how people tell you as Cathoic you believe something that isn't true? I had one person tell me that we worship Mary, um not quite, we pray to Mary, big difference.

Now you see the bull@!#$ those wiccans/pagans have to go through at the hands of ignorant christians--and others.

No, we don't worship satan--most of us don't even BELIEVE in satan.

No, we don't perform human, or even animal sacrifice

No, we don't curse people, it's violates the "do what ye will and harm ye none" tenet.

Ignorant Christians? My friend, if you are not of God then you are of satan. There are no others. Try to clean it up all you want but unless you are a follower of Jesus Christ, you are a follower of Satan.

Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

there goes the judging lol. I'm a follower of no god or devil, and you have no right or knowledge to tell me otherwise.



15.891 @ 88 mph stock, still getting @!#$ty launches...

I am not og God--that concept doesn't exist to me. I am not of Satan (Despite people claiming i'm "Satan Made Flesh"), I think he was an amateur.

I do not follow Jesus Christ as good of ideas as the man had, I'm digusted with the blasphey his followers carry otu in his name (as i'm sure he would be)--and i especially don't follow a 2000 year old book that was changed and rewritten by man many times over the past 2000 years--no matter how "holy" people think it is. I've washed my hands of the whole mess and follow my own Path now.

If you think that makes me an agent of Satan, please, don't underestimate me. If you think i'll be going to hell, then think that all you want. But remember, if i do go to hell, i will be sing you there.


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DanteMustDie wrote:there goes the judging lol. I'm a follower of no god or devil, and you have no right or knowledge to tell me otherwise.

How do you define judging? If I were to apply your use of the word, any correction is judging.

If I saw you driving toward a bridge that had a gap in it that I knew about and you didn't, would I be judgemental in warning you of it? Or should I just let you drive over the edge and die; at least I would have known that I did not judge you.

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you judge people by telling them what they are (in that case a follower of some s hit) when in reality you have no idea about the person.

but i guess that's to be expected from a fanatic.



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DanteMustDie wrote:you judge people by telling them what they are (in that case a follower of some s hit) when in reality you have no idea about the person.

but i guess that's to be expected from a fanatic.

I do not need to know someone on a personal level as I was speaking in general terms. I tell you what, do what you want if it makes you feel good. It goes against the teachings of God but at least this way I will not be judging you (using your definition).

By the way, you judged me as a fanatic when in reality I am just doing what I am supposed to do as a follower of Jesus Christ and that is spreading the word and warning of the lies of Satan.

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fa·nat·ic
n.

A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

rea·son

An underlying fact or cause that provides logical sense for a premise or occurrence

fact

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences

re·al

Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence

need I continue ?



15.891 @ 88 mph stock, still getting @!#$ty launches...

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]I am not og God--that concept doesn't exist to me. I am not of Satan (Despite people claiming i'm "Satan Made Flesh"), I think he was an amateur.

I do not follow Jesus Christ as good of ideas as the man had, I'm digusted with the blasphey his followers carry otu in his name (as i'm sure he would be)--and i especially don't follow a 2000 year old book that was changed and rewritten by man many times over the past 2000 years--no matter how "holy" people think it is. I've washed my hands of the whole mess and follow my own Path now.

If you think that makes me an agent of Satan, please, don't underestimate me. If you think i'll be going to hell, then think that all you want. But remember, if i do go to hell, i will be sing you there.

Just keep telling yourself that. It will make you feel better for a little while I guess. By the way, you will not see me in hell. I'm going to heaven as I already cleared that up with the Lord. I hope that you come to your senses so that I can see you there too! Take care and I hope your heart softens someday.

Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

Unlikely, but thanks for the well wishes. I would most likely not go either place, but i wish you luck on your journey to heaven.


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DanteMustDie wrote:fa·nat·ic
n.

A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

rea·son

An underlying fact or cause that provides logical sense for a premise or occurrence

fact

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences

re·al

Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence

need I continue ?

Continue all you want. You are never going to sway me from the truth to a lie. I will pray for you and I pray that the Lord will soften your heart so you can accept the truth someday. I wish you no ill and only hope that someday I can call you brother.

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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]Unlikely, but thanks for the well wishes. I would most likely not go either place, but i wish you luck on your journey to heaven.

I already have a home there but I appreciate the thought. I'm afraid that after death, our final destination is no longer our decision. That goes for all of us. We choose our master here on earth.

Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

The last few verses deal with the fact that some may find the eating of flesh offesive. He explains that he is from Heaven and that he will return to Heaven and that his words must be taken as a matter of faith in the Father. No man shal come unto me except by that which was given by the Father. What was given.. The lamb of sacrifice, Jesus himself. Jesus was the lamb and eating of the flesh is an act of faith. The only way to get to heaven is to have faith that what Jesua spoke was true. You have misinterpreted what he said. He re-inforced the idea that without faith you will achieve nothing, the flesh will not profit. IE: Your Earthly ideals mean nothing in Heaven.

Remember when Peter confessed, Jesua was pleased that Peter recognised him through faith, not flesh.. He is speaking in those terms again.

In future, when quoting me, please attempt to keep your thoughts from being cited as mine.. Just put your suff at the very end if you are having difficulty with that aspect of posting. Your post above that quotes me has a paragraph that you added but it looks as if I wrote it. Thanks for correcting that in future.

PAX

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]

Quote:

Ever notice how people tell you as Cathoic you believe something that isn't true? I had one person tell me that we worship Mary, um not quite, we pray to Mary, big difference.

Now you see the bull@!#$ those wiccans/pagans have to go through at the hands of ignorant christians--and others.

No, we don't worship satan--most of us don't even BELIEVE in satan.

No, we don't perform human, or even animal sacrifice

No, we don't curse people, it's violates the "do what ye will and harm ye none" tenet.

try being a satanist keeper then talk about hearing a mound of crap from ignorant people

and no, satanists do not belevie in satan as in the christian sense of the word
we belevie that every person is just a plain old animal, and each of us are our own god and satan, our own light and dark, responsible for our own successes or failures


You'll never touch God's hand
You'll never taste God's breath
Because you'll never see the second coming
Life's too short to be focused on insanity
I've seen the ways of God
I'll take the devil any day
Hail Satan

(slayer, skeleton christ, 2006)

Chris Crossont wrote:

Emor8t wrote:I think this idiot joined just to pick a fight.


John, chapter 6: The Bread of Life:

53- "Let me solemnly assure you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54- Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55-For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink..." (John 6:53-55)


Jesus said this, that unless you eat the "wafer" which is representation of Jesus' body and drink his blood (wine) you have no life in you and will not be risen up on the last day.

Peter is the rock of whom Christ spoke when he said, "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church."

According to christ himself Peter is the rock on which the chruch is built upon.

Straight from the bible.

Sorry it took me so long to reply; I got overloaded in the shop over the past day and a half. I would prefer to talk about Jesus over automotive stuff any day of the week.

Anyway, you call me idiot. I do not believe that I called you names but if it makes you feel better, feel free to fire away. Name calling is left for those with weak or no foundations.

You used the classic catholic support verses for the wafer. How about we finish the verses?

56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59. These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61. When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jesus is speaking of the spirit and not of the flesh. Even the apostles were not sure of what He meant and Jesus summed it all up for them. The Catholic religion purposely leaves out verses 63-64 when claiming that John 6 is about the eucharist. The word, "eucharist" is not even in the Bible. There is no concept of the eucharist in Bible--but there is in pagan religion...

Jesus is the rock, not Peter.

Straight from the Bible.

First off:

pagan

adj : not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam [syn: heathen, heathenish, ethnic] n : a person who does not acknowledge your God [syn: heathen, gentile, infidel]

Catholics acknowledge God, so therefore are far from pagans. Certainly one of your more inept coments. You are merely here to stir the pot. Your a Johavahs witness of this forum. The right to judge is not given to you, it is God's alone.


Jesus says that their forefathers whom did not eat the manna died long before those who did eat the flesh. Jesus spirit and body is God's manna for human kind.


60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"

61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

This says nothing about Jesus being the rock. Jesus is quoted directly as saying this, there is no inference.

Jesus statements that you so wish to turn against me and my faith is saying that the spirit will rise to heavan, not the body. The body does no profit from the Glory of heavan.

Choose to attack my faith all you want Sir, Your statements of paganism and satanism discredit your merit more than your "facts" add to it.

You choose to attack my faith with insults of satanism or paganism. Your posts are attacks on people of other religions sir. Your overly "christian" holy than thou attitude does nothing to "convert" people to the lord. Unlike a fly to hunny, you merely discredit God with your attacks them and there beliefs. I don't to condem your faith, I respect your right to believe what you want and do not condem what ever faith you consider yourself to be, because like i said only God has the right to judge.

No more response to you, do I feel required. You shouldn't waste your time writing a rebuttle because it will fall on deaf ears. I chose not to listen to bitter people whom use blasphmous remarks as you have. The Devil quotes scripture too Mr. Crossont.

Hahahaha wrote:The last few verses deal with the fact that some may find the eating of flesh offesive. He explains that he is from Heaven and that he will return to Heaven and that his words must be taken as a matter of faith in the Father. No man shal come unto me except by that which was given by the Father. What was given.. The lamb of sacrifice, Jesus himself. Jesus was the lamb and eating of the flesh is an act of faith. The only way to get to heaven is to have faith that what Jesua spoke was true. You have misinterpreted what he said. He re-inforced the idea that without faith you will achieve nothing, the flesh will not profit. IE: Your Earthly ideals mean nothing in Heaven.

Remember when Peter confessed, Jesua was pleased that Peter recognised him through faith, not flesh.. He is speaking in those terms again.

In future, when quoting me, please attempt to keep your thoughts from being cited as mine.. Just put your suff at the very end if you are having difficulty with that aspect of posting. Your post above that quotes me has a paragraph that you added but it looks as if I wrote it. Thanks for correcting that in future.

PAX

I am not going to argue the point and I will just pray that the Lord enlightens you. I'm sure you are a great guy and I prefer to not be a roadblock to your further enlightenment.


Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

Emor8t wrote:

Chris Crossont wrote:

Emor8t wrote:I think this idiot joined just to pick a fight.


John, chapter 6: The Bread of Life:

53- "Let me solemnly assure you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54- Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55-For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink..." (John 6:53-55)


Jesus said this, that unless you eat the "wafer" which is representation of Jesus' body and drink his blood (wine) you have no life in you and will not be risen up on the last day.

Peter is the rock of whom Christ spoke when he said, "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church."

According to christ himself Peter is the rock on which the chruch is built upon.

Straight from the bible.

Sorry it took me so long to reply; I got overloaded in the shop over the past day and a half. I would prefer to talk about Jesus over automotive stuff any day of the week.

Anyway, you call me idiot. I do not believe that I called you names but if it makes you feel better, feel free to fire away. Name calling is left for those with weak or no foundations.

You used the classic catholic support verses for the wafer. How about we finish the verses?

56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59. These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61. When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jesus is speaking of the spirit and not of the flesh. Even the apostles were not sure of what He meant and Jesus summed it all up for them. The Catholic religion purposely leaves out verses 63-64 when claiming that John 6 is about the eucharist. The word, "eucharist" is not even in the Bible. There is no concept of the eucharist in Bible--but there is in pagan religion...

Jesus is the rock, not Peter.

Straight from the Bible.

First off:

pagan

adj : not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam [syn: heathen, heathenish, ethnic] n : a person who does not acknowledge your God [syn: heathen, gentile, infidel]

Catholics acknowledge God, so therefore are far from pagans. Certainly one of your more inept coments. You are merely here to stir the pot. Your a Johavahs witness of this forum. The right to judge is not given to you, it is God's alone.


Jesus says that their forefathers whom did not eat the manna died long before those who did eat the flesh. Jesus spirit and body is God's manna for human kind.


60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"

61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

This says nothing about Jesus being the rock. Jesus is quoted directly as saying this, there is no inference.

Jesus statements that you so wish to turn against me and my faith is saying that the spirit will rise to heavan, not the body. The body does no profit from the Glory of heavan.

Choose to attack my faith all you want Sir, Your statements of paganism and satanism discredit your merit more than your "facts" add to it.

You choose to attack my faith with insults of satanism or paganism. Your posts are attacks on people of other religions sir. Your overly "christian" holy than thou attitude does nothing to "convert" people to the lord. Unlike a fly to hunny, you merely discredit God with your attacks them and there beliefs. I don't to condem your faith, I respect your right to believe what you want and do not condem what ever faith you consider yourself to be, because like i said only God has the right to judge.

No more response to you, do I feel required. You shouldn't waste your time writing a rebuttle because it will fall on deaf ears. I chose not to listen to bitter people whom use blasphmous remarks as you have. The Devil quotes scripture too Mr. Crossont.

All I was saying is that I was there too for almost 30 years. I believed the lies and it was hard for me to believe the truth when it was presented to me. I felt angry and later resentful.

I do not want to argue with you at all. I am sure that you are a swell guy and I pray that the Lord enlightens you. As I said to another fellow before, I will remove myself from you as a possible roadblock as I see that I may not have it in me to show you the truth. I pray that someone else can do so. Have a great day!


Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

So I guess by Native American (in your profile) you mean white guy who was born in the US eh?

I looked at your wesite, I read the Bios... I understand what you are trying to say, but it seems that your use of language needs to be explained. You are not a native person, you need to get over yourself.

Who is the deciever here? It is you. You have ideals that you stick to and that is good, but you are poor at communicating your message effectively because you use terms that mean one thing to you and something different to everyone else. Your description of yourself as "Native American" shows enormous disrespect to those who truly are native and shows your lack of compassion for thos people. That is not very Christian of you.

You have contempt for your fellow man and you speak in a condesending tone. I hope you are enlightened someday yourself. Remember Christ's principle message was on of love for your fellows, and understanding for the rest.

You should also remmeber that without the Universal church there would be no Christians now.

PAX

Hahahaha wrote:So I guess by Native American (in your profile) you mean white guy who was born in the US eh?

I looked at your wesite, I read the Bios... I understand what you are trying to say, but it seems that your use of language needs to be explained. You are not a native person, you need to get over yourself.

Who is the deciever here? It is you. You have ideals that you stick to and that is good, but you are poor at communicating your message effectively because you use terms that mean one thing to you and something different to everyone else. Your description of yourself as "Native American" shows enormous disrespect to those who truly are native and shows your lack of compassion for thos people. That is not very Christian of you.

You have contempt for your fellow man and you speak in a condesending tone. I hope you are enlightened someday yourself. Remember Christ's principle message was on of love for your fellows, and understanding for the rest.

You should also remmeber that without the Universal church there would be no Christians now.

PAX

I would not call myself anything but an American; people love to divide. I was born here and I am a citizen of the state of Maryland. I am native to this country. You claim that I am not a native of this country; can you tell me where I am a native of? I know white people that were born in Africa and live here and they are more African-American than the black guy born in Baltimore.

I do not have contempt for my fellow man. If I did, I would not care about the bad roads people are on and I would just sit back and watch the destruction with much glee.

What do you call the "universal church"?

You want to slam me for what I have to say. I do not have anything against you. I stand by what I say.


Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com

I do not want to slam you for what you say, but point out your lack of understanding.

By calling yourself native American (which is technically true, I know) you are showing a lack of respect for the Aboriginal peoples of Nothe America and decieving others who would assume you meant aboriginal by saying native. I for one was thinking along those lines until I saw your picture. I'm sure that most who read your profile would make the same assumtion. That is a deception weather purposefull or not.

The church that you profess as evil the one that all of your propaganda is aimed at, the Catholic church. Catholic means universal.

It is through the Catholic church that Christianity was able to spread and flourish. It is the first, the original and the one that adhears most closely to its docturn. I am not Catholic, but I know to give respect when it's due.

PAX